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msanthrope

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9. No, he's not. The GOP doesn't want more federal clerkships. They want a slowed judiciary,

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 05:10 AM

Nov 2012

one where it takes years and years to sue a corporation; one where it takes years to have a criminal appeal heard while defendants languish.

Federal dockets are increasing, not decreasing.

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Federal Judge Announces Wageless Job Opening, Calls Working for Free a 'Moral Commitment' [View all] HiPointDem Nov 2012 OP

This asshole is an Obama appointee. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #1

Actually, this is a great thing..... msanthrope Nov 2012 #6

...and WalMart has the lowest prices... and "that's just the way things are..." dogknob Nov 2012 #7

Are you comparing Ivy League law school grads with Walmart workers? Oh, please--- msanthrope Nov 2012 #8

I did a year internship AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #12

Did you feel coerced? Or did you think you benefited from the choices you made? msanthrope Nov 2012 #17

No coercion at all AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #64

We are required to do two for my grad program. I'm glad to get the experience and we get hired. Michigan Alum Nov 2012 #25

I did two internships, too. I was lucky to have a supportive spouse. Had I not, I would msanthrope Nov 2012 #44

They're graduating with over $100K in debt Sanity Claws Nov 2012 #35

Not all of them, and the loans are held in abeyance. You have to fill out the paperwork, but msanthrope Nov 2012 #40

They don't have to pay it in this position jberryhill Nov 2012 #59

I was comparing them to WalMart SHOPPERS. dogknob Nov 2012 #39

That's a comparison that makes less sense. msanthrope Nov 2012 #45

You are either not understanding or avoiding the point. dogknob Nov 2012 #50

Excuse me???? That is some racist, horrible shit right there!!!! You are speaking to a msanthrope Nov 2012 #55

Ah. Racism. The great debate ender. dogknob Nov 2012 #66

Um, you were the one who brought race into it AlexSatan Nov 2012 #84

Come to New York to meet thousands of unemployed... JackRiddler Nov 2012 #105

Speaking as someone who is planning on starting law school in about two years... white_wolf Nov 2012 #67

Where are you planning on going? Yeah, opportunities like this are rare. nt msanthrope Nov 2012 #68

There are few schools I'm looking at seriously. white_wolf Nov 2012 #69

Think of what you want to do afterwards before you pick a law school. msanthrope Nov 2012 #70

But You Have To Admit, It's A Financial Barrier wellst0nev0ter Nov 2012 #77

Working for free makes it difficult for cash strapped students to get these lucrative positions liberal N proud Nov 2012 #76

Not being paid = not being, you know, HIRED. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #101

As a third-year law student, I vehemently disagree democrattotheend Nov 2012 #107

Let's be honest here....do you have the chops to make msanthrope Nov 2012 #108

I got some interviews for federal district court democrattotheend Nov 2012 #109

How much does the fellowship pay? Would you seriously turn down the offer msanthrope Nov 2012 #110

How is any human being supposed to be able to predict treestar Nov 2012 #79

This guy is representative of what the GOP wants to do to America. ZM90 Nov 2012 #2

No, he's not. The GOP doesn't want more federal clerkships. They want a slowed judiciary, msanthrope Nov 2012 #9

As an attorney, I don't have a problem with this, and neither will the majority of my profession. msanthrope Nov 2012 #3

Well one thing that's wrong with marybourg Nov 2012 #30

If they're doing the work then they need to be paid for it. Period. Sirveri Nov 2012 #83

Does that apply to all volunteer work AlexSatan Nov 2012 #85

Typically yes, with very few exceptions. Sirveri Nov 2012 #86

OK, so I'll be sure AlexSatan Nov 2012 #102

Yes, paying people to do work when at 8% unemployment is a GOOD thing Sirveri Nov 2012 #103

Yep, just as paying someone to put a bathroom in my basement AlexSatan Nov 2012 #104

Is it possible he's just trying to con Uncle Sam for covering the cost of this Volaris Nov 2012 #4

Every federal judge needs a third or fourth law clerk. But why is he wrong to offer an unpaid msanthrope Nov 2012 #5

Since I was not aware of the numbers involved, Volaris Nov 2012 #74

For shame! Very specifically, one of the government institutions JDPriestly Nov 2012 #10

Only trust funders can do it. why stop with free work; maybe 'apprentices' should HiPointDem Nov 2012 #11

Since you find trust-funders objectionable, then why not have them work for free? msanthrope Nov 2012 #15

People who aren't trust funders have no shot at the job. nt valerief Nov 2012 #20

Especially the lowly Walmart workers who shouldn't even be lumped together with these people... nt Comrade_McKenzie Nov 2012 #22

Walmart "associates" and baby lawyers shouldn't be lumped together because the former have much less msanthrope Nov 2012 #48

That's simply not true. Your hiring isn't dependent on your finances, but on your msanthrope Nov 2012 #23

It may be that one's finances don't factor into one's employability Orrex Nov 2012 #26

