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AlexSatan

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40. Posting the video and pointing out

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:36 PM

Nov 2012

what a douche the guy is, is perfectly fine (great, in my eyes).

Jail? No way. If we start sending people to jail every time they act like an asshole, there's not going to be many on the outside.

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Ohio man gets jail for mocking disabled girl [View all] The Straight Story Nov 2012 OP

Really? Am I the only one who thinks this is ridiculous? TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #1

Nope. unreadierLizard Nov 2012 #3

First Amendment rights to terrorize and humiliate a girl???? rustydog Nov 2012 #10

There is no law against bullying. unreadierLizard Nov 2012 #12

There is NO constitutional right to harass rustydog Nov 2012 #17

there is a right to free expression, however. BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #26

Agreed...it's not like he stalked her...the guy's an ass but jail time joeybee12 Nov 2012 #31

however, disorderly conduct is against the law frylock Nov 2012 #63

Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #93

i'm more into long-term, and i don't see you lasting here through the year frylock Nov 2012 #117

You can shorten that time-frame. Ikonoklast Nov 2012 #130

i'm positively crestfallen! frylock Nov 2012 #158

I can see disappointment writ large across your face. Ikonoklast Nov 2012 #181

Yes, if it was found to have risen to the level of disorderly conduct treestar Nov 2012 #178

Then every person who ever approached me on the street TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #33

Are you a ten-year old girl Aerows Nov 2012 #140

I made that comment before I knew all of the aggravating circumstances TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #143

I'd blame my lack of knowledge on the headlines instead of not reading the story too. LanternWaste Nov 2012 #175

Come on Aerows Nov 2012 #186

Fair enough :) Aerows Nov 2012 #185

These people were all adults, and approached you when you were ten years old? thucythucy Nov 2012 #141

I'm not sure that mockery, imitation, and teasing-- TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #149

For what it is worth Aerows Nov 2012 #187

Yup--if there's a significant backstory it kind of makes TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #188

You won't be the first one to do it Aerows Nov 2012 #189

We wouldn't have a GOP member walking free! Demeter Nov 2012 #29

There are laws against disorderly conduct and menacing - that's what he plead to. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2012 #43

OK, if that is the law or statute, then I can see how they can TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #45

This post changed my mind. Prism Nov 2012 #57

what part of disorderly conduct and aggravated menacing are you not getting? frylock Nov 2012 #62

Bullying is abuse. Period. backscatter712 Nov 2012 #133

I don't think he terrorized her, he just mocked her gollygee Nov 2012 #18

Our Jails are all ready packed full Drale Nov 2012 #27

"He should be forced to work with disabled youth..." thucythucy Nov 2012 #159

If the goal of speech has to meet with approval of others, then it isn't free. JVS Nov 2012 #129

Not sure how this applies to the situation under discussion. thucythucy Nov 2012 #170

I think this should have been a civil matter AldoLeopold Nov 2012 #156

Do me a favor pretend this girl is a lesbian Arcanetrance Nov 2012 #24

mocking isn't illegal. BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #28

Go read the statute in post #43 before you spout off and make silly declarative statements. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2012 #77

Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #87

brilliant retort.. frylock Nov 2012 #91

oh, you... BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #100

Oh yeah, I forgot about the ... Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2012 #104

if we don't use those rights, we're going to lose them. frylock Nov 2012 #115

Freeedom!!!!!! Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2012 #131

Child abuse is illegal. And this kind of bullying qualified as child abuse. n/t backscatter712 Nov 2012 #136

Really? AlexSatan Nov 2012 #180

So I assume that applies to mocking religious people as well AlexSatan Nov 2012 #37

Not sure what your point is. thucythucy Nov 2012 #173

I didn't say anything about threatening AlexSatan Nov 2012 #179

As a society, we make choices for each other all the time. thucythucy Nov 2012 #190

OK, I have determined AlexSatan Nov 2012 #192

Going off on something of a tangent, aren't we? thucythucy Nov 2012 #193

If you think rights are defined by what you approve cthulu2016 Nov 2012 #47

the same applies to laws and statutes.. frylock Nov 2012 #94

FFS cthulu2016 Nov 2012 #132

yeh well in this case it appears that it does.. frylock Nov 2012 #160

What does being a lesbian have to do with anything? obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #85

It was used as an example cause theres alot of support for antigay bullying laws Arcanetrance Nov 2012 #167

I agree. A more suitable punishment would be a few days in the stocks with kestrel91316 Nov 2012 #64

i think a good old fashion ass kicking would be more appropriate frylock Nov 2012 #96

I think it's inappropriate. As much as it makes my blood boil Butterbean Nov 2012 #5

This shouldn't be a crime at all. I didn't see the video, but TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #7

"... Bailey threatened to choke her with a chain ..." struggle4progress Nov 2012 #54

