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Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
82. What you 'believe' and the way you 'feel' about it
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 03:25 PM
Nov 2012

Is all well and good, but I'll stick with the science, thanks.

I think beliefs and feelings are better saved for things like church and personal relationships.

History shows again and again how nature points up the folly of men slackmaster Nov 2012 #1
Oh no, there goes Tokyo ... dawg Nov 2012 #54
How do you know if Godzilla is in the room with you? tblue37 Nov 2012 #169
Faith my friend faith. RegieRocker Nov 2012 #217
Modifying food is wrong, but modifying the atmosphere isn't? immoderate Nov 2012 #2
So you don't consider man made CO2 a polllutant? RegieRocker Nov 2012 #4
I do. How did you infer otherwise from my post? immoderate Nov 2012 #10
"pretty well" aletier_v Nov 2012 #32
Do you have a point? immoderate Nov 2012 #265
Come on you know very well RegieRocker Nov 2012 #37
"They are harming our biosphere" NoOneMan Nov 2012 #146
Acidifying the oceans.... Viking12 Nov 2012 #148
Totally true NoOneMan Nov 2012 #149
I might have misread your intention. immoderate Nov 2012 #267
Thank you for this. RegieRocker Nov 2012 #274
I nominate this thread for a DUzy! AAO Nov 2012 #298
It would have been more factual RegieRocker Nov 2012 #359
The graph, like the site it came from is garbage. AAO Nov 2012 #366
You are truncating the data Nederland Nov 2012 #462
Ok... nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #3
1. Scientists aren't "little people." 2. It's "to tax you and ME," not "I." 3. It's impossible to WinkyDink Nov 2012 #5
I don't prefer either RegieRocker Nov 2012 #7
I agree with most of what you write. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #6
You and I are pretty much on the same page, R.D. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #253
Agnostic about human caused warming? NoOneMan Nov 2012 #8
Yes I am RegieRocker Nov 2012 #15
There are some things I agree with you on.... NoOneMan Nov 2012 #33
Yes but your model is already broken... aletier_v Nov 2012 #35
That is b.s. RegieRocker Nov 2012 #47
Why have you adopted the Republican position on climate change? AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #372
LOL RegieRocker Nov 2012 #382
We don't adopt republican policies, no AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #417
And most democrats RegieRocker Nov 2012 #423
What "far left" ideology? AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #447
OP got locked out of the thread XemaSab Nov 2012 #448
Imagine that AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #449
I believe this is more accurate: Nederland Nov 2012 #463
I don't proclaim to have a model NoOneMan Nov 2012 #50
Not all historians agree that the Holocaust happened Nevernose Nov 2012 #45
Yes, all HISTORIANS do. Nutcase fringe writers? Not so much. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #196
So everyone is a nut RegieRocker Nov 2012 #202
everyone that denies the holocaust, evolution, and the human influence on climate is Viking12 Nov 2012 #205
The human influence on climate RegieRocker Nov 2012 #213
WTF are you babbling about? Viking12 Nov 2012 #218
No that was you from the begining RegieRocker Nov 2012 #220
I think maybe you missed my point Nevernose Nov 2012 #273
Holocaust Denial on DU? obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #413
"when has taxing made anything better?" noamnety Nov 2012 #69
This post is not about that RegieRocker Nov 2012 #96
How does one inforce your very good idea that. pangaia Nov 2012 #182
Tax breaks RegieRocker Nov 2012 #188
What other proven science don't you believe in? edhopper Nov 2012 #9
There's evidence that warming is happening aletier_v Nov 2012 #24
Well I guess you haven't read edhopper Nov 2012 #78
Here ya go - from the good folks in the E/E Forum... jpak Nov 2012 #244
Check out the Scripps Institute for Oceanography website for starts. JDPriestly Nov 2012 #321
