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HiPointDem

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75. ovid isn't in common core's 10th grade reading, i.e. it won't be taught. they
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 12:51 AM
Nov 2012

will encounter the passage only on the high stakes test. no research allowed.

What's wrong with Ovid? Perfectly reasonable component of a solid education in the humanities dmallind Nov 2012 #1
Perfectly reasonable. enlightenment Nov 2012 #5
99% of teens would find it boring and/or painful to read. pnwmom Nov 2012 #9
Yes, because having to think about one passage will destroy them for life. Posteritatis Nov 2012 #15
No, it won't. But Ovid is overrated, as a teaching device anyway. pnwmom Nov 2012 #20
The same could be said of Shakespeare intaglio Nov 2012 #94
How many plays of Shakespeare include 50 rapes? pnwmom Nov 2012 #95
Neither does "Merchant" by those lights intaglio Nov 2012 #109
that just makes me sad. It's a beautiful play cali Nov 2012 #115
Quite a few adults would, too Fla_Democrat Nov 2012 #18
Dare I say "most"? HiPointDem Nov 2012 #32
If that's their reaction, reading is already ruined. aquart Nov 2012 #62
Student: "Why are we reading Ovid's handbook on rape?" pnwmom Nov 2012 #65
not everyone has the same tastes in literature... BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #79
since common core mandates that only 30% of texts taught in HS english can be literature, HiPointDem Nov 2012 #140
I think 99% is perhaps a bit overbaked. enlightenment Nov 2012 #82
May be so. But I still don't understand why high school students pnwmom Nov 2012 #84
Because it's poetry? Because it's old? Retrograde Nov 2012 #103
There are countless old poems out there. They don't need to assign The Metamorphoses pnwmom Nov 2012 #108
Can they do Titus Andronicus? (n/t) Retrograde Nov 2012 #114
What do you think? Is it one of the best? pnwmom Nov 2012 #116
Oh please. This is embarrassing. Might as well dispense with Classics entirely under your regime. anneboleyn Nov 2012 #137
What a horrible, shallow rationale for dumbing down curricula. anneboleyn Nov 2012 #136
shallow is your uniformed post. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #142
Exactly. Ovid, Shakespeare, etc. WTH is the problem? It is "poetry" and therefore too "hard?" anneboleyn Nov 2012 #135
Good lord! Are_grits_groceries Nov 2012 #2
What? I loved reading Ovid in high school. MineralMan Nov 2012 #4
they don't read it. ovid isn't on the 10th-grade reading list. they just get HiPointDem Nov 2012 #48
It was on my 10th grade reading list. MineralMan Nov 2012 #60
it's not on the common core reading list, which most of the states will soon HiPointDem Nov 2012 #74
Oh I can see a number of things this tests that are appropriate... HereSince1628 Nov 2012 #19
Should students be expected to study a text pnwmom Nov 2012 #89
IMO, although that clearly activates your sensibilities, it's a red herring HereSince1628 Nov 2012 #96
Teaching to the test means that many students are likely to be taught pnwmom Nov 2012 #99
I don't think this is a teaching to the test issue...because the nature of the assessement HereSince1628 Nov 2012 #111
can you also imagine what students would make of 'modest proposal' if they met it cold HiPointDem Nov 2012 #129
Pretending society has the same hundreds/thousands of years ago AlexSatan Nov 2012 #97
With all the beautiful and/or difficult reading passages that could be assigned from other works, pnwmom Nov 2012 #100
Now that, AlexSatan Nov 2012 #113
Is it a required test? For all 10th graders? I don't recall having to take a test in 10th grade. Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #119
Common Core Tests. Every year. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #127
That article says the tests are to go into effect in 2014-2015? Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #130
no, i meant they will be given every year, to all students. at least once, possibly twice, HiPointDem Nov 2012 #133
This whole testing mania is about profit -- for the testing companies pnwmom Nov 2012 #138