OK. TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #58

derp frylock Nov 2012 #65

Um...not really sure what your problem is. Seems personal. TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #66

nothing personal. if you look through the thread, i'm engaging all the morans here frylock Nov 2012 #101

Oh, I see. It is personal. You are calling me a moron. TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #103

There's where he crossed the line. backscatter712 Nov 2012 #97

Yes, the threat takes the nuance out of it. DirkGently Nov 2012 #98

it appears that he threatened the mom frylock Nov 2012 #118

Fuzzy grammar. Should be the mom, IF the antecedent is right. DirkGently Nov 2012 #147

agreed frylock Nov 2012 #161

Thank you for bringing the facts, yet again. nt msanthrope Nov 2012 #111

No, you aren't the only one. Arkansas Granny Nov 2012 #55

yes, you are frylock Nov 2012 #60

If you bother to read TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #61

I also think a month in jail is uncalled for. Quantess Nov 2012 #80

He's an odious human being, which would make it easy TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #82

Will sitting in jail give him any insights? No. Quantess Nov 2012 #83

he threatened to choke the mom with a chain ffs! frylock Nov 2012 #107

When someone threatens another person, Quantess Nov 2012 #110

He won't serve a month--probably a week or two. But the sentence will be more aggravating msanthrope Nov 2012 #116

yeh, well dude plead no contest, so your beef is with him frylock Nov 2012 #119

I'd say the prosecutor and the judge found that the situation was pretty serious. backscatter712 Nov 2012 #144

Yes, but then only if the media has accurately reported the story treestar Nov 2012 #176

This Bailey fellow looks to be a serious Bully Burma Jones Nov 2012 #2

Lacking a deity to "strike him lame" I guess this will have to do CBGLuthier Nov 2012 #4

If you knew which jail he was held in, you could pay someone on the inside... backscatter712 Nov 2012 #145

You do have to wonder how many beatings he will take if CBGLuthier Nov 2012 #153

They're gonna have to keep him in solitary. backscatter712 Nov 2012 #157

Community service would have been a proper sentence. Quantess Nov 2012 #6

Community service for WHAT? Being a jerk? TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #9

Okay, you have a point... Quantess Nov 2012 #44

Post #43 above shows how it could be construed as disorderly TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #46

You're a patron of bars that serve ten year olds? thucythucy Nov 2012 #152

My own personal fantasy of what the judge was thinking CBGLuthier Nov 2012 #142

He's been convicted of a crime, so it's a safe bet that he committed a crime. kestrel91316 Nov 2012 #68

Wow, take it easy. Nowhere am I defending bullying and TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #76

He was making threats on top of the mocking. backscatter712 Nov 2012 #146

Here's the video of the "man" and his son, mockingly walking like the little girl: Poll_Blind Nov 2012 #8

Jumpin' Jesus, this is a full grown "ADULT" male publicly mocking rustydog Nov 2012 #14

"You are defending his actions?" Are you talking to me? Of course not! WTF? nt Poll_Blind Nov 2012 #20

Is mockery against the law now? Wouldn't harassment have to be TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #21

He did it all the time johnnie Nov 2012 #52

Right and his son was bullying the girl on the bus as well for months. wickerwoman Nov 2012 #74

Posting the video and pointing out AlexSatan Nov 2012 #40

There is no such thing Sgent Nov 2012 #184

Never mind jail, or community service... truebrit71 Nov 2012 #11

Disgusting, but this should be protected free expression nevertheless Silent3 Nov 2012 #13

You do NOT have 1st amendment rights to Harass another human being! rustydog Nov 2012 #15

I'm not sure if it qualifies as harassment gollygee Nov 2012 #22

So those pictures and people calling Bush a chimp AlexSatan Nov 2012 #42

there's a guy in jail for making a veiled reference to a "burning bush" frylock Nov 2012 #108

Mocking is not the same as threatening AlexSatan Nov 2012 #124

so is threatening to choke somebody with a chain not threatening anymore? frylock Nov 2012 #126

Nope, that is a threat--and what he went to jail for AlexSatan Nov 2012 #137

Did that upset you? Son of Gob Nov 2012 #182

WTF? AlexSatan Nov 2012 #191

Let's see, you just signed up Son of Gob Nov 2012 #194

Apparently it doesn't take a genius to make a bunch of wrong assumptions AlexSatan Nov 2012 #195

What's the play on words? I don't get it. Son of Gob Nov 2012 #196

I'm curious as to how this even resulted in an arrest. TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #16

We're in new territory. A lot of people will be the first to get locked up ecstatic Nov 2012 #35

I'm sorry, but I don't want to see people arrested for bogus TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #38

what is this country coming to when you can't threaten to choke someone with a chain.. frylock Nov 2012 #123

