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Pacafishmate

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12. Here you go.
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 08:41 PM
Nov 2012
http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=427&t=3

There's a reason for coal being 42% and solar being .04%. Solar technology just isn't at the point of being cost effective for the large scale generation of power.
WARNING [View all] Whovian Nov 2012 OP
Not at an economically realistic price. Pacafishmate Nov 2012 #1
Ha ha ha ha. Hilarious post, thanks!!! My sides hurt from laughing so much... Ha ha. Scuba Nov 2012 #2
Solar generates .04% of the energy in the United States. Pacafishmate Nov 2012 #10
It can be, though concentrating solar tends to be more efficient than PV. AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #45
It isn't widespread (here) because there are cheaper energy sources. Pacafishmate Nov 2012 #54
If we subsidized solar to the extent which we subsidize oil and gas... renie408 Nov 2012 #55
Exactly... Jeff In Milwaukee Nov 2012 #70
Your under the influence of oil my friend.... Pauldg47 Nov 2012 #74
It has been powering my house for 11 years. roody Nov 2012 #78
it seems to work well for the Germans BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #88
And don't forget how crappy and cloudy the weather is over there Victor_c3 Nov 2012 #98
virtually all of the lower 49 states are farther south than Germany. BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #112
I totally disagree. My friends here with a farm in Australia Swagman Nov 2012 #97
Yes, and at one time oil generated .04% of the energy in the US. chalky Nov 2012 #106
Solar is actually quite cheap to get going, especially when mass produced. LeftyLucy22 Nov 2012 #126
You need to learn that just saying something doesn't make it so. Post your sources, so we patrice Nov 2012 #5
Here you go. Pacafishmate Nov 2012 #12
Why are assumptions based, apparently, only on "large scale"? Nothing else would make patrice Nov 2012 #21
The reality is that it's not cost effective enough for it to be a solution at this point. Pacafishmate Nov 2012 #32
Then you better... azbillyboy Nov 2012 #44
It being possible does not make it cost effective. Pacafishmate Nov 2012 #48
What costs are you counting? renie408 Nov 2012 #57
Producing solar panels is damaging to the environment as well. Pacafishmate Nov 2012 #63
Solar cells are made from crystalline silicon Loudestlib Nov 2012 #64
The newest solar panels use indium, tellurium and gallium. Pacafishmate Nov 2012 #66
CIGS? Who is mass producing those? Loudestlib Nov 2012 #71
Here is an article that discusses rare earth mining and environmental issues GitRDun Nov 2012 #72
Ok...top this... renie408 Nov 2012 #77
Sweet Jesus! azbillyboy Nov 2012 #124
Yeah, it's called 'Subsidies'. AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #46
That's what is often conveniently ignored klook Nov 2012 #58
It's measured in dollars... blackspade Nov 2012 #108
Small scale is more efficient. roody Nov 2012 #79
Your original claim was that solar power is to inefficient and inexpensive. drm604 Nov 2012 #96
So you consider a conspiracy to suppress solar energy the null hypothesis... Silent3 Nov 2012 #14
No. Actually, I just wanted to see the sources on those claims about economics etc. patrice Nov 2012 #24
It suggests no such thing Silent3 Nov 2012 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author AAO Nov 2012 #37
What assertion did I make? Silent3 Nov 2012 #41
Sorry - I was terribly confused. Pardon me, please! I will delete the offending post. AAO Nov 2012 #47
I need you to provide exactly what you're talking about & to quit trying to make the case that all patrice Nov 2012 #42
OK, what claim do you think I'm making? Silent3 Nov 2012 #49
Definately some voodoo going on tonight on this thread. AAO Nov 2012 #51
No. If one is shooting down an idea, there needs to be some factual support. AAO Nov 2012 #50
If you took away the subsidies that fossil fuels receive truebluegreen Nov 2012 #76
Thank you! Bookmarking your response. patrice Nov 2012 #82
Excellent, excellent post nt laundry_queen Nov 2012 #117
What you forget is that the more solar panels are produced, Curmudgeoness Nov 2012 #8
I'm all for solar. Pacafishmate Nov 2012 #18
It may or may not be exaggerated that all the world's energy Curmudgeoness Nov 2012 #28
Enough energy from our star... 99Forever Nov 2012 #104
Bingo ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #20
Economies of scale alfredo Nov 2012 #61
Try looking for reality, not propeganda quakerboy Nov 2012 #22
So environmental damage is ok, just as long as YOU or YOUR kids don't have to deal with it? Pacafishmate Nov 2012 #31
huhhhh? Loudestlib Nov 2012 #65
I challenge you to do the research quakerboy Nov 2012 #123
The truth is a most elusive thing in the alternative energy sphere ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #34
You funny. n/t Raine1967 Nov 2012 #35
Solar accounts for just .04% of U.S. power. Pacafishmate Nov 2012 #40
In 1850, how much did electricity contribute to US power? renie408 Nov 2012 #60
If you don't realize why that's a bad argument, there's little point arguing with you. DireStrike Nov 2012 #73
So you are a conspiracy theorist? Pacafishmate Nov 2012 #75
