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roguevalley

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209. I remember a fucking JUDGE in Ohio or some place back in the midwest told a FIVE
Sun Dec 2, 2012, 03:26 AM
Dec 2012

YEAR OLD GIRL that she was raped because she DRESSED PROVOCATIVELY!

I still have nightmares over that fucker.

Wordiest rape apology OP evah! n/t leftstreet Nov 2012 #1
I said I was a lawyer... Whiskeytide Nov 2012 #3
what kind of client did you defend? Whisp Nov 2012 #7
Was? morningfog Nov 2012 #111
You said a lot of things. Iggo Dec 2012 #165
Yep. This is getting beyond bizarre. n/t demmiblue Nov 2012 #12
It is amazing how much time and energy is devoted to it. nt redqueen Nov 2012 #23
+1000. nt Mojorabbit Nov 2012 #85
just so you are aware, I know what you are doing. Whisp Nov 2012 #2
What is it about 400-500 post users coming out of the wood-work all of a sudden? LAGC Nov 2012 #5
It's an attempt to delegitimize the issue... YoungDemCA Nov 2012 #8
+1 redqueen Nov 2012 #24
+2 Squinch Nov 2012 #33
You bet it is. Talk about projection. WCLinolVir Dec 2012 #127
I thought it was creepy... CoffeeCat Dec 2012 #156
We're coming up on winter break. Starry Messenger Nov 2012 #15
Misogynist trolls working together to try to weaken women's progress kestrel91316 Nov 2012 #32
yup. and the fucker has so little respect for women, women that have been raped, he seabeyond Nov 2012 #34
It was a weird OP, to say the least! n/t RKP5637 Nov 2012 #77
a man feeling belittled so many men and women standing up for rape victims. he is doing his jab seabeyond Nov 2012 #78
Any form of coercion crosses the line YoungDemCA Nov 2012 #4
I like your use of the term coercion... Whiskeytide Nov 2012 #6
But he did raise one issue that I've wondered about, too. pnwmom Dec 2012 #211
Well. FightForMichigan Nov 2012 #9
That was good arely staircase Nov 2012 #20
Thank you so much for taking the time to write such a thoughtful, LisaLynne Nov 2012 #49
Thank you for this excellent and thorough response! n/t Ms. Toad Nov 2012 #83
That was great. Luminous Animal Dec 2012 #125
Great comments. lunatica Dec 2012 #185
ugh. another clueless man. cali Nov 2012 #10
He's not clueless. He's wilfully obtuse, and a raging sexist pig IMHO. kestrel91316 Nov 2012 #35
he is smeering the offensiveness of rape in victims face. this person needs to delete or seabeyond Nov 2012 #37
I'd bet serious money that they are sockpuppets of the same RL person, and that that person kestrel91316 Nov 2012 #45
they are probably pissed off men because some sexist got TOS. or a sock or whatever seabeyond Nov 2012 #54
I thought the same. Squinch Nov 2012 #55
You would lose the bet on all counts. Whiskeytide Nov 2012 #90
well, golly gee, been talking about education for a good 24 hours without it sounding like seabeyond Nov 2012 #95
Rape apologists are always mysogynists. By definition. kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #190
He goes on at length to "validate" a "grey area". Perp talk. WCLinolVir Dec 2012 #132
Sounds exactly like the NAMBLA crowd trying to justify pedophilia. kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #191
OK, let me demolish some of your points DonCoquixote Nov 2012 #11
Japan does not have " one of the LOWEST sufrommich Nov 2012 #19
THANK YOU! nt redqueen Nov 2012 #30
Ummm, yes it does. Statistics prove it. Bonobo Dec 2012 #232
Enough with this idea that boys need to be told rape is wrong Dokkie Dec 2012 #134
The ONLY acceptable sex is adult consensual sex. Period. lunatica Nov 2012 #13
I think that *anyone* who tries to if-and-or-but your statement is either LanternWaste Nov 2012 #21
I agree with that as a gold standard. Whiskeytide Nov 2012 #88
seriously? you have kids. you have yet to find a way to clealy teach you children the proper seabeyond Nov 2012 #99
that being said, I am ASTONISHED that so many "adults" cannot decipher such simple moral issues. alp227 Nov 2012 #101
What is the difference between... Lightbulb_on Nov 2012 #27
The difference is clear. One changes one's OWN mind... redqueen Nov 2012 #38
How come you didn't weigh in on my OP? Fumesucker Nov 2012 #50
if rape was more common among men than it already was, we would not have these roguevalley Dec 2012 #200
Seriously. Jesus fuck. No means no and if you have to ask, then ASK. Shibby2002 Jan 2013 #235
Cheap, disingenuous argument Shibby2002 Jan 2013 #234
Lol.....yep. cliffordu Nov 2012 #86
Is that different than coercion? cliffordu Nov 2012 #93
what about it? nt seabeyond Nov 2012 #96
Fucking sick. Sick and idiotic. redqueen Nov 2012 #103
So I guess Zombie Woof is all out of the question, then...... cliffordu Dec 2012 #154