+1 HiPointDem Nov 2012 #139
I thoroughly enjoyed reading that.... mike_c Nov 2012 #3
I knew I'd get the "I love Ovid, especially in 100-year-old translation" from the HiPointDem Nov 2012 #6
Appreciate it might be asking to much... Riftaxe Nov 2012 #41
Do you know a lot of typical 10th graders? And by that I mean, pnwmom Nov 2012 #141
Enjoyed the reading too. PufPuf23 Nov 2012 #45
I don't think all education should be about the "global economy" Union Scribe Nov 2012 #76
but according to the folks pushing this, it's all about educating kids for the global economy. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #93
Your answer choices are A), B), C) or TL/DR) Bucky Nov 2012 #7
This isn't the way to encourage a generation of readers. pnwmom Nov 2012 #8
That's one of the more inane objections I've heard to, well, anything here. (nt) Posteritatis Nov 2012 #14
How many English classes have you taught or observed? n/t pnwmom Nov 2012 #16
What bearing does that have on deciding poetry's for the 1%? (nt) Posteritatis Nov 2012 #17
If you knew high school students you would know there would only be a few pnwmom Nov 2012 #21
Nope, not even them. knitter4democracy Nov 2012 #24
I meant 1% in ability and interest, not in financial background. pnwmom Nov 2012 #91
It's a passage I'd expect on the AP anyway. knitter4democracy Nov 2012 #117
Holy phuking wow! You could not be more wrong. Please describe your personal patrice Nov 2012 #29
Why should I? Anyone who works with teens knows that most of them pnwmom Nov 2012 #38
What should they read in school then? Union Scribe Nov 2012 #78
Frankenstein is pretty good. roody Nov 2012 #80
How about Shakespeare? (But not The Taming of the Shrew) pnwmom Nov 2012 #92
I had 2 alternative high school students almost come to blows over that book. knitter4democracy Nov 2012 #118
Is that the purpose of the test? surrealAmerican Nov 2012 #30
If passages like this are known to be on a test, they WILL be central to the curriculum. pnwmom Nov 2012 #35
So people who enjoy reading, MineralMan Nov 2012 #61
You can love to read, as I did, and dislike Ovid pnwmom Nov 2012 #66
But I bet reading him helped you improve your skills at critique. wickerwoman Nov 2012 #81
There were countless other difficult texts I could have read instead in order pnwmom Nov 2012 #83
What an appalling comment. Nightmarish. aquart Nov 2012 #63
+1 with many zeros on the end. nt Union Scribe Nov 2012 #77
The 1% don't read; they have people to do that for them. wickerwoman Nov 2012 #90
It's OK so long as they explain that humans can't actually fly this way. FarCenter Nov 2012 #10
Why should children not learn classical literature? Skidmore Nov 2012 #11
For 4 decades I tried to teach undergrads biology... HereSince1628 Nov 2012 #12
four decades...? mike_c Nov 2012 #55
Yes, how dare those poor snowflakes have to read something complex for a change. Posteritatis Nov 2012 #13
Ovid's Metamorphoses contains over 50 references to rapes. pnwmom Nov 2012 #23
Literatures reflect their times Skidmore Nov 2012 #36
Yet you upthread recommended books that contain many more *deaths* than that dmallind Nov 2012 #101
Ovid is simply montanto Nov 2012 #22
And there's the crux of the matter: what approach? knitter4democracy Nov 2012 #25
If they want kids to read Ovid, it should be "The Art of Love". Cleita Nov 2012 #26
"... the kind of reading students will have to ENDURE ..." Do you recognize your own bias? nt patrice Nov 2012 #27
If kids aren't used to reading archaic language they're going to have a hard time with that Fumesucker Nov 2012 #28
Well, jeez. isn't that the very type of circumstance for which we should to teach research skills Skidmore Nov 2012 #39
This is a test, not a research project.. Fumesucker Nov 2012 #42
I know what "rustic," "pipe," "prom," and "straws" all mean. pnwmom Nov 2012 #44
Put them together and what've you got? Fumesucker Nov 2012 #46
Pretty much. n/t pnwmom Nov 2012 #47
ovid isn't on the 10th grade reading list. this is just a passage that they HiPointDem Nov 2012 #50
