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Confusious

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88. I suppose, if you gut the entire idea

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 12:26 AM

Nov 2012

Manifest Destiny was the belief widely held by Americans in the 19th century that the United States was destined to expand across the continent.

No empire, not the Romans, Spanish or British, had any idea like that. They all just fell into their empires.

The Romans, getting involved in other peoples wars and their search for eternal security, the Spanish, because of the discovery of America, the British, because of their desire to keep balance on the European continent, a balance which usually favored them, BTW.

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What Spielberg’s “Lincoln” conveniently leaves out [View all] mfcorey1 Nov 2012 OP

I really think Spielberg is over-rated. randome Nov 2012 #1

titanic wasn't his movie dsc Nov 2012 #2

Whoops. Substitute 'Saving Private Ryan', then. randome Nov 2012 #4

And your expertise in the area of filmmaking is what? Vinnie From Indy Nov 2012 #5

It's RELATIVELY easy, I should have specified. randome Nov 2012 #50

Agreed alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #85

Wow! trumad Nov 2012 #8

well, he only spent the first 20 minutes re-creating the landing at Omaha Beach WolverineDG Nov 2012 #28

Exactly. He RE-created it. He didn't create the parameters on his own. randome Nov 2012 #52

It is easier to script and film a romcom or a drama obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #65

How do you KNOW he didn't build a time machine and influence the actual events of the landing... Ian David Nov 2012 #78

Wow. I guess if you're hot in Hollywood, you get ALL the cool devices. randome Nov 2012 #80

+1 Sherman A1 Nov 2012 #53

D-Day vets said it was a terrific movie and like being there obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #11

the first 30 or so minutes dsc Nov 2012 #23

Don't forget The Color Purple thelordofhell Nov 2012 #54

"D-Day vets said it was ... like being there". And we know this how? Astroturfing. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #24

Not "astroturfing" at all. A simple Google search will bring up a number of.... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #61

Actually, a respected combat vet and paratrooper, and who was familiar with movie making, AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #86

He wasn't at Omaha Beach nt WolverineDG Nov 2012 #92

Spielberg wasn't at Omaha Beach. nt AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #93

Because that's what they said in interviews when it came out obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #66

You mention that you wish that you were on Spielberg's payroll. I'm sure that you do. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #77

I had a simple way of knowing what one D-Day Vet said MurrayDelph Nov 2012 #83

Just curious, but which characters in "Saving Private Ryan" did you feel were undeveloped? nt. OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #18

soldier #3' Act 3, Scene 15. ret5hd Nov 2012 #27

Just what I thought. nt. OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #60

In fairness it was a common complaint dsc Nov 2012 #63

I'm sure you think that Schindler's List was also just too easy right? lunatica Nov 2012 #38

I thought James Cameron wrote titanic? n/t Lucinda Nov 2012 #6

Yes did, and directed it obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #12

I almost walked out of the theater while watching "Titanic." WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2012 #17

I almost walked out too MurrayDelph Nov 2012 #84

Hence, Mayor Bloomberg! WinkyDink Nov 2012 #97

sorry meant to type wasn't dsc Nov 2012 #21

Did you think "Shindler's List" was sappy? obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #9

Titanic was not his film, James Cameron made that film. Bluenorthwest Nov 2012 #14

E.T. phone home? Voice for Peace Nov 2012 #29

So what? This movie is by Tony Kushner. JackRiddler Nov 2012 #32

Spielberg is a great story teller. Not so great as a story writer. Kablooie Nov 2012 #56

one of the greatest movie men in history. period. spanone Nov 2012 #62

me too. i haven't seen all his films, but the ones i have seen made me not want to see the others. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #64

Schindler's List? Empire of the Sun? obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #67

My daughters are finally old enough that we watched Pulp Fiction together a couple days ago. randome Nov 2012 #71

I don't like taratino either (nothing personal, i just don't). It's been a while, actually, HiPointDem Nov 2012 #103

I totally disagree. He is a GREAT film maker. Everthing from "Jaws" to "Close Encounters" to the RBInMaine Nov 2012 #70

I love Raiders of the Lost Ark. randome Nov 2012 #72

Spielberg directed Titanic? edbermac Nov 2012 #81

I agree.. sendero Nov 2012 #82

Uh, Spielberg is awesome. As a director, he has created some of the most iconic films in history zonkers Nov 2012 #87

So it's wrong to be successful? jehop61 Nov 2012 #3

It is not about being successful but how you become successful. We have used the idea of jwirr Nov 2012 #13

