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Coyotl

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103. I'm pro-public education

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 02:40 AM

Dec 2012

and I oppose public school fund diversions to private, for-profit or other private schools alike. If people wish to go to other schools instead of public schools, let them have their own schools in accordance with education standards. But make them fund their own schools too then, instead of talkiongh money from public institutions and often even converting a good percentage of it to personal pay plus personal profit, plus all your friend's and family businesses too. That's my deal! But that does not mean I want to step on other people's rights to create education institutions if they wish to.

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How Charter Schools Fleece Taxpayers: "the rule, not the exception" [View all] HiPointDem Dec 2012 OP

They get public money, they don't have to account for it. madfloridian Dec 2012 #1

Here's more of the beauty... TheBlackAdder Dec 2012 #2

It gets worse BlueStreak Dec 2012 #37

Virtual Schools - That's the biggest windfall. TheBlackAdder Dec 2012 #3

The only people held accountable are the public school teachers. madfloridian Dec 2012 #5

Absofuckiknglutely. No dollar left behind. Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2012 #106

I cannot condemn charter schools. RebelOne Dec 2012 #4

don't you wonder how it is that charter schools are allowed to get rid of such students while HiPointDem Dec 2012 #6

So true. TheBlackAdder Dec 2012 #12

Nationwide, in all the studies, charter schools average lower than public schools. Squinch Dec 2012 #67

The percentage of failing charter schools is surprising. Coyotl Dec 2012 #89

Charter schools don't have to keep misbehaving students. madfloridian Dec 2012 #7

"a ghetto atmosphere"??? proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #11

I picked up on that, too. knitter4democracy Dec 2012 #41

Those were my words and not my daughter's. RebelOne Dec 2012 #50

I work in schools like that. You know who goes to those schools? Kids. Just like your kids. Squinch Dec 2012 #64

Amen to that. madfloridian Dec 2012 #109

Charter schools should all be shut down. blackspade Dec 2012 #8

No, they can go on without public funding. Coyotl Dec 2012 #90

Like I said, they should be shut down. blackspade Dec 2012 #95

Private schools are just fine, profit is just fine Coyotl Dec 2012 #96

Private schools are not the same as for profit. blackspade Dec 2012 #97

Would you abolish all of them or just stop children from attending them? At what level? Coyotl Dec 2012 #98

What is your deal? blackspade Dec 2012 #101

I'm pro-public education Coyotl Dec 2012 #103

Then I have no Idea what you were arguing with me about. blackspade Dec 2012 #105

You are welcome Coyotl Dec 2012 #108

I thought that was the whole point Turbineguy Dec 2012 #9

Charters also don't have to pay their teachers according to pay scale. craigmatic Dec 2012 #10

The charter that tried to open by me was planning to offer poverty line wages. TheBlackAdder Dec 2012 #15

Well, my daughter in South Florida is earning s very good salary in a charter school. n/t RebelOne Dec 2012 #53

Is it as much as she'd be making in public school? craigmatic Dec 2012 #57

We have an excellent performing arts charter school antigop Dec 2012 #13

The per student money left the public school and went to the performing arts charter. madfloridian Dec 2012 #14

Many of the public programs get cut... TheBlackAdder Dec 2012 #17

Football rules here. Always has. Very few parents are advocates for the arts. antigop Dec 2012 #44

no, the money left the public school long before the charter. antigop Dec 2012 #18

um, no it didn't, as the poster is talking about the per-pupil funding. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #21

the money for the public school arts programs was cut long before the charter school went in. antigop Dec 2012 #22

Read up on the subject... I bet you've never talked to a School Board or State DoE person. TheBlackAdder Dec 2012 #25

I don't need to "read up on the subject" as I know what happened. And was involved. n/t antigop Dec 2012 #26

the money the poster is talking about is the per-pupil funding, which is the money that HiPointDem Dec 2012 #27

and the per-pupil dollars were NOT going into the arts programs in the public schools. antigop Dec 2012 #29

The per-pupil dollars were going to the public schools. They no longer are. If the state HiPointDem Dec 2012 #33

The VOTERS DON'T WANT THE ARTS PROGRAMS. They don't care. n/t antigop Dec 2012 #51

so you keep saying. but you won't talk about the specifics, like how it came about that HiPointDem Dec 2012 #66

My child doesn't go to the charter school. n/t antigop Dec 2012 #75

then i guess it has no students at all, since "VOTERS DON'T CARE ABOUT THE ARTS", only you. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #84

But they are paying for one anyway quaker bill Dec 2012 #91

and obtained per-pupil dollars for art programs quaker bill Dec 2012 #92

That is public money going to private companies to run unregulated schools. madfloridian Dec 2012 #43

and in this case it's the only option for students who want to pursue arts programs. antigop Dec 2012 #45

And if a student wants to take theater, dance, music classes, this is their only option. nt antigop Dec 2012 #62

yes, so you keep saying. but you won't address how that situation arose. and you seem HiPointDem Dec 2012 #69

How many times do I have to tell you--the parents with kids in the public schools don't care about antigop Dec 2012 #76

