General Discussion

TheKentuckian

(25,020 posts)

140. Branding. Anyone voting TeaPubliKlan currently is not going to vote Democrat

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 09:52 AM

Dec 2012

based on policy, if it was true they'd be Obama voters. What has he done that an actual "moderate Republican" would be offended by? Bringing back Poppy Bush's. Cap and trade, GingrichCare, keeping up the drug war, being tough militarily, the coddling of the predator class, or the Republican and DINO nominations?

What are they going to do to capture those votes? Go anti-choice? Anti-immigrant? Endorse theocracy? Funnel wealth to the top as well as TeaPubliKlans? Start more wars? Hamstring the government with more debt than the opposition?

There is no unlimited license to go right from most people in this party, at some point you loose more than can be captured and at some point there is fool's gold why did all these people become Democrats if Republican was just as good?

If all these "moderates" (moderate on what we don't know,-Revolution era garb, bearing small arms at political events, bigoted signs, and spelling, I reckon) then how is it the reactionaries run the show and what policy differences do they have.
I'm well aware that some right wingers hate the radical right Tea Party types but it isn't policy driven but rather powered by the fact that know nothing blow hards are embarrassing them and are too serious about their social issues to get out of their own way in gaffling the money and avoiding taxes.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

156 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Would a progressive third Party help the Democrats more than the Republicans? [View all] kentuck Nov 2012 OP

our system- electoral college wilt the stilt Nov 2012 #1

As close as the two parties are in the Senate and the House... kentuck Nov 2012 #4

In Vermont we actually do have a Progressive 3rd Party- The Progressive Party cali Nov 2012 #57

+1 graham4anything Nov 2012 #11

More Democrats voted for Bush than voted for Nader. kentuck Nov 2012 #82

Yes, of course. Votes for Bush in 2000 caused Al Gore to not be seated. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #151

Fuck third parties. Look what happened when the Repukes allowed the Teanutters to take over. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #2

Are you saying "Teanutters" are not Republicans?? kentuck Nov 2012 #6

Extreme Republicans. I despise extremists and zealots, no matter what their political stripe. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #8

Are you saying progressives are "extremists"?? kentuck Nov 2012 #10

Before Pres. Obama, I didn't think I could despise "SOME" liberals as much as I do. But it is..... Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #13

Is it even remotely possible, in your mind, for the Democratic Party to change in such a way...? kentuck Nov 2012 #20

I don't think nuttery should be encouraged. We're all living with the effects of that. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #46

I'm right there with you Politicub Nov 2012 #28

Tarheel tama Nov 2012 #129

Tell it to Jill Stein, or as I like to call her Ms. 0.03%. Your insults are as ineffective as a.... Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #134

Sorry, didn't mean to insult tama Dec 2012 #136

Forgive me, but I expect absolutely nothing of you! Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #137

Thanks tama Dec 2012 #138

Which is why the Democratic Party is still viable Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #36

I don't think the Republican Party is in any danger of becoming "obsolete" Art_from_Ark Dec 2012 #147

Okay... Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #148

There will always be a lot of support for the "other side", I'm afraid Art_from_Ark Dec 2012 #149

Parties evolve or die... Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #156

thems fightin woids! dionysus Nov 2012 #111

Hey dion! You wanna fight? At least you're not showing me scary pics today. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #116

currently we have the xtreme right wing repubs, center-right dems. might be room for liberals nt msongs Nov 2012 #3

First YES, because we're more inclusive and they're exclusive orpupilofnature57 Nov 2012 #5

So in effect, we could elect a President with only 34% of the vote? JaneyVee Nov 2012 #7

I think third and fourth parties are more likely and more likely to be helpful Blasphemer Nov 2012 #9

Great minds and all....... socialist_n_TN Nov 2012 #18

There are NO COALITIONS in the U.S. DevonRex Nov 2012 #12

Thank You! Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #15

Coalition used to mean a body of people Asked to Temporarily orpupilofnature57 Nov 2012 #16

Thanks. We do not have a parliamentary system of government ... Hekate Nov 2012 #30

We already have a "progressive" Third Party NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #14

Another excellent point. In all honesty, I think today's Green Party is a front organization for... Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #17

Nancy Pelosi is a shill for the GLOP . orpupilofnature57 Nov 2012 #37

Seriously? NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #48

Hint " Not on the Table " that was the last shot to expose ShrubCo orpupilofnature57 Nov 2012 #72

What we need is reform of the system so that non-corporate voices can run and be heard. woo me with science Nov 2012 #19

+1 Le Taz Hot Nov 2012 #70

There are virtually no progressive republicans Spike89 Nov 2012 #21

in unusual circumstances like in the state of Vermont or the city of San Francisco where the Douglas Carpenter Nov 2012 #22

