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Thu Jan 19, 2012, 04:46 PM

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105. Yes. It is truly unbelievable. nt

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Every day I marvel at how poor and middle class Republicans vote against their self-interests [View all]	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	OP
I think it is also a bit of this	nykym	Jan 2012	#1
Great quote, but I'm not sure I would include 'most men.' I'd say, 'stupid men' (and women) nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#7
But the problem is that not all of them are stupid. Many are even well educated, but	Liberal_Stalwart71	Jan 2012	#89
I have John Dean's book, Conservatives Without Conscience, and it is spectacular! I couldn't put it	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#94
Thanks for helping me with the right book title. "Conscience of a Conservative" was the book	Liberal_Stalwart71	Jan 2012	#99
No, thank you for directing me to The Family. And any others like that.	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#101
maybe that has alot to do with it	leftyohiolib	Jan 2012	#22
Both sides tend to stereotype the other..	Fumesucker	Jan 2012	#2
I'm not so sure. I got quite close to a right wingnut, and he really has no ability to discuss	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#10
I thought that was you..	Fumesucker	Jan 2012	#21
Yes, that was me. And what flips me out is their unwillingness to even discuss anything that	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#24
If I remember though, he was not really middle class	hfojvt	Jan 2012	#62
Where do you place yourself on the political spectrum? nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#68
political compass says -6.12, -1.59	hfojvt	Jan 2012	#82
Ok. nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#85
A combination of guilt, shame, and wounded pride	Mopar151	Jan 2012	#88
Anti-intellectual roots run deep in this country...	Bigmack	Jan 2012	#3
Thank you for posting this. Pathetic, though, isn't it? The upholding of ignorance as the ideal.	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#11
And you will continue to "marvel"	kctim	Jan 2012	#4
Well, I guess that they have	hifiguy	Jan 2012	#13
Really depends who is defining	kctim	Jan 2012	#25
Very pretty, but 1 out of 6 Americans living in poverty, is not a state of mind or an opinion. nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#37
you mean the "far left"	newspeak	Jan 2012	#65
+1	Wind Dancer	Jan 2012	#77
Exactly! Nazi Germany backed Hitler because they believed the propaganda and fear	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#116
I agree. nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#35
Please elaborate. nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#14
Are people who	kctim	Jan 2012	#27
There is an actual human being	hifiguy	Jan 2012	#40
Absolutely! You explained it much better than I ever could've. nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#48
So you are saying	kctim	Jan 2012	#86
I am more than willing to infringe on the "rights"	hifiguy	Jan 2012	#91
People with wealth	kctim	Jan 2012	#103
See my post #93. nt	hifiguy	Jan 2012	#104
If we are indeed in a representative republic, there's no representation if the 1%	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#115
There is not 'if' about it, we are indeed a representative republic	kctim	Jan 2012	#127
That document is quite lovely, but if the 1% is ruling (which it is) something has to CHANGE	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#128
I respect your opinion	kctim	Jan 2012	#130
Fine, but expect me to stand against symbols being used to protect the 1%,	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#131
Placing the rich and corporations before citizens is NOT protecting rights and freedoms	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#47
The people you are condemning in your post	kctim	Jan 2012	#87
One slight difference you willfully overlook:	hifiguy	Jan 2012	#93
Interesting that you put 'all' in bold	kctim	Jan 2012	#106
Not at all. A couple of personal friends are in the 1%	hifiguy	Jan 2012	#107
you mean individual freedom like pro-choice?	newspeak	Jan 2012	#69
Yes, like REAL pro-choice though	kctim	Jan 2012	#90
Bullshit beliefs such as that abortion is the primary issue is bullshit	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#117
I was referring to actually being pro-choice, not being pro-abortion	kctim	Jan 2012	#120
hitler outlawed abortion	newspeak	Jan 2012	#122
He also did away with private ownership of weapons	kctim	Jan 2012	#126
Against what you THINK their self-interests are	cthulu2016	Jan 2012	#5
Yes, but in all honesty, they're cutting off their nose to spite their face. A sign of stupidity.	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#6
unfortunately a lot of them vote against their own interests because they buy the GOP line about	WI_DEM	Jan 2012	#8
That's part of what they adore: having an enemy. nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#23
Tree of knowledge is bad. Bad, I say!	stillwaiting	Jan 2012	#9
It is an aversion, but NOT all countries feel or think this way. That's why I'm amazed at these	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#16
Go read "Anti-Intellectualism in American Life"	MicaelS	Jan 2012	#12
Why...What are the reasons? who noes these daze;...me thinks its laziness coupled with	opihimoimoi	Jan 2012	#15
Pitiful really... and scary in the implications for the future.	BeHereNow	Jan 2012	#17
Yup. What concerns me too is that this anti-education philosophy seems to run deep nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#19
Pol Pot killed off people who wore glasses because they were educated.	BeHereNow	Jan 2012	#38
Yes, same anti-intellectualism. The glorification of ignorance by the right wing is astounding.	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#39
simple	Mr Dixon	Jan 2012	#18
The American Dream? Amazing. More like The American Nightmare is what they believe in. nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#20
Bad news. Those weren't all Republicans who voted for Reagan twice	NNN0LHI	Jan 2012	#26
Maybe so, but the bulk of those who vote Republican, ARE Republican. nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#30