I don't disagree that they should be paid, but if Congress isn't going to up the number of clerks msanthrope Nov 2012 #41

Exactly!!!! forestpath Nov 2012 #47

Your student loans go into abeyance if you are on an internship..all you have to do is file the msanthrope Nov 2012 #13

In my life I have met no one who would turn down a starting salary of $45K Orrex Nov 2012 #28

I think you misunderstand me. There are people who can't afford to take the 45k clerkship-- msanthrope Nov 2012 #31

Clarify, please Orrex Nov 2012 #38

Certainly--- msanthrope Nov 2012 #42

But when you place your loans in abeyance, interest accrues. JDPriestly Nov 2012 #91

Technical question from an interested layperson: what work do clerks do coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #92

This probably doesn't violate the FLSA TomClash Nov 2012 #14

But--they aren't 'new lawyers.' Most of them are law students, graduated, who have not yet taken msanthrope Nov 2012 #16

Federal clerkships are two years TomClash Nov 2012 #24

The article clearly states it is a one-year internship. The clerkships are still paid, and they do msanthrope Nov 2012 #29

It is true that lawyers should not get special treatment TomClash Nov 2012 #36

No government internships??? Do you know how many people that would affect in the PHS and NIH msanthrope Nov 2012 #43

If other clerks for federal judges are paid, then ALL BlueMTexpat Nov 2012 #18

Clearly this is an idea that can help cut the cost of government and hence taxes Fumesucker Nov 2012 #32

You do realize that I believe that this "judge" is deficient in his study of the law. BlueMTexpat Nov 2012 #72

msanthrope seems to be of the opinion that there are many unpaid official federal positions Fumesucker Nov 2012 #75

This is the only BlueMTexpat Nov 2012 #87

Let's start with Congress! eridani Nov 2012 #89

You should put that up as an OP Fumesucker Nov 2012 #94

I John2 Nov 2012 #34

IMO, he should be firmly and swiftly smacked down. eom BlueMTexpat Nov 2012 #73

So you have to come from a family that has enough money to support you in order valerief Nov 2012 #19

Are all governmental internships to be done away with, or do you only wish to protect msanthrope Nov 2012 #27

I think many of us are unaware that there are a lot of unpaid government workers Fumesucker Nov 2012 #33

You were unaware of government internships? Really? nt msanthrope Nov 2012 #49

Hey, I already told you I'm insufficiently cynical Fumesucker Nov 2012 #57

There are a lot of unpaid government titled interns. Chan790 Nov 2012 #82

You do realize I was mostly being sardonic in the post to which you replied? Fumesucker Nov 2012 #95

Sounds like the old system of Pupillage in the British Bar intaglio Nov 2012 #21

It's hard to understand union_maid Nov 2012 #37

A very great many of us can't even see the comment. Occulus Nov 2012 #51

Oh, Occulus...let's have a reality check here..... msanthrope Nov 2012 #58

Lemme explain---I am one of those horrible Democrats who spent Election Day working as an attorney msanthrope Nov 2012 #52

I think this is outrageous and that NOBODY would be defending it if he was a BUSH appointee. forestpath Nov 2012 #46

I would have been fine with a Bush appointee suggesting it. nt msanthrope Nov 2012 #53

Employees deserve to be paid fairly for their work. And an intern is an EMPLOYEE... forestpath Nov 2012 #65

Wait -- so he's going to pay two, but not the third? Brickbat Nov 2012 #54

Yep--and you will have hundreds of applicants for each internship, because that moves you msanthrope Nov 2012 #56

So everyone who volunteered for the Obama campaign is "stupid" jberryhill Nov 2012 #60

I guess I was stupid to work as a lawyer for free for the campaign!!!! msanthrope Nov 2012 #62

Betting you had other employment income to live on eridani Nov 2012 #90

I agree. I would find it very un-motivating treestar Nov 2012 #80

Why are you posting a misogynist law prof who likes to complain about the % of women msanthrope Nov 2012 #61

Wow you did a great job explaining wages/experience benefits 1/2 dozen times... kooljerk666 Nov 2012 #71

Fucking 1%ers and their shysters... 99Forever Nov 2012 #63

Interns working in congressional offices work for $0. Jumping John Nov 2012 #78

I really think this is a non-controversy union_maid Nov 2012 #81

It's a non-controversy in the private sector. BlueMTexpat Nov 2012 #88

But that's just not true union_maid Nov 2012 #96

It is true with respect to a federal judicial clerkship. BlueMTexpat Nov 2012 #100

Federal internships site union_maid Nov 2012 #98

Federal judicial clerkships are paid positions. BlueMTexpat Nov 2012 #99

Why doesn't this judge make a moral commitment Ken Burch Nov 2012 #93

Firstly, you don't know that union_maid Nov 2012 #97

Martinez didn't invent internships, but he's introducing the idea to the public sector... Ken Burch Nov 2012 #106