If they believe as the Democrats believe, or pretend to believe?? kentuck Nov 2012 #23

2000. Ralph Nader directly caused Al Gore to not be seated. NEW HAMPSHIRE NH NH graham4anything Nov 2012 #27

The lesson I derived from 2000 is that our votes really don't matter, as the SCOTUS coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #59

WRONG. THAT WAS AFTER NADER CAUSED BUSH TO WIN NH graham4anything Nov 2012 #65

That is a monumentally ignorant Le Taz Hot Nov 2012 #71

As Bing Crosby says, everybody has an angle, and so do you. graham4anything Nov 2012 #74

"Your blind loyalty to Ralph the traitor Nader . . ." Le Taz Hot Nov 2012 #75

I note now four other people have agreed that Nader directly caused Gore to not be seated. graham4anything Nov 2012 #76

That is the Big Lie... kentuck Nov 2012 #83

no, the first step comes before the final step. You'all keep missing that thingydingy. Without Nader graham4anything Nov 2012 #87

While those of us in Blue Hampshire appreciate a newblewtoo Nov 2012 #113

except that Tennessee is hard red state, while NH loves the environment, Gores #1 issue graham4anything Nov 2012 #115

It is a fact that a major progressive third Party would cause the election of a Republican President Douglas Carpenter Nov 2012 #35

Not necessarily. A Third party candidate helped Clinton quite a bit. TheKentuckian Nov 2012 #49

if we are talking about a right-wing populist candidate - of course that would benefit the Democrats Douglas Carpenter Nov 2012 #51

The SCOTUS stopped the ballots from being counted. Had they been counted, Gore coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #60

because YOU are looking after the election itself. A month later. Nader won it for Bush in NH graham4anything Nov 2012 #66

I can find him. union_maid Nov 2012 #68

Nader received 97,488 in Florida in 2000.According to the official Bush tally they won by 537 votes Douglas Carpenter Nov 2012 #69

And how many "conservative" Democrats voted for Bush? kentuck Nov 2012 #84

NH NH NH NH NH NH NH NH NH NH NHNHNHNHNHNHNHNHNHNHNHNHNHNHNHNHNHNHNH graham4anything Nov 2012 #88

TN TN TN TN TN kentuck Nov 2012 #90

So you blame Gore for losing blood-red TN jeff47 Nov 2012 #108

Gore received more votes in Florida than did Bush, even when Nader is coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #92

Two of those parties you mentioned were destroyed by the government FYI. Puregonzo1188 Nov 2012 #39

that's besides the point. The Leftist Parties in fascist controlled Europe were executed, jailed Douglas Carpenter Nov 2012 #41

It depends on who is funding, and who gets an governorship DonCoquixote Nov 2012 #24

Ventura was helped by two bland major party candidates LTR Nov 2012 #133

I think it depends ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #25

No. Next question. Politicub Nov 2012 #26

Um, 1 in 5 American children currently lives in poverty. Still think the Dems are looking coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #61

Yes I do. You keep throwing out red herrings. If we could do it, dems would Politicub Nov 2012 #81

1 out of 5 children living in poverty is a "red herring"? OK, if you say so. - n/t coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #89

Whatever, dude. Politicub Nov 2012 #103

I'm a strong believer in third parties liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #29

Because the Greens helped us so much in 2000. Yeah!!!!! Hekate Nov 2012 #31

Actually, channeling my inner rat-fucking Karl Rove, I might just do that. It would coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #62

DEMOCRATICunderground NNN0LHI Nov 2012 #32

Because juries allow their third party crap stand n/t RomneyLies Nov 2012 #38

Yup... SidDithers Nov 2012 #40

I think this simple fact escapes many of us. They are openly trying to co-opt Skinner's brainchild. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #117

A left leaning third party is a Republican wet dream RomneyLies Nov 2012 #33

No quaker bill Nov 2012 #34

Yes. Chan790 Nov 2012 #42

A Third Party Always Hurts The Party Closest To It/nt DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2012 #43

Neither. But, it would help the country. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2012 #44

It will hurt democrats, end of fucking statemen!!!. nt bluestate10 Nov 2012 #45

How so? kentuck Nov 2012 #47

Because we don't have a parliamentary system. pnwmom Nov 2012 #50

Um Gore actually received more Florida votes than Bush, but the SCOTUS refused to coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #64

That would have been a moot point if Nader hadn't drained away another 95,000 votes. pnwmom Nov 2012 #97

That assumes that the people who voted for Nader would still have bothered to vote and coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #98