"Proven science" is a major oxymoron!!! Proof only exists in mathematics and logic... yawnmaster Nov 2012 #478
Popperesque drivel nt/ edhopper Nov 2012 #487
Actually not drivel at all. I am seeing a lack of the understanding of the scientific process... yawnmaster Nov 2012 #493
It's time we started banning people who say they are agnostic about human-made global warming. limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #11
+1 XemaSab Nov 2012 #110
I think we should ban people who teacher-bash & labor-bash too. Doubt that HiPointDem Nov 2012 #190
just curious why would you rec this garbage? grantcart Nov 2012 #420
Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #424
Global warming denial isn't just for the RW anymore n/t ProSense Nov 2012 #460
There is nothing 'agnostic' in his positions AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #378
if you don't understand something, that doesn't make it not true CreekDog Nov 2012 #12
there are many uncertainties around the subject quinnox Nov 2012 #13
That is an intelligent reply RegieRocker Nov 2012 #17
The source for that reply is not a very good one. JDPriestly Nov 2012 #323
"we can't be certain that human behavior is contributing..." NoOneMan Nov 2012 #20
Yes, it could easily be coincidence aletier_v Nov 2012 #25
Which part is a coincidence? NoOneMan Nov 2012 #40
You have no direct proof, you have correlation aletier_v Nov 2012 #42
Where does all man's carbon go then? NoOneMan Nov 2012 #53
really, correlation is all the evidence there is? Viking12 Nov 2012 #99
Yes, it's not like CO2's properties include trapping heat energy from longwave radiation . . . . hatrack Nov 2012 #139
But does 30 billion tons a year of CO2 released in the atmosphere actually end up in the atmosphere? NoOneMan Nov 2012 #141
CO2 PPM goes up. joshcryer Nov 2012 #308
Incredibly so NoOneMan Nov 2012 #330
That is what the cigarette companies said about JDPriestly Nov 2012 #328
Wouldn't "extrapolation" be the correct term? MH1 Nov 2012 #470
You can't "prove" causation. immoderate Nov 2012 #270
Driving drunk merely correlates with having an accident. JDPriestly Nov 2012 #331
I think you misread me. immoderate Nov 2012 #345
CO2 absorbs infared radiation. That is physical reality. joshcryer Nov 2012 #307
What an ignorant crock 'o shite - really jpak Nov 2012 #245
"It isn't a topic I have done much research on" joshcryer Nov 2012 #305
Something I remember from California The Straight Story Nov 2012 #14
Very true. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #263
My opinion... sarisataka Nov 2012 #16
My post unequivocally stated RegieRocker Nov 2012 #19
Not sure about how I would be taxed sarisataka Nov 2012 #28
Exactly RegieRocker Nov 2012 #48
The only people I see get this lathered up over taxes are usually republicans. AAO Nov 2012 #300
That's kind of my take on it too aletier_v Nov 2012 #30
We could have a lot of control of India and China if we JDPriestly Nov 2012 #333
Watch the recent PBS two part special about the Dust Bowl.... WCGreen Nov 2012 #18
I did when it first showed RegieRocker Nov 2012 #22
Rush is that you? Viking12 Nov 2012 #21
You don't know Rush do you? RegieRocker Nov 2012 #23
Nice dodge. Viking12 Nov 2012 #27
Don't accuse someone of your RegieRocker Nov 2012 #58
So you're economically illiterate too? Viking12 Nov 2012 #92
That would be you RegieRocker Nov 2012 #104
You're the one that doesn't know how taxation works as a policy tool. Viking12 Nov 2012 #109
No you don't. RegieRocker Nov 2012 #125
I guess you won that argument! AAO Nov 2012 #301
The whole point of taxing polluting substances is to JDPriestly Nov 2012 #335
So, tax cuts will cure global warming? AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #381
No the tax breaks RegieRocker Nov 2012 #383
Your "pollutants are bad" argument AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #391
I've been around RegieRocker Nov 2012 #396
Again AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #403