A thousand years?! aletier_v Nov 2012 #22

I was thinking about the use of this method by Rome/England in the expansion of their Empires. jwirr Nov 2012 #58

I scecond the WTF? "a thousand years?" Confusious Nov 2012 #39

Put the use of manifest destiny methodology is not new - it has been the practice of most empires. jwirr Nov 2012 #59

I suppose, if you gut the entire idea Confusious Nov 2012 #88

small minded perspective from a small minded source. grantcart Nov 2012 #7

Scroll left side of page for article. This is the way the link prints. mfcorey1 Nov 2012 #15

ok thanks. If you haven't seen the movie I recommend that you do. grantcart Nov 2012 #34

I will. I don't agree with the article. I just thought it would be interesting discussion. nt mfcorey1 Nov 2012 #90

That's what I thought. grantcart Nov 2012 #91

And Native Americans can testify to your last statement. They died in droves so that the barons jwirr Nov 2012 #10

Hell on Wheels deals with the post CW railway business. ananda Nov 2012 #16

Here's a good article on the choices made by the filmmakers on what to include Beaverhausen Nov 2012 #19

read Stephen Ambrose's "Nothing Like It in the World," dhill926 Nov 2012 #20

To quote Jimmy Breslin: "No one reaches the Presidency in a state of grace." aquart Nov 2012 #25

I think even the greatest presidents have major flaws. Arugula Latte Nov 2012 #26

Mhm. Every human has flaws. When they have as much power as a President, they're only amplified. nt Comrade_McKenzie Nov 2012 #47

And then there's the tiny matter of Lucy Rutherford - n/t coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #74

He was the only candidate that ran on limiting slavery to slave states. Starry Messenger Nov 2012 #30

the OP article in Salon shows everything that is wrong with those who are never satisfied graham4anything Nov 2012 #31

And ironic considering that one of the sub-plots of the move aletier_v Nov 2012 #36

Yup. I do think myself that Spielberg wanted that to be the main thing people got out of the movie graham4anything Nov 2012 #44

Speilberg is, himself, a plutocrat. You can't expect him to make a class-based critique. Period. leveymg Nov 2012 #33

Correct. I saw the film, thought it was excellent, but closeupready Nov 2012 #40

I am also a fan of a lot of Spielberg's movies, even if I disagree with some of his politics. leveymg Nov 2012 #45

Until we change our form of governance, the best that America can hope for is Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #35

This isn't a critique of "Lincoln" the movie at all. JackRiddler Nov 2012 #37

Meh. pnwmom Nov 2012 #41

What can't all movies about American heroes instead focus on how awful they are? 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #42

Why can't the world be pure black and white, good vs evil, like an old-fashioned comic book? leveymg Nov 2012 #48

Because *reality*? nt Romulox Nov 2012 #99

More contrary know-it-all shit. nt Comrade_McKenzie Nov 2012 #43

Exactly. (nt) Paladin Nov 2012 #57

I Saw " Lincoln " And Am Now Reading "Team Of Rivals" DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2012 #46

I'm 3/4 through "Team of Rivals", and there is no mention ... MrMickeysMom Nov 2012 #89

The Book Is Seven Hundred Plus Pages DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2012 #95

True! MrMickeysMom Nov 2012 #102

Why should it have shown this? kiva Nov 2012 #49

My first thought, too obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #68

Ding Ding Ding -- we have a winner! Myrina Nov 2012 #100

I still haven't been able to see it. I'm hoping to get to go this Thursday. liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #51

This is not a secret bluestateguy Nov 2012 #55

He was also close to men. He liked men. Safetykitten Nov 2012 #69

Which Was Common At The Time. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2012 #75

I saw the movie yesterday. H2O Man Nov 2012 #73

I agree that he was close to them, but burnsei sensei Nov 2012 #76

WAIT! WHOA! BACK THIS UP! So, Lincoln wasn't perfect?!? Drunken Irishman Nov 2012 #79

What Spielberg's "Lincoln" SHOULD have left out Ron Green Nov 2012 #94

"a service to the country and to humanity in general." True, but England beat us to it by 32 years WinkyDink Nov 2012 #96

Lincoln spoke publically in support of slavery as late as 1861. Spielberg has whitewashed history. Romulox Nov 2012 #98

This is Salon's big scoop? That Lincoln acted like the attorney that he was, MadHound Nov 2012 #101

it's actually an important fact in considering who his backers were & the reasons for the HiPointDem Nov 2012 #104