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coalition_unwilling

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23. I agree with you on one level (hence my comment that "perhaps that's as it
Sun Dec 2, 2012, 12:17 PM
Dec 2012

should be&quot . But do remember that one reason the U.S. backed Saddam Hussein so long (going back to at least the 80s and even earlier) was to use him and Iraq as a buffer against the spread of Iranian influence into the oil fields of Saudi Arabia and the Gulf emirates.

Thus, even while Reagan traded arms for hostages with Iran, he was also arming and abetting Iraq during the Iraq-Iran war.

As for Betray-us, he and his cohort bribed the Sunni resistance to the occupation to 'stand down' and cooperate with the CPA. We will never know what the outcome would have been, had the Sunni resistance continued, although I suspect it would probably have ended up much as your post suggests (Kurdish North, Sunni Center, Shia South). But Betray-us' efforts smoothed out the consolidation of Iranian influence in the organs of Iraqi governance, its parliament and executive.

That said, Iranian control of Iraq was NEVER a policy goal, stated or otherwise, that I'm aware of. Hence my "Pyrrhic victory" comment.

Same reason we still remember Homer's Odysseus, but forget the Peloponesian wars destroyed Greece leveymg Dec 2012 #1
Wish you would elaborate on this a bit. Homer was\is a great poet and the coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #14
"History is written by the winners." That includes Thucydides and Herodotus "factual" accounts, as leveymg Dec 2012 #17
It's been quite awhile since I read Homer, Herodotus or Thucydides and I may have coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #18
+10000000 redqueen Dec 2012 #19
Uhhh, It's not Just the "Media" doing this; Iggy Dec 2012 #2
Rule # 1 tech3149 Dec 2012 #4
Yep. These changes have to come from the bottom up. redqueen Dec 2012 #20
Yup. 2naSalit Dec 2012 #33
Rule #2: Iggy Dec 2012 #37
Betray-us "succeeded" in putting Iraq largely within Iran's coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #15
Iraq is within Iran's sphere because the majority of the population is Shi'ia. When Bush overthrew leveymg Dec 2012 #21
I agree with you on one level (hence my comment that "perhaps that's as it coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #23
The US armed both sides against each other, and have successively destroyed each. The timeline is leveymg Dec 2012 #26
Well, the jury is still out on Iran. Last time I checked it had 1,000,000+ soldiers in its coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #27
There are nightmare scenarios other than a direct invasion of Iran to worry about. leveymg Dec 2012 #29
lipstick on a pig SHRED Dec 2012 #3
They have created a cult of heroes. zeemike Dec 2012 #5
Dulce et decorum est.... WinkyDink Dec 2012 #13
I did not know that poem. zeemike Dec 2012 #38
Our civilian president is supposed to be the commander in JDPriestly Dec 2012 #6
Holdover from the old days treestar Dec 2012 #7
" Now we are not always so certain that a war is really for our defense." pangaia Dec 2012 #8
WW II Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #9
Right I agree.. pangaia Dec 2012 #16
The second was really the first, Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #24
Good one. :>) pangaia Dec 2012 #28
I think what is too often Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #31
I agree. pangaia Dec 2012 #34
But he did finally get to Grant... Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #36
Still working in some quarters for Powell, too. I guess Custer just had lousy P.R. WinkyDink Dec 2012 #10
He was a long-haired Hippie Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #32
"That blue eyed criminal fuck had it coming" Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #40
Not only their wars, their own personal fuck-ups: Poppy BUSH; Mc5planes; Shrub; Colon POWELL n/t UTUSN Dec 2012 #11
They think we still need father figures, or maybe it's them that like's father figures. nt bemildred Dec 2012 #12
The reaction to The Wizard Dec 2012 #22
Umm. That's why they need to! n/t Coyotl Dec 2012 #25
I wanna kill ... GeorgeGist Dec 2012 #30
No mystery. Media owners profit from MIC contracts and mentality. freshwest Dec 2012 #35
Robert E. Lee Syndrome Tom Ripley Dec 2012 #39
According to American mythology, everyone in the military is automatically a hero. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #41
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