General Discussion

jeff47

(26,549 posts)

24. It's a two-way street

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 01:04 PM

Nov 2012

There's lots of employers complaining they can't find good employees....but those employers refuse to pay higher wages.

You get what you pay for. Including employees.

So you get employers paying crappy wages, keeping people in poverty. Those same employers then complain that their employees have the problems of the poor.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

102 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Why Walmart is the leader in low wages? [View all] nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 OP

du rec. nt xchrom Nov 2012 #1

Who do you demand higher wages from when they automate your job away? dkf Nov 2012 #2

Whoosh!!!!! nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #4

But in an economy where your labor is of no value it is impossible to build capital. Fumesucker Nov 2012 #9

Ideas, innovation, and things that cannot be replaced by technology will be of value. dkf Nov 2012 #13

Ideas are a dime a dozen in hundred dozen lots Fumesucker Nov 2012 #17

Well if you are talking about a society that far advanced we probably need a small sliver dkf Nov 2012 #19

Some smallish percentage of the population will be creative no matter what Fumesucker Nov 2012 #21

re: walmart's pricing leftyohiolib Nov 2012 #3

I am talking of the excuses nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #6

I never find all that great deals at Walmart and I like the clothes at Target much better. dkf Nov 2012 #20

Anti-union, are you? WinkyDink Nov 2012 #33

That's pretty damn clear. BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #45

If MJJP21 Nov 2012 #54

You hear it from nearly all conservatives rich, poor and in between. liberal N proud Nov 2012 #5

In church no less nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #8

But we have to pay CEOs as much as possible, so they will work harder... arcane1 Nov 2012 #7

That old saying of eyes of the needle nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #10

Disagree, Walmart is more competitive because it uses labor more efficiently, buys from suppliers at jody Nov 2012 #11

Yes I would have it another way nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #12

You do understand that if government imposed your "living wage" aka minimum wage that jody Nov 2012 #15

I suggest you read this carefully nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #29

Please read my statement again very carefully. nt jody Nov 2012 #61

What you used are heritage foundation talking points nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #64

ROFL! I was going to reply with a challenge worthy of academic discourse but I realize it would jody Nov 2012 #67

They did set the theory of value though nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #77

"Would you have it any other way?" Why, yes, yes I would prefer something other than Walmart Capi- WinkyDink Nov 2012 #34

Anyone including you is free to compete with Walmart and force it out of business with lower prices jody Nov 2012 #62

well i don't know about usung labor more efficiently, blondie58 Nov 2012 #50

Do you object to the stores from which you purchase products, buying from their lowest supplier and jody Nov 2012 #63

I love heritage foundation talking points in the afternoon. nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #82

LOL you could enhance your education by studying something other than the "heritage foundation" to jody Nov 2012 #83

So now you are reduced to personal attacks? nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #85

More laughs, have a blissful evening. nt jody Nov 2012 #88

You are the one who assumed I had little training in the social sciences nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #90

Walmart started out in rural areas where wages and living costs are both lower than average FarCenter Nov 2012 #14

The poor are poor because they don't have the skills we pay a premium for. dkf Nov 2012 #16

aka supply versus demand. nt jody Nov 2012 #18

Exactly. I know it's an unappealing thought that we aren't treasured as individuals, dkf Nov 2012 #23

Funny how some ignore those basic facts when watching professional athletes perform and receive jody Nov 2012 #65

It's a two-way street jeff47 Nov 2012 #24

Thank you for the new age version of the OP nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #32

Degree in what? Is that something an employer would benefit from and is looking for? dkf Nov 2012 #37

You really need to do some homework nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #41

I've read your posts to this thread and you evade the obvious by trying to dismiss the post with jody Nov 2012 #66

erm, pardon me jody OxQQme Nov 2012 #76

How would you simplify the economic challenges that every society faces? What is the relevance of jody Nov 2012 #78

Now you insert eugenics? nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #79

Another evasion, soon readers will conclude you are incapable of answering simple questions. nt jody Nov 2012 #81