With that definition you've made many more women rapists mathematic Dec 2012 #155
What a surprise to see you stating this obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #44
I'm sorry... Lightbulb_on Nov 2012 #48
Common sense and its application in any given situation, I would think. LanternWaste Nov 2012 #64
Common sense isn't as common as I would like... Lightbulb_on Nov 2012 #68
It's never failed me in these types of situations. LanternWaste Nov 2012 #84
They imply... I infer... Lightbulb_on Nov 2012 #94
One *does not* equal the other. nomorenomore08 Dec 2012 #160
It can't be "codified into law" necessarily. nomorenomore08 Dec 2012 #158
When a girl gives into a petulant boy because he has worn her down lunatica Dec 2012 #186
Where does prostitution fit into this? dkf Dec 2012 #229
You answer that question for yourself lunatica Dec 2012 #230
I agree with your statement. There is no wiggle room here to me. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #60
And if both were conscious but drunk, and not capable of giving consent, pnwmom Dec 2012 #212
Does the word consensual confuse you? lunatica Dec 2012 #223
Yes, I guess it does. I've told my sons that if a woman is drunk, she can't give consent. Period. pnwmom Dec 2012 #224
So... it's not rape if you coerced her by being utterly and insanely relentless? Chorophyll Nov 2012 #14
Our culture is deeply sick when it comes to sex/power/rape, IMO. closeupready Nov 2012 #16
And imagine if gay, when young someone tried to drag me out of a bar once. I'm not RKP5637 Nov 2012 #79
I can indeed imagine, though it never happened to me. closeupready Dec 2012 #135
If a gay man asks you for sex, and you say no...then what? (nt) The Straight Story Nov 2012 #17
Then he (the gay man) should probably stop asking. Same goes for heterosexuals. nomorenomore08 Dec 2012 #161
The rape fantasy. lightcameron Nov 2012 #18
People also read about war and cannibalism and murder, but seldom aspire to do it. nolabear Nov 2012 #39
Right, because it's fantasy. LisaLynne Nov 2012 #52
Women do not fantasize about getting raped -- ever obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #120
Um, yes, some do. LisaLynne Dec 2012 #124
Um no, they don't obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #128
Did you look at the links? nt LisaLynne Dec 2012 #131
Uh, is it really rape if you are in control of the fantasy? WCLinolVir Dec 2012 #129
Um that was my point. nt. LisaLynne Dec 2012 #130
but, that is really a very good point and interesting. i like how obama did that. seabeyond Dec 2012 #133
Sorry -- misread your post! LisaLynne Dec 2012 #137
yes. but this is thinking outside the box. seabeyond Dec 2012 #138
Yes, me too LisaLynne Dec 2012 #140
excellent. a fun part of the thread seabeyond Dec 2012 #142
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Dec 2012 #179
Do people at a Murder Mystery Party want to be murdered? obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #167
except only when and where they want to... AND how. seabeyond Dec 2012 #170
I thought that was an interesing comment obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #173
yup. and it also put a different slant on the bdsm seabeyond Dec 2012 #174
right! obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #175
I used to date a girl that was into it. Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #213
I suspect your experience is the norm obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #219
well. If women want to be raped as so many imply, then men must want to as well. roguevalley Dec 2012 #201
sorry...to say. some do. alphafemale Dec 2012 #164
No, they do not, no matter how many posters say they do obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #168
You call taken a term alphafemale Dec 2012 #171
That obviously isn't my term obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #172
that would have been in the 70's and 80's known as the bodice ripper. but, then, if you look at the seabeyond Dec 2012 #169
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: L0oniX Nov 2012 #61
At the thrift store I work at I would say about half of the romance novels we have... Odin2005 Dec 2012 #147
This is some sick shit. redqueen Nov 2012 #22
what is your intent for excusing, validating, justifying rape? nt seabeyond Nov 2012 #25
please be man enough to self delete your post. from the title on, it is offensive. seabeyond Nov 2012 #26
Can you believe this shit is still being spewed forth? Rex Nov 2012 #29
fuckin start, all this talk about rape..... that is fuckin sick. and clear what a perverts seabeyond Nov 2012 #31