ovid isn't in common core's 10th grade reading, i.e. it won't be taught. they HiPointDem Nov 2012 #75
What's to research? Retrograde Nov 2012 #106
my post was to counter the idea that students will actually be studying ovid. but the HiPointDem Nov 2012 #107
Student: "Why are we reading Ovid's handbook on rape?" pnwmom Nov 2012 #31
Challenge is the essence of cognitive development. It should be appropriate, but inappropriate patrice Nov 2012 #33
The Metamorphoses isn't just challenging. It's sexist and misogynistic and includes pnwmom Nov 2012 #34
That's okay with me as long as it isn't about avoiding reading challenges. Discussion is patrice Nov 2012 #37
But in a test situation there's no discussion involved. pnwmom Nov 2012 #40
Your point about the testing environment is taken. I was thinking about curriculum in general... patrice Nov 2012 #43
ovid isn't part of the 10th-grade curriculum. it's just a test question. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #51
How will the test takers know about the 50 rapes that are not in this sample? dmallind Nov 2012 #102
The fact that it is couched in poetic language doesn't make it less of a rape. "She fought him." pnwmom Nov 2012 #110
So...nongraphic rape descriptions are, to you, worse than graphic torture and killing descriptions? dmallind Nov 2012 #112
What an insipid critique by your source. I would have been tested on Ovid in the original Latin, msanthrope Nov 2012 #49
Ugh, not only is it a wretched story to begin with Warpy Nov 2012 #52
I don't see anything wrong with this - downandoutnow Nov 2012 #53
Welcome to DU! hrmjustin Nov 2012 #64
It's how testing is done in many other countries... WilmywoodNCparalegal Nov 2012 #54
ovid is not on the common core 10th grade reading list. it's just a test HiPointDem Nov 2012 #56
here's a different perspective.... mike_c Nov 2012 #57
"haven't had any serious prior exposure to the passage in the test." HiPointDem Nov 2012 #58
Uh huh and the current gripe is that schools don't teach job skills or that schools MichiganVote Nov 2012 #59
We could just give them this machine assembly manual: bhikkhu Nov 2012 #86
Mirabile dictu! A flamewar on Ovid. rug Nov 2012 #67
<snort> Fumesucker Nov 2012 #68
Ave, amice rug Nov 2012 #69
I tip my hat to you....I think Virgil declined. nt msanthrope Nov 2012 #104
Long before Schoolhouse Rock, there was this. rug Nov 2012 #132
So you are upset about children learning to read. Cool. cthulu2016 Nov 2012 #70
Your comments are generally much smarter than that Fumesucker Nov 2012 #72
Basically. joshcryer Nov 2012 #105
30 years, high school English, Tech-Prep 11, Honors 10, C-P 12. THIS EXCERPT SUCKS. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #71
Wait until they get to his love manual! Odin2005 Nov 2012 #73
On any assessment there will be questions only the top % of students will master aikoaiko Nov 2012 #85
I'm a high school English teacher Nevernose Nov 2012 #87
What's wrong with Homer? Isn't that more popular with kids? nt Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #120
i like the newer translation in the link for teaching NuttyFluffers Nov 2012 #88
I think it is great. We underestimate the kids and what are we saying if something I learned in high Pisces Nov 2012 #98
Good. I want students to be challenged RZM Nov 2012 #121
so it's standardized tests that challenge students? i thought it was curriculum HiPointDem Nov 2012 #122
Ideally they are challenged on a regular basis RZM Nov 2012 #124
There is a reason. Classical greek/romance literature written in archaic english isn't part HiPointDem Nov 2012 #125
It's not any worse then the stuff I had to read in 9th or 10th grade. Jennicut Nov 2012 #123
excellent Deep13 Nov 2012 #126
yea, testing them on something they didn't study will help a lot. and more testing will HiPointDem Nov 2012 #128
I meant excellent that Sophmores were being exposed to Ovid. Deep13 Nov 2012 #131
the only place they're being exposed is on the test itself. not a good space for a 1st HiPointDem Nov 2012 #134
That's bad. Deep13 Nov 2012 #143
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