Just in case you think I was defending ecstatic Nov 2012 #139

Watch the video... trumad Nov 2012 #19

Exactly zabet Nov 2012 #41

He threatened to choke her. backscatter712 Nov 2012 #102

He threatened to choke her? gollygee Nov 2012 #106

Physical threats are different. That really happened? Silent3 Nov 2012 #148

The video only captured a small part of what this man did. backscatter712 Nov 2012 #150

So you want to send a message that harrassing disabled people is OK? Odin2005 Nov 2012 #135

wow. that is messed up. BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #23

Good thing you are wrong. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2012 #30

no, i'm not. BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #32

It IS illegal. That's why he was arrested, tried, and convicted. kestrel91316 Nov 2012 #71

Disorderly conduct is a fair charge Red Mountain Nov 2012 #25

he says he was just protecting his son Enrique Nov 2012 #34

From WHAT? gollygee Nov 2012 #36

not from second hand smoke.. frylock Nov 2012 #162

What is that tattoo? Starry Messenger Nov 2012 #164

I was thinking Mensa Enrique Nov 2012 #165

lololol Starry Messenger Nov 2012 #166

now that the girl is a public figure- doesn't that let the dad off the hook...? BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #39

you can't possibly be this fucking dense.. frylock Nov 2012 #69

dropped you on the head one time to many...? BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #90

The girl is a private citizen. Merely being a victim of a crime does not make you kestrel91316 Nov 2012 #72

she's a public figure now. BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #89

fucking troll frylock Nov 2012 #120

If I was on your jury for this post, I'd vote to leave it! backscatter712 Nov 2012 #127

2917.11 Disorderly conduct. struggle4progress Nov 2012 #48

His actions appear to fall well within the charge of Disorderly Contact as written. LanternWaste Nov 2012 #51

Yeah, I expect that if I had a ten year old daughter with cerebral palsy, and if an adult struggle4progress Nov 2012 #56

It wouldn't need to even be a young girl related to me Aerows Nov 2012 #138

in a police state- they can always find a reason to lock someone up. BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #59

okay, maybe you are that fucking dense.. frylock Nov 2012 #79

it's amazing how many people actually enjoy living in a police state. BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #86

he threatened to choke the mom, genuis.. frylock Nov 2012 #125

Especially when one is in violation of written law LanternWaste Nov 2012 #92

sigh... BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #105

I imagine we often think people with different opinions are somewhat less LanternWaste Nov 2012 #128

I can see it fitting under that gollygee Nov 2012 #84

Thanks. n/t Judi Lynn Nov 2012 #172

I'm not sure what the problem is. okwmember Nov 2012 #49

Seeing that his actions included death threats on top of child abuse, I'd say he got off light. n/t backscatter712 Nov 2012 #151

Some explanations from Mr Bailey: struggle4progress Nov 2012 #50

Oh my god what a knob. Sheldon Cooper Nov 2012 #78

I ruptured a disk in my lower back and didn't walk like that NickB79 Nov 2012 #122

Guy needs to get his story straight. Mariana Nov 2012 #168

It would have been far better to give him community service to help the disabled still_one Nov 2012 #53

No. Sheldon Cooper Nov 2012 #70

I wouldn't let this freak within a mile of any disabled person. kestrel91316 Nov 2012 #73

You can't teach a psychopath empathy. backscatter712 Nov 2012 #154

Ok I got the message still_one Nov 2012 #177

Just building that bad Karma, aren't you burnsei sensei Nov 2012 #67

Stupid sentence - jails/prisons are overcrowded as it is, a much better Smilo Nov 2012 #75

Animal abusers shouldn't work at a rescue for CS obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #95

Good get the red out Nov 2012 #81

This was done to a minor and it was systematic obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #88

I posted the video of the 'mocking', thought it was awful but jail? Liberal_in_LA Nov 2012 #99

Repeatedly, day-after-day, combined with threats. backscatter712 Nov 2012 #113

oh ok. Liberal_in_LA Nov 2012 #174

...saying that Bailey threatened to choke her with a chain. frylock Nov 2012 #109

also overlooked in this constitutional herp derp is that he plead NO CONTEST! frylock Nov 2012 #112

I don't see much of a constitutional crisis here. backscatter712 Nov 2012 #155

try explaining that to some of the constitutional scholars in this thread frylock Nov 2012 #163

I really enjoyed how you dealt with some of the brainiacs in this thread. Son of Gob Nov 2012 #183

Mean people suck slackmaster Nov 2012 #114

Good! What an ass! Odin2005 Nov 2012 #121

Asshat. sarcasmo Nov 2012 #134

I have no problem with it at all in this case. forestpath Nov 2012 #169

he doesn't need jailtime blueknight Nov 2012 #171