don't hold your breath. Javaman Nov 2012 #472
Pull your head out of the sand AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #26
Don't live on the beach and RegieRocker Nov 2012 #51
It's a metaphor AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #74
Very few are denying that it is RegieRocker Nov 2012 #84
Mitt Romney: ‘We Don’t Know What’s Causing Climate Change On This Planet’ AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #131
That is b.s. RegieRocker Nov 2012 #137
No it is not. I hope your pizza is served piping hot! AAO Nov 2012 #302
What is BS? AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #371
No i havent that simply isn't true RegieRocker Nov 2012 #374
You are doing a pisspoor job of hiding it AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #399
No no no RegieRocker Nov 2012 #402
You are convinced AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #406
"I'm not saying the CC & GW isn't true. I simply stated I do not believe." Javaman Nov 2012 #474
So "the smart ones" to you exclude the group known as "scientists"? WinkyDink Nov 2012 #201
Well it's guaranteed it's not the smart RegieRocker Nov 2012 #203
... War Horse Nov 2012 #29
Love that video! longship Nov 2012 #41
Got as far as 28 sec RegieRocker Nov 2012 #55
Too bad. That video was made especially for you. You should watch to the end. Matariki Nov 2012 #254
Don't worry. He has republo-facts. And Rush and Sean will back him up. AAO Nov 2012 #303
And this graph was made especially for you RegieRocker Nov 2012 #377
I believe this is more accurate: Nederland Nov 2012 #464
Bravo. Matariki Nov 2012 #255
But pollutants ARE the cause of climate change. Isn't that the same as admitting humans cause it? JaneyVee Nov 2012 #31
Why does it matter? RegieRocker Nov 2012 #38
Of course pollution is bad, but since industrial pollution is impossible to completely eliminate JaneyVee Nov 2012 #56
No no no... RegieRocker Nov 2012 #62
Oh I see, you're suggesting eliminating industrial pollution altogether?? JaneyVee Nov 2012 #70
Think about what you just said RegieRocker Nov 2012 #75
Yeah, it sounds great, but it will never happen. Here's what taxation can do: JaneyVee Nov 2012 #81
That will never happen. Who is we. RegieRocker Nov 2012 #101
I think we're kind of on the same page in terms of utopia. The difference is... JaneyVee Nov 2012 #239
Taxation is the only way to force *ahem* deniers to change. morningfog Nov 2012 #142
No RegieRocker Nov 2012 #160
Taxes are punishment? AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #408
Unbelievable just RegieRocker Nov 2012 #425
Carbon should be taxed out of existence AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #471
Seems like your only REAL concern is your taxes. Hmmmm.... AAO Nov 2012 #304
Yes and that is pollution RegieRocker Nov 2012 #44
But industrial pollution can't be stopped, it can be capped. JaneyVee Nov 2012 #60
You mean like Lotteries RegieRocker Nov 2012 #65
No, you're thinking too locally, this would require global action. Climate change is not JaneyVee Nov 2012 #73
I know and agree RegieRocker Nov 2012 #77
Yeah but you forget the ozone layer JaneyVee Nov 2012 #85
I think you missed something RegieRocker Nov 2012 #90
It is an indisputable fact that the Earth is warming. dawg Nov 2012 #34
I personally wouldn't mind a littlem more warmth RegieRocker Nov 2012 #43
It isn't the heat. dawg Nov 2012 #49
and isn't the cause RegieRocker Nov 2012 #57
Well, that's what you say you're agnostic about. dawg Nov 2012 #63
What I said was RegieRocker Nov 2012 #67
Every time you exhale or fart you emit either CO2 or methane. dawg Nov 2012 #76
So now it's the cows is it. RegieRocker Nov 2012 #79
The point is that we can't magically eliminate all emissions like you claim to want to do. dawg Nov 2012 #83
The point was RegieRocker Nov 2012 #88
If you are going to tell people to give up their iPhones... NoOneMan Nov 2012 #93
We can't abandon technology altogether, but I do get your point .. dawg Nov 2012 #94