What are you talking about? blackspade Dec 2012 #102

States provide School Construction money for capital improvements. TheBlackAdder Dec 2012 #23

money is going into the sports programs (esp. football), not the arts. That's why the arts school antigop Dec 2012 #24

Then speak up at your next School Board meeting - rally the troops. TheBlackAdder Dec 2012 #28

um, what makes you think I didn't speak to the school board about cutting arts programs? antigop Dec 2012 #30

You didn't hear me... Discuss Regionalization. n/r TheBlackAdder Dec 2012 #31

and you didn't hear me. The charter school is already there. nt antigop Dec 2012 #32

And it's getting per-pupil funding which takes funding from the public schools, as the poster said HiPointDem Dec 2012 #34

and the charter school is already built-- it's not going anywhere. Performing arts requires special antigop Dec 2012 #47

So an art program at a charter and one in the publics are two different things. TheBlackAdder Dec 2012 #35

nope, you don't know the situation or the politics. Besides, I'm moving out of the district. n/t antigop Dec 2012 #46

The arts programs require special facilities that the voters in the public schools will not support. antigop Dec 2012 #48

The letter that primed the School Board for my presentation. TheBlackAdder Dec 2012 #39

FYI - They suspended talks about eliminating every program I defended. TheBlackAdder Dec 2012 #40

How many times do I have to tell you -- the charter school is built. It's not going anywhere. n/t antigop Dec 2012 #52

Thanks for taking the fight to them. madfloridian Dec 2012 #42

Who are the "They"? I've mentioned this numerous times but I'm not getting through.. The charter antigop Dec 2012 #55

The voters cut the arts program in their public schools but funded an art program in a charter HiPointDem Dec 2012 #71

"Loose its individuality"? I hope you didn't send that. n/t antigop Dec 2012 #60

I know, I wrote that freehand. I caught the mistake after hitting send. TheBlackAdder Dec 2012 #88

as mentioned below, the public schools don't have any problem building new football stadiums. antigop Dec 2012 #19

The per-pupil funding does not go to football stadiums. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #36

People in the school district vote for those stadiums and indoor training facilities. antigop Dec 2012 #49

Did the population vote to cut arts programs? I've never seen such a vote. I assume that HiPointDem Dec 2012 #54

The voters in the PUBLIC SCHOOLS DON'T CARE ABOUT THE ARTS. How many times do I have to tell you antigop Dec 2012 #56

yes, you're the only one. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #59

YOu seem to have a hard time grasping that the PEOPLE DON'T CARE ABOUT THE ARTS. n/t antigop Dec 2012 #58

The school district cut theater, dance, and music classes. n/t antigop Dec 2012 #61

Did the people vote on the cuts? You imply that they did. And did they then vote to fund HiPointDem Dec 2012 #63

The people elect the school board. The people vote for funding sports facilities. n/t antigop Dec 2012 #68

so you're saying the school board decided to shut down arts programs in the public schools? HiPointDem Dec 2012 #74

How many times do I have to tell you-- the PEOPLE DON'T CARE ABOUT THE ARTS! n/t antigop Dec 2012 #70

AND HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO ASK, DID THEY VOTE TO SHUT DOWN THE PUBLIC HiPointDem Dec 2012 #72

Why are you so averse to understanding? Look, I don't have any more time for this. I'm DONE. n/t antigop Dec 2012 #77

averse to understanding *what*? all you've done is repeat "the voters don't care" over & over. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #81

There are also excellent public schools. The existence of excellent charter schools is irrelevant HiPointDem Dec 2012 #16

Accurate post. TheBlackAdder Dec 2012 #20

As I have stated numerous times...the only way students can get music, dance, and theater classes is antigop Dec 2012 #65

and as i have asked many times, how is it that there's money enough to fund these things HiPointDem Dec 2012 #73

What part of -- THE CHARTER SCHOOL EXISTS AND IT ISN'T GOING AWAY -- don't you antigop Dec 2012 #78

lol. you don't want to answer the questions. 'the charter school exists' -- yes, plopped HiPointDem Dec 2012 #83

I'm not sure what the disconnect is here, but let me see if I can explain this question. patrice Dec 2012 #104

since you obviously don't understand -- I'M DONE with this... I have no time to try to make you antigop Dec 2012 #79

no, you have no DESIRE to answer the questions, as they'd spoil your narrative about HiPointDem Dec 2012 #80

One more post...I answered upthread. GO READ IT! n/t antigop Dec 2012 #85

WHERE? Link the post at least. I've answered every post you've addressed to me to my knowledge. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #86

Which is completely irrelevant. The fact that there might (in your opinion) be a good Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #93

Du rec. Nt xchrom Dec 2012 #38

It's all about destroying the teachers union, that is their goal. Odin2005 Dec 2012 #82

And stealing taxpayer money. Don't forget that part. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #94

Union busting profiteers do more than harm children by diverting money to pockets Coyotl Dec 2012 #87

"How charter schools harm public education" is the real issue. Coyotl Dec 2012 #99

Yes, exactly. Our nation is using fed money to defund public education. madfloridian Dec 2012 #100

for people who are convinced the public schools are failing, the fact that charter schools HiPointDem Dec 2012 #107