Google: Is Something Really Wrong With Kansas?	libinnyandia	Jan 2012	#28
This is true. That's why Repukes block the black vote, because these are far more aware of reality	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#34
How about old people that vote republican?	taught_me_patience	Jan 2012	#29
True. I never blame old people, though, because old people have a miserably scary life in the U.S.	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#32
Maybe middle class and poor live in fear too.	taught_me_patience	Jan 2012	#123
well, just viewing my in laws	newspeak	Jan 2012	#124
They're either self interests or they're not	The2ndWheel	Jan 2012	#31
Not really. They vote in favor of corporate interests and those of the wealthy, neither of which	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#33
Most American voters vote against their self interest.	ZombieHorde	Jan 2012	#36
There's no big mystery, it IS simply because they are stupid asses	just1voice	Jan 2012	#41
That's how I see it, but the mega-wealthy push this idea of anti-intellectualism until the	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#46
Great article	DeathToTheOil	Jan 2012	#42
No article, really. It's just my observations of Republicans, based on my observations of them	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#45
Republicans vote with their "Black Heart" and not their Brain	postatomic	Jan 2012	#43
They vote without using their brain. nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#44
i marvel at how they see the right wing politicians as the good guys....	spanone	Jan 2012	#49
I know. It's like thinking up is down, and bad is good. All screwed up. nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#50
A working American voting Republicon is like a chicken voting for Col. Sanders.	ErikJ	Jan 2012	#51
It is. Voting against one's own self interests is just plain stupid. nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#56
Large family-the math dummies are now Republicon	ErikJ	Jan 2012	#52
The 5 with bad grades are right wing extremists?	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#55
The book, "What's the Matter with Kansas"? explains this craziness	young_at_heart	Jan 2012	#53
You're right. Which is why Occupy is so important - it brings capitalism into discussion	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#54
No, they don't.	Honeycombe8	Jan 2012	#57
"Freedom from federal government" is a propaganda tactic, and not based on reality	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#58
That's what YOU think. That's not what THEY think.	Honeycombe8	Jan 2012	#59
I will never forget a PBS documentary I saw once which dealt with the homeless and their problems	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#60
And by the way, the Ayn Randish form of thinking is bullshit propaganda, beloved by corporations	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#61
Back in college, we called them "Randroids"	KamaAina	Jan 2012	#63
Randroids is an ideal name for them. Randroids worship at the Church of Ayn Rand,	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#67
it seems that little boots	newspeak	Jan 2012	#79
in the land of snap judgments: emotions trump thought, style over substance.	NuttyFluffers	Jan 2012	#64
Pressed for time? nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#66
I think what the other poster is referring to	Proud Liberal Dem	Jan 2012	#72
That's true. Americans are so much busier and work so much harder than in Europe,	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#74
The Republicans have redefined "elitism"	Proud Liberal Dem	Jan 2012	#70
Exactly! Repukes have perfected the propaganda that ignorance is something to strive for. nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#84
Racism seems to have a lot to do with it.	hunter	Jan 2012	#71
You make a very good point, and the biggest ideals of the GOP are based on racism,	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#83
Simple - it's the 3-Gs	LynneSin	Jan 2012	#73
How did you avoid having that message ingrained in your mind?	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#80
Well you should not be surprised	mstinamotorcity	Jan 2012	#75
This is true. :) nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#76
I think it has more to do with values	booley	Jan 2012	#78
Everyone has priorities. Doesn't mean they're good priorities. Even pedophiles have priorities.	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#81
It's not priorities	booley	Jan 2012	#110
yeah, well in my philosophy class	newspeak	Jan 2012	#125
The Dems no longer know how to appeal to working-class people	Lydia Leftcoast	Jan 2012	#92
You think so? I wish I could believe that. :( nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#95
It would be interesting to find out exactly who the 50% who don't vote are	Lydia Leftcoast	Jan 2012	#108
That's what kept me changing my party for affiliation so long	Populist_Prole	Jan 2012	#121
It's not a mystery. "Values" trump "interests" for many voters now.	ClassWarrior	Jan 2012	#96
Thanks! I hadn't heard of Don't Think of an Elephant, but I just read a review on it, and it seems	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#102
Moral Politics is also good	booley	Jan 2012	#111
Oooh... that's the big one. I have started "Metaphors We Live By"...	ClassWarrior	Jan 2012	#112
Glad to help, Sarah. "Elephant" is a pretty easy read. It's essentially...	ClassWarrior	Jan 2012	#113
Opiate	MNBrewer	Jan 2012	#97
For the most part.	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#100
By the way, I seem to have a fan base of Repigs. If you do a search on the Internet for	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#98
Yes. It is truly unbelievable. nt	Zorra	Jan 2012	#105
You mean.....?	graywarrior	Jan 2012	#109
corporate media hegemony	arely staircase	Jan 2012	#114
I have given up any desire to compromise with republicans.	bluestate10	Jan 2012	#118
Absolutely they're traitors. They're the opposite of anything they claim to be	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#119
That because poor and middle class repubs have different interest.	SpartanDem	Jan 2012	#129

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