Huh? renie408 Nov 2012 #80
I'm saying that it isn't viable right now, duh. Pacafishmate Nov 2012 #83
No, that is actually NOT what you have been saying throughout this entire thread. renie408 Nov 2012 #84
What I've said all along is that as of right now solar is not viable for large scale utilization. Pacafishmate Nov 2012 #85
Your initial statement was that renie408 Nov 2012 #89
I still hold to my statement that at this time solar is not efficient enough Pacafishmate Nov 2012 #90
Have you ever watched "Who Killed the Electric Car?" LiberalLovinLug Nov 2012 #109
Big Oil Killed the Electric Car SariesNightly Nov 2012 #122
It depends on how you look at it, if in several years you have paid off your initial investment Quixote1818 Nov 2012 #120
There are many reasons besides a conspiracy that it might not have market share. DireStrike Nov 2012 #99
What a lame response. grahampuba Nov 2012 #100
"Too expensive and inefficient"..... Vanje Nov 2012 #43
Dude, there is no future in those things... renie408 Nov 2012 #81
Was not the same true as we shifted from horses to cars? JoePhilly Nov 2012 #53
I agree that it is still too expensive johnd83 Nov 2012 #56
Good job responding Pacafishmate. You stand your ground well. Festivito Nov 2012 #86
Oh really? I just had panels installed on my home... Javaman Nov 2012 #101
I support changing to solar, however, your post isnt a fair argument. rhett o rick Nov 2012 #118
So rebates are bad to get a new tech going? Javaman Nov 2012 #121
I didnt say anything of the sort. Shame on you for using that logical fallacy. rhett o rick Nov 2012 #125
Yes shame shame on me. Javaman Nov 2012 #127
So, exactly how much is breathable air worth to you? nt Zorra Nov 2012 #107
Wrong on four counts Ernest Partridge Nov 2012 #113
As I see it, he wasnt arguing against any of those items. rhett o rick Nov 2012 #119
The plan is.... dems_rightnow Nov 2012 #3
I read "can" as "could potentially..." ZombieHorde Nov 2012 #6
Snagged, thank you very much! patrice Nov 2012 #4
The moon can create enough free solar energy for the whole solar system Speck Tater Nov 2012 #7
Transmit it by microwaves Callmecrazy Nov 2012 #26
The day that starts happening I will build a Faraday cage around my house Speck Tater Nov 2012 #62
Callmecrazy, U Crazy! reACTIONary Nov 2012 #92
Can they make them affordably enough to put on every roof-top? lonestarnot Nov 2012 #9
Yes, it was already done. Patents were bought and you never heard from them again. n/t Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #13
If true, please post the patent numbers. There are no secret patents unless they are classified by ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #16
While one can make the argument that every little bit helps, the higher latitudes ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #27
tell that to germany. BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #87
Germany does not have any place like the American southwest ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #105
EXACTLY- just imagine how much power we could generate all along the southern latitudes. BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #111
The key issue is infrastructure ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #114
I was wrong. They do have it and products are entering the consumer market now. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #115
K&R Nevada and Arizona can easily handle North America. Ditto. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #11
Enough wind potential in US to supply 15 times more electricity than we use ErikJ Nov 2012 #15
To the naysayers: If we put as much cash into solar and wind as we do a war Whovian Nov 2012 #17
And here endeth the thread. Archaic Nov 2012 #59
Plus 1000 Whovian Nov 2012 #67
An easy soundbite, but unfortunately not even close to true ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #19
Okay, tell me why transmission lines can't be re-routed? Whovian Nov 2012 #25
It more than just rerouted...there is a dramatic needed for increased lines ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #30
Don't we need to upgrade the grid as it is? Loudestlib Nov 2012 #68
Depends on the concept we end up with ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #103
wind turbines in Willard NM womanofthehills Nov 2012 #38
gotta steal that picture! rurallib Nov 2012 #23
Note - The Dark Side of 'The Cloud'. SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2012 #29
How do we save it and ship it over to the US? An electric grid in outer space? AAO Nov 2012 #36
So very true. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #39
They're going to power Africa eventually. The PTB be damned. joshcryer Nov 2012 #52
What they are speaking of jonthebru Nov 2012 #69
What a load of crap jmowreader Nov 2012 #91
Two videos regarding SOLAR that I recommend everyone watch, below Tx4obama Nov 2012 #93
K&R defacto7 Nov 2012 #94
Solar is only part of the solution, we will still need large power generators for industry pediatricmedic Nov 2012 #95
Not today... ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #102
i'm skeptical Enrique Nov 2012 #110
Whow! Who discovered it was very sunny in North Africa? RedCloud Nov 2012 #116
K&R woo me with science Nov 2012 #128
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