"disruption on a scale even more massive than climate change is likely to cause." AAO Nov 2012 #309
You're preaching to the choir with me, you know. dawg Nov 2012 #343
I wan't implying otherwise. AAO Nov 2012 #365
Cows are a component of man-made totalitarian agriculture NoOneMan Nov 2012 #86
Not to mention that many more calories per acre can be produced from plant-based crops. dawg Nov 2012 #98
NO oh no RegieRocker Nov 2012 #105
What a moron. I can't believe your logic. You don't seem able to follow intelligent argument. AAO Nov 2012 #306
You're real funny RegieRocker Nov 2012 #379
Yeah, this topic is fucking hilarious! AAO Nov 2012 #389
OK! RegieRocker Nov 2012 #398
That's the stupidest fucking thing I've read today. tabasco Nov 2012 #106
+1000 truebluegreen Nov 2012 #241
I think maybe global warming doesn't mean exactly what you think it does. nt Marrah_G Nov 2012 #455
And yet strangely the east coast had its worst winter in 2010 in the past 100 years aletier_v Nov 2012 #46
A 4 degree rise in global temperature would be devastating to agriculture. dawg Nov 2012 #52
Definitely very true. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #452
And the continental US is in its worst drought in decades NoOneMan Nov 2012 #64
I don't think that you understand the concept Democracyinkind Nov 2012 #66
Strange only to Fox News fans. Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #236
That is one of the dumber replies I hear on this subject. truebluegreen Nov 2012 #243
Define "worst" AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #385
Increasingly, though, I've been seeing research that is beginning to strongly indicate..... AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #451
Hotter overall temps put more moisture in the atmosphere... Javaman Nov 2012 #476
That's true as well. n/t AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #479
Global warming causes weather extremes Marrah_G Nov 2012 #456
Very true. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #494
with hotter temps there is more moisture in the atmospher. Javaman Nov 2012 #475
Yes, I agree, because that's what all the best evidence is telling us right now. n/t AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #249
Ask yourself where all the increased C12 in the atmosphere is from. hobbit709 Nov 2012 #36
You're not agnostic, you're smarmy. Schema Thing Nov 2012 #39
+1 Electric Monk Nov 2012 #158
You'e a RegieRocker Nov 2012 #163
The conceit of anti-intellectualism Matariki Nov 2012 #59
Educate your ownself and RegieRocker Nov 2012 #68
And there you go. The response of someone stubbornly uninformed. Matariki Nov 2012 #72
Read this RegieRocker Nov 2012 #80
Do you know why this cooling occurred? Quixote1818 Nov 2012 #112
You mean like this RegieRocker Nov 2012 #117
Your links are old and out dated. New data shows all your links are wrong. Quixote1818 Nov 2012 #120
Nope RegieRocker Nov 2012 #123
Your graphs are based on data that has been disproven. Quixote1818 Nov 2012 #130
Show me at least 3 links RegieRocker Nov 2012 #134
All you have to do is go to NOAA's own website Quixote1818 Nov 2012 #153
Once again RegieRocker Nov 2012 #162
Few hundred years? The link focus on the Earth 6,000 years ago. Quixote1818 Nov 2012 #235
Hell look at the graph RegieRocker Nov 2012 #426
200 years? What on Earth are you talking about? The link talks about the past 10,000 years!!!! Quixote1818 Nov 2012 #437
some people enjoy being obtuce rather than admit they are wrong. Javaman Nov 2012 #480
Oh, and you can stop worrying about that carbon tax. dawg Nov 2012 #61
Agreed RegieRocker Nov 2012 #71
Simplistic teabag mentality. OK, I'll bite. I go for elimination over tax. (snaps fingers) AAO Nov 2012 #312
Wrong snap RegieRocker Nov 2012 #361
Not enough incentive to offset the offenders huge profits. AAO Nov 2012 #369
It would be if we raised RegieRocker Nov 2012 #373
Good luck with that idea. AAO Nov 2012 #380
