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pangaia

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34. I agree.
Sun Dec 2, 2012, 01:56 PM
Dec 2012

I don't think the 'union' could have survived either.
The balance between the 'agrarian' and the' industrial', if I can put it so simply..

I am certainly no expert, but Lincoln was, as I understand it, between a rock and a hard place. And once the fighting started there was always the possibility that if the British felt the CSA actually had a chance of winning, which I still think they certainly did, they would support them...cotton, etc. And Davis and Lee knew it.

And I think it came close as Lincoln ran through so many mediocre Generals-
McClellan, Burnside, Hooker, even Meade. (Whom did I leave out?) Even though Gettysburg was the beginning of the end for the South, it wasn't until Lincoln finally got to Grant that it was a done deal.
So, yes if any war is necessary, I would say that was one.

Same reason we still remember Homer's Odysseus, but forget the Peloponesian wars destroyed Greece leveymg Dec 2012 #1
Wish you would elaborate on this a bit. Homer was\is a great poet and the coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #14
"History is written by the winners." That includes Thucydides and Herodotus "factual" accounts, as leveymg Dec 2012 #17
It's been quite awhile since I read Homer, Herodotus or Thucydides and I may have coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #18
+10000000 redqueen Dec 2012 #19
Uhhh, It's not Just the "Media" doing this; Iggy Dec 2012 #2
Rule # 1 tech3149 Dec 2012 #4
Yep. These changes have to come from the bottom up. redqueen Dec 2012 #20
Yup. 2naSalit Dec 2012 #33
Rule #2: Iggy Dec 2012 #37
Betray-us "succeeded" in putting Iraq largely within Iran's coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #15
Iraq is within Iran's sphere because the majority of the population is Shi'ia. When Bush overthrew leveymg Dec 2012 #21
I agree with you on one level (hence my comment that "perhaps that's as it coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #23
The US armed both sides against each other, and have successively destroyed each. The timeline is leveymg Dec 2012 #26
Well, the jury is still out on Iran. Last time I checked it had 1,000,000+ soldiers in its coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #27
There are nightmare scenarios other than a direct invasion of Iran to worry about. leveymg Dec 2012 #29
lipstick on a pig SHRED Dec 2012 #3
They have created a cult of heroes. zeemike Dec 2012 #5
Dulce et decorum est.... WinkyDink Dec 2012 #13
I did not know that poem. zeemike Dec 2012 #38
Our civilian president is supposed to be the commander in JDPriestly Dec 2012 #6
Holdover from the old days treestar Dec 2012 #7
" Now we are not always so certain that a war is really for our defense." pangaia Dec 2012 #8
WW II Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #9
Right I agree.. pangaia Dec 2012 #16
The second was really the first, Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #24
Good one. :>) pangaia Dec 2012 #28
I think what is too often Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #31
I agree. pangaia Dec 2012 #34
But he did finally get to Grant... Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #36
Still working in some quarters for Powell, too. I guess Custer just had lousy P.R. WinkyDink Dec 2012 #10
He was a long-haired Hippie Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #32
"That blue eyed criminal fuck had it coming" Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #40
Not only their wars, their own personal fuck-ups: Poppy BUSH; Mc5planes; Shrub; Colon POWELL n/t UTUSN Dec 2012 #11
They think we still need father figures, or maybe it's them that like's father figures. nt bemildred Dec 2012 #12
The reaction to The Wizard Dec 2012 #22
Umm. That's why they need to! n/t Coyotl Dec 2012 #25
I wanna kill ... GeorgeGist Dec 2012 #30
No mystery. Media owners profit from MIC contracts and mentality. freshwest Dec 2012 #35
Robert E. Lee Syndrome Tom Ripley Dec 2012 #39
According to American mythology, everyone in the military is automatically a hero. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #41
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