No, not an evasion nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #84

Only idots would reach that conclusion. Why don't you address the thoughtful posts to your OP? nt jody Nov 2012 #86

Another personal attack nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #87

Goodbye. nt jody Nov 2012 #89

Putting me on ignore? nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #91

So, it's okay if eventually the only employees are Amazonian aborigines? WinkyDink Nov 2012 #35

What does it matter if its "okay" or not? dkf Nov 2012 #40

Master, give me less. nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #42

Check out some of the postings on this thread: raccoon Nov 2012 #97

That's why there should be labor laws in place to protect the people. 2ndAmForComputers Nov 2012 #98

Really? Prove up your claim. flvegan Nov 2012 #100

It's common sense. Why else would a person get paid less? dkf Nov 2012 #101

You know what, I'm going to leave this here. flvegan Nov 2012 #102

You are so correct. jwirr Nov 2012 #22

Absolutely. The discussion is framed in corporate and capitalistic terms Gman Nov 2012 #25

Nailed it nadin. Class warfare from the top is ancient and we must unite against it in our hearts. freshwest Nov 2012 #26

If anything it is class warfare from within. People choose where they shop and what they buy. dkf Nov 2012 #28

Well, aren't we special... nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #31

So the problems of Capitalism lie with the CONSUMER! All-righty, then. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #38

Actually, it's deeper than that. 99Forever Nov 2012 #27

Realize in the Elizabethan age most were poor nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #30

I think they'd prefer that we did not live. Period. Too many people. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #39

Only if we buy into it with our egos. That's our fault, not theirs. We don't have to buy it. freshwest Nov 2012 #36

"We?" 99Forever Nov 2012 #53

'We' is a general term. 'We' are not trapped and weak. 'Crap' is a challenge, not a life sentence. freshwest Nov 2012 #55

Ahhh yes... 99Forever Nov 2012 #56

You don't know me, or how badly I was beaten down. For some of us, there is only up. freshwest Nov 2012 #58

One part of the problem is that most people SheilaT Nov 2012 #43

It is not just the leader in low wages pandr32 Nov 2012 #44

It's probably only the leader because it has the MOST employees at low salaries. ancianita Nov 2012 #46

We need to do what Adam Smith suggested... nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #47

Agreed. Here's a map of WalMart salaries relative to minimum wages in states. ancianita Nov 2012 #48

The number of hours counts too TexasBushwhacker Nov 2012 #95

Too true. countmyvote4real Nov 2012 #49

That's a myth. K-Mart is CONSISTENTLY lower in prices than WalMart. HopeHoops Nov 2012 #51

I am talking of a general attitude by the rich to keep the poor nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #57

No argument there. That's their entire purpose. Suck money out of the system. HopeHoops Nov 2012 #59

"morons fall for it"? You condemn DUers who buy from WalMart over K-Mart for that reason. nt jody Nov 2012 #68

Well, WalMart does run a scam with the prices and people fall for it - DUers or not. HopeHoops Nov 2012 #70

Any idea how many of those morons are DUers? nt jody Nov 2012 #71

I doubt very many. It just doesn't fit the member profiles. Most are freepers. HopeHoops Nov 2012 #72

Don't all DUers who buy from WalMart qualify as morons in some little way? nt jody Nov 2012 #73

Well I know I do. HopeHoops Nov 2012 #96

As do I. Prices are competitive, service excellent, and excellent selection from items stocked. nt jody Nov 2012 #99

yep libodem Nov 2012 #52

K&R! Calvinism certainly is part of it. backscatter712 Nov 2012 #60

The problem is that they have become such a big employer union_maid Nov 2012 #69

This betrays a much simpler reason Major Nikon Nov 2012 #74

Yes, but I am talking of the philosophical underpinnings of this nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #80

I honestly don't think they put that much thought into it Major Nikon Nov 2012 #92

It is not the though process nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #93

I think you are being kind. The healthcare issue..let them die in the streets...is even more cynical libdem4life Nov 2012 #75

Because people expect it. More specifically, they're not fighting it when it's given to them. Brickbat Nov 2012 #94