oooooooohhhhh! Raise taxes. well, at least now you are blatantly i consistent! ret5hd Nov 2012 #400
Short of outright ban AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #409
What you 'believe' and the way you 'feel' about it Cal Carpenter Nov 2012 #82
Then believe your science then RegieRocker Nov 2012 #87
Pollution just correlates with environmental death NoOneMan Nov 2012 #89
You need to say a little more RegieRocker Nov 2012 #111
"The Conversion of a Climate-Change Skeptic" War Horse Nov 2012 #91
It's mind boggling really RegieRocker Nov 2012 #113
You can't post an OP here about being "agnostic" about AGW War Horse Nov 2012 #152
That is the point RegieRocker Nov 2012 #164
So where do you think the pollutants come from? Mice? Rocks? Goldfish? WinkyDink Nov 2012 #207
Are you serious RegieRocker Nov 2012 #210
I know I should drop this by now, but... War Horse Nov 2012 #224
Wouldn't that mean RegieRocker Nov 2012 #227
Here's the thing War Horse Nov 2012 #232
Then your a doomsayer. RegieRocker Nov 2012 #362
"you're" not "your". Javaman Nov 2012 #482
Jesus - who causes pollution? The dolphins? Santa Claus? AAO Nov 2012 #314
I'm agnostic on genetic engineered food liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #95
You don't think scientists who are experts on the subject have included natural climate cycles Quixote1818 Nov 2012 #97
400k years RegieRocker Nov 2012 #108
Well, mostly so anyway. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #252
Not only that, but every year they find the models not aggressive enough. AAO Nov 2012 #315
Calm Down aletier_v Nov 2012 #100
Sad but true RegieRocker Nov 2012 #103
Let's be happy that the two of you evolved beyond monkeyhood Democracyinkind Nov 2012 #156
You are willfully ignorant or in denial. morningfog Nov 2012 #102
That would be you RegieRocker Nov 2012 #107
Before you post links trying to make your case please take the time to understand the mechanism Quixote1818 Nov 2012 #116
This is about Global warming RegieRocker Nov 2012 #119
Of course it's about global warming Quixote1818 Nov 2012 #126
You're still not addressing RegieRocker Nov 2012 #135
I addressed your links as directly as humanly possible Quixote1818 Nov 2012 #237
Pollutants RegieRocker Nov 2012 #296
Your graph is only as good as understanding the mechanism's behind it which you don't understand Quixote1818 Nov 2012 #407
Don't hold your breath for a reply... Javaman Nov 2012 #484
You are truncating data Nederland Nov 2012 #465
What we know of the Cretaceous Period is not at all mutually exclusive morningfog Nov 2012 #140
Are you "J. E. Morris" by any chance? Not much behind this website. AAO Nov 2012 #316
i bet you nailed it. nothing but spam when you get down to it. ret5hd Nov 2012 #404
I would say I'm convinced that we definitely can cause climate change. There was a day when brewens Nov 2012 #114
This is why deniers and lukewarmers XemaSab Nov 2012 #115
It becomes a circus in no time NoOneMan Nov 2012 #118
Explain to me why it makes a difference RegieRocker Nov 2012 #121
One idea is nonsense NoOneMan Nov 2012 #128
It always descends into anti-intellectualism XemaSab Nov 2012 #124
I see that across the board RegieRocker Nov 2012 #133
"The fact is pollution is bad" NoOneMan Nov 2012 #145
More b.s. RegieRocker Nov 2012 #157
Wait, so atmospheric CO2 is significantly contributing to the warming or not? NoOneMan Nov 2012 #161
You first be polite not rude RegieRocker Nov 2012 #166
I've addressed it elsewhere NoOneMan Nov 2012 #175
I believe RegieRocker Nov 2012 #183
Wow. That is very anti-science NoOneMan Nov 2012 #186
Unbelievable RegieRocker Nov 2012 #194
You believe AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #387
And most of us are not tolerant of far right closed mindedness. AAO Nov 2012 #317
I'm not tolerant RegieRocker Nov 2012 #363
Get used to it - there are many far-left people on DU AAO Nov 2012 #375
Once again if you deny this RegieRocker Nov 2012 #386
Peace brother. AAO Nov 2012 #390
+1 octoberlib Nov 2012 #147