Gore only needed less than 10% of them. jeff47 Nov 2012 #104

Or they could go to one Party or the other? kentuck Nov 2012 #85

I would love if there was a Social-Democratic Party that could vie for power. But here in America Douglas Carpenter Nov 2012 #52

At which point, if they want to ever win anything again they will have to recapture the left. TheKentuckian Nov 2012 #80

Why? It would be far easier to take over the right. jeff47 Nov 2012 #106

Branding. Anyone voting TeaPubliKlan currently is not going to vote Democrat TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #140

Go read that again. jeff47 Dec 2012 #142

So be it. Against my council but the movers and shakers will do what they will TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #145

I am a Moderate. But I am ok with Progressives holding office, even at higher levels than bluestate10 Nov 2012 #122

Ask a Canadian. moondust Nov 2012 #53

Ask the Israelis. Coalition building w/ multiple parties allows the Ultra-Orthodox .... Hekate Nov 2012 #54

It would DEFINITELY help the repugs... BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #55

No. It's a dumb idea. Think about it. MjolnirTime Nov 2012 #56

What would really help with that would be electoral reform Ken Burch Nov 2012 #58

I find it amazing that you call yourself one of the most Progressive on DU, yet you don't see that bluestate10 Nov 2012 #123

I also proposed removing the 435 seat size limit on the U.S. House, which would correct the problem Ken Burch Nov 2012 #126

No union_maid Nov 2012 #63

No. Starry Messenger Nov 2012 #67

Nader gave us eight years of Bush michigandem58 Nov 2012 #73

*sigh* IDoMath Nov 2012 #79

His running cost the election michigandem58 Nov 2012 #94

So how did he cost Kerry the election? IDoMath Nov 2012 #95

Because it's much harder to unseat an incumbent, especially when they're fighting jeff47 Nov 2012 #107

nt bluestate10 Nov 2012 #125

according to some nothing is ever wrong with the dem message liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #102

Sound very conservative to me. Even dogmatic or fundamentalist. n/t IDoMath Nov 2012 #114

There often is a lot wrong with the democrat's message, but at some point people make bluestate10 Nov 2012 #127

Nader took 97,000 votes in FL. If Gore got 1% of those, he would have been President. bluestate10 Nov 2012 #124

And Pat Buchanan insists many of his 17,000 votes should have gone to Gore... IDoMath Dec 2012 #139

It depends on the goal. LWolf Nov 2012 #77

Ask me that question after they cut Social Security & Medicare. Ganja Ninja Nov 2012 #78

A message to all the purists: kentuck Nov 2012 #86

+ a million quinnox Nov 2012 #91

Hogwash Ganja Ninja Nov 2012 #99

I think you misread my post? kentuck Nov 2012 #118

Yeah I guess I did. Ganja Ninja Nov 2012 #119

Something to counter the Bags of Tea PoliticalBiker Nov 2012 #93

Third-Party Underground is somewhere else...nt SidDithers Nov 2012 #96

. RomneyLies Nov 2012 #101

Seems to me that influencing through "intra-party" would have more results than the entire US libdem4life Nov 2012 #100

Yes, in that it would cause the Democratic party to replace the Republican party. jeff47 Nov 2012 #105

How many third parties do you need FFS? DevonRex Nov 2012 #109

as many as it takes to make those damned demmy-crats lose! dionysus Nov 2012 #120

Hey you!! DevonRex Nov 2012 #121

The problem is that the Third Parties are so far Left or far right that they don't appeal to bluestate10 Nov 2012 #131

"Centrists" really would prefer it if we would just "go with the flow" and allow the Romulox Nov 2012 #110

I feel you are wrong. The country is drifting to the Left, not the right. bluestate10 Nov 2012 #132

A Third Party on the Left Would Hand the Senate to the Rapeuglicans AndyTiedye Nov 2012 #112

Kentuck, I have a question for you and others from the far Left. You have to look back to answer. bluestate10 Nov 2012 #128

After Bush? kentuck Dec 2012 #135

I'm not really sure how post politics Gore can be counted as one and the same as the guy in the frey TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #141

To give international perspective tama Nov 2012 #130

Curiousity question for those who claim Nader caused Gore to lose...... socialist_n_TN Dec 2012 #143

That's a good question. kentuck Dec 2012 #150

Or, the Democratic Party could move left and negate the need for a third party. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2012 #144

No Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2012 #146

A shiny dishonest distraction. Doesn't fundamentally change the system. Just a power grab patrice Dec 2012 #152

Make that a shiny dishonest distraction by those who don't give a fuck who they hurt in order patrice Dec 2012 #153

A progressive third party would help everybody. hay rick Dec 2012 #154

better solution: progressive takeover of the Democrats 0rganism Dec 2012 #155