This is the first I've seen people try and defend Rex Nov 2012 #40
Oh? redqueen Nov 2012 #43
There isn't anything in this OP We haven't seen on DU before bettyellen Nov 2012 #74
the title is the creep all of any title i have seen. says a hell of a lot about the poster, seabeyond Nov 2012 #76
Interesting. The title doesn't bother me but I do think bettyellen Nov 2012 #82
true that seabeyond Nov 2012 #87
I'm hugely offended that jurors are leaving these vile posts TorchTheWitch Dec 2012 #148
I'm sorry I can't pretend there was anything new or special in that post bettyellen Dec 2012 #150
on another post someone made some remark about taking back this shit and making roguevalley Dec 2012 #202
bigotry in all forms is a TOS violation TorchTheWitch Dec 2012 #144
I read that Skinner was alerted on the rapist confession and let it stand. bettyellen Dec 2012 #153
The post I am referring to is the one you decided not to read. Rex Dec 2012 #188
Yep. My thoughts exactly. Squinch Nov 2012 #41
so fuckin in your face, if you are a rape victim, the pig slaps you up across the head seabeyond Nov 2012 #42
Worse than smacking you across the head, he is saying, "was it really rape?" Squinch Nov 2012 #51
cowards. all of them. and so much to play with the OP to offend all. but, wtf.... nt seabeyond Nov 2012 #58
men don't have to face this threat all the time. They don't have to think about their roguevalley Dec 2012 #203
Agreed! hrmjustin Nov 2012 #62
It is beyond mercuryblues Nov 2012 #46
and lets pity their sons. because people with these attitudes have a fucked up life. and that is seabeyond Nov 2012 #67
Actually mercuryblues Nov 2012 #69
yup. image these men as parents that cannot tell the difference between rape, and not rape. sad seabeyond Nov 2012 #70
There is so much failsauce in this OP. that I won't be Rex Nov 2012 #28
No, they don't. LisaLynne Nov 2012 #53
Serious question, and I want a serious answer. What if it was happening to you? nolabear Nov 2012 #36
Great questions Tsiyu Nov 2012 #47
Special Snowflakes indeed Tree-Hugger Nov 2012 #59
Thanks Tree-Hugger Tsiyu Nov 2012 #63
Lack of consent is not consent. Coercion to force sex is rape. Rape is fucking rape. STOP. rDigital Nov 2012 #56
Tell you what, why don't you ask Dan Savage what he would thinks graham4anything Nov 2012 #57
Looks like a hit and run poster. What exactly is "all this talk about rape".... boston bean Nov 2012 #65
Is this the only way you can get any DevonRex Nov 2012 #66
well played. FightForMichigan Nov 2012 #81
Thank you. I think it was a well-deserved volley. Nt DevonRex Nov 2012 #102
What a dipshit! UtahLib Dec 2012 #146
Yup. DevonRex Dec 2012 #149
In court, in support of child victims, I've heard defense attorneys raise some of these points. JohnnyLib2 Nov 2012 #71
Gack. Solly Mack Nov 2012 #72
yup. cowards that dont know rape. seems like the picture was right on. nt seabeyond Nov 2012 #73
Evidently, more than just 14, 15, 16 and 17 year old children are confused NoGOPZone Nov 2012 #75
Trashing. I don't need to read yet another post on this subject. nt. OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #80
all the men and OP that dont get rape. here, read. "Meet the Predators" seabeyond Nov 2012 #89
That's a creepy post. You've just described MineralMan Nov 2012 #91
This is basically necrophilia porn. Starry Messenger Nov 2012 #92
i am so glad that people are feeling the same thing from the post that i was. seabeyond Nov 2012 #97
It's over their heads. RegieRocker Nov 2012 #98
ahhh, just us silly women being all emotional. uh hu. thanks guy for telling us silly women seabeyond Nov 2012 #100
No, she DOESN'T have to say jack SHIT. redqueen Nov 2012 #104
Give RegieRocker a break. He doesn't even understand climate change. morningfog Nov 2012 #109
Oh... redqueen Nov 2012 #112
lol obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #122
I understand fully well RegieRocker Dec 2012 #178
That doesn't sound agnostic at all. morningfog Dec 2012 #189
Not proven either way is an RegieRocker Dec 2012 #192
Regie booby, I live in alaska. You are wrong. Truly, get over yourself. roguevalley Dec 2012 #204
LOL you really don't remember RegieRocker Dec 2012 #217
what a sad pile of piffle honey. truly. you are part of the mind roguevalley Dec 2012 #221
When in doubt, *ask*! Seriously! It doesn't harm anyone! nomorenomore08 Dec 2012 #163
Yea right RegieRocker Dec 2012 #193
Doesn't have to be in so many words. "Is this okay?" probably suffices. nomorenomore08 Dec 2012 #195
Oh no I am not the one RegieRocker Dec 2012 #198
At least your heart's seemingly in the right place. nomorenomore08 Dec 2012 #199
It goes something like this... Shibby2002 Jan 2013 #236
That is total B.S. RegieRocker Dec 2012 #177
If one person says "stop" and the other person doesn't stop MadrasT Dec 2012 #194
The law RegieRocker Dec 2012 #197
I am assuming you're a man. Thank you for the man wisdom. Silly me. I've been a girl roguevalley Dec 2012 #205
Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #215
bullshit. it is. if women arent allowed to change their mind even if you roguevalley Dec 2012 #222
Exactly. The OP had a list of MineralMan Dec 2012 #181
Wait, what now? FightForMichigan Nov 2012 #105
the whole OP is a treatise to how to read "no" as anything other than "no." redqueen Nov 2012 #106
the women that say no do not mean it enough? that would be legitimate rape from false rape. seabeyond Nov 2012 #107
Are you agnostic on date rape too? morningfog Nov 2012 #110
For those interested, here is another RegieRocker vomit statement: demmiblue Nov 2012 #113
Listen to me: FightForMichigan Nov 2012 #114
demmi is not saying this. the poster copy and pasted something regie said. nt seabeyond Nov 2012 #115
You're right FightForMichigan Nov 2012 #117
the wonderful thing seabeyond Nov 2012 #119
FlightForMichigan, I hug you. Seriously. :*( roguevalley Dec 2012 #207
Do these fuckers get it that rapists LIE????? boston bean Nov 2012 #116
omg obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #123
repeatedly!?! What about telling boys if they molest someone's daughter their dad roguevalley Dec 2012 #206
Rapists tell the judge the woman consented. Even though the victim was screaming no. boston bean Nov 2012 #118
No, the woman doesn't have to say no obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #121
Perfectly stated! MineralMan Dec 2012 #182
Get lost. morningfog Nov 2012 #108
WOW, Well I guess you painted yourself out of a corner HUH? WCLinolVir Dec 2012 #126
I am so fucking sick of this shit. Good fucking grief. I am so enraged by these people. I will amywalk Dec 2012 #136
or amy.... seabeyond Dec 2012 #139
Amy, you are loved. Know that from me. :*( roguevalley Dec 2012 #208
so many self deluded entitled wannabes have lost their way all day lunasun Dec 2012 #141
These threads are ridiculous and your OP is pedantic, obtuse and insulting all at the same time. stevenleser Dec 2012 #143
Steve, why do you think quite a few men here claim they can't tell they have consent? bettyellen Dec 2012 #180
I really dont know what its about. On the one hand, at least half seem to be low post newbies who I stevenleser Dec 2012 #184
Ah, I never notice who is new. I think many who had respectful behavior modeled for them don't need bettyellen Dec 2012 #187
I remember a fucking JUDGE in Ohio or some place back in the midwest told a FIVE roguevalley Dec 2012 #209
+1,000,000,000 x 1,000,000,000 - Well put and definitely coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #218
Yes means yes, no means no, and if you keep pushing it you are a rapist. Odin2005 Dec 2012 #145
it's making you what, exactly? iwillalwayswonderwhy Dec 2012 #151
really that disgusts me the most and makes clear it is an hostile OP to women. regardless if he seabeyond Dec 2012 #157
Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #152
You need to delete this thread steve2470 Dec 2012 #159
decency. hey all, honest, decency and ALL this is so easy. dont even have to think. little decency seabeyond Dec 2012 #162
You realize your little story about you and your wife is trivializing genuine marital/acquaintance nomorenomore08 Dec 2012 #166
Re: prostitutes freedom fighter jh Dec 2012 #176
apparently, the OP finds categories of women to be good, bad, indifferent. roguevalley Dec 2012 #210
Reading your OP makes me sad that I am a man. Ugh, the "notches on the belt" coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #183
Reading your reply makes me a little less sad to be a man. Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #214
have made me very proud of allot of other men on DU seabeyond Dec 2012 #220
Holy Shit Aerows Dec 2012 #196
I'm right with you. Was totally creeped out and mortified for my gender. As coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #216
This shit makes my skin crawl. Odin2005 Dec 2012 #225
I don't even know what to say about it Aerows Dec 2012 #226
TL;DNR Ian David Dec 2012 #227
Interesting... does such navel gazing change the impact of the assualt salin Dec 2012 #228
Whiskeytide is probably a rapist and should be banned. geek tragedy Dec 2012 #231
Nice attempt to justify rape. idwiyo Jan 2013 #233
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