What is a "lukewarmer", btw? AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #259
Marco Rubio is "agnostic" on the age of the earth. Like minds I see!! retread Nov 2012 #122
Blind you are RegieRocker Nov 2012 #127
Now don't you go burning Marco Rubio at the stake... Silent3 Nov 2012 #192
Uh huh... 99Forever Nov 2012 #129
Are you saying RegieRocker Nov 2012 #138
Sure... 99Forever Nov 2012 #144
It's what you believe RegieRocker Nov 2012 #159
But of course! 99Forever Nov 2012 #165
Prove that it isn't RegieRocker Nov 2012 #167
I'm not the ... 99Forever Nov 2012 #180
Issues RegieRocker Nov 2012 #185
Maybe you should.. 99Forever Nov 2012 #187
Yep your my favorite RegieRocker Nov 2012 #195
Ahh gosh... 99Forever Nov 2012 #229
I wouldn't expect you to leave RegieRocker Nov 2012 #230
Oh geez Jamastiene Nov 2012 #132
You need to change your RegieRocker Nov 2012 #136
What is your position on evolution? And on tax increases for the wealthy, generally? morningfog Nov 2012 #143
Do you know RegieRocker Nov 2012 #172
I know what an agnostic is, I just don't believe you. morningfog Nov 2012 #272
No. And I don't care if you believe me or not. RegieRocker Nov 2012 #275
An agnostic is one that doesn't know what the fuck to think about the topic. AAO Nov 2012 #318
That's a bold statement... cherokeeprogressive Nov 2012 #150
My skin is thick, RegieRocker Nov 2012 #174
I'm not remotely... sendero Nov 2012 #151
me too. i used to be a human-caused adherent, but after researching the HiPointDem Nov 2012 #154
There you go!!!!! RegieRocker Nov 2012 #170
Heh. Why am I not surprised? joshcryer Nov 2012 #418
I smelled a troll the first time I saw your posts. Thanks for proving it. nt Electric Monk Nov 2012 #155
Right back at ya RegieRocker Nov 2012 #168
What a detailed analysis. So intelligent. n-t Logical Nov 2012 #173
It's already been addressed above, so why repeat it? RR doesn't want to understand it. nt Electric Monk Nov 2012 #177
This guy is a troll - I'm shocked he's still with us. AAO Nov 2012 #319
Coming from the RegieRocker Nov 2012 #179
Not this ignorant denier troll bullshit again jpak Nov 2012 #171
Burn the witch!!! RegieRocker Nov 2012 #176
You liken someone thinking your opinion is ill-informed... Silent3 Nov 2012 #189
And that goes to my RegieRocker Nov 2012 #199
So you think being the first person to hop up on a soapbox... Silent3 Nov 2012 #219
I will have the last laugh and it will be mine. RegieRocker Nov 2012 #222
You're doing a better job of *being* the last laugh Silent3 Nov 2012 #228
That is their loss RegieRocker Nov 2012 #231
Well, sir, then carry on. Eliminate the pollutants for us. Save us, kind sir. AAO Nov 2012 #320
LOl and like you alone RegieRocker Nov 2012 #360
Keep bashing your head until you start thinking clearly. AAO Nov 2012 #367
They come with the first snowflake each year.... Junkdrawer Nov 2012 #178
Your Ph.D . in climate science is from where again? Shivering Jemmy Nov 2012 #181
Same place as yours RegieRocker Nov 2012 #184
I doubt that. Shivering Jemmy Nov 2012 #221
So you have a degree in RegieRocker Nov 2012 #225
Paleoclimate modeling Shivering Jemmy Nov 2012 #234
Are you bigger than a bread basket? AAO Nov 2012 #322
The earth has gone through many climate changes long before the industrial revolution.... Xipe Totec Nov 2012 #191
Yes you are correct. RegieRocker Nov 2012 #198
It would be unfortunate if we were to trigger the next extinction level event Xipe Totec Nov 2012 #256
Maybe, but that's a big maybe, though. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #260
Maybe. If I'm wrong, there will be a lot of embarrassed scientists. If you're wrong... Xipe Totec Nov 2012 #261
It is already written, I'm fraid. There will be no "miracles" to halt our demise. AAO Nov 2012 #324
The whole point of what is causing it is irrelevant. randome Nov 2012 #193
If what is causing it is irrelevant RegieRocker Nov 2012 #197
The effect is the only thing that matters. randome Nov 2012 #200
The solution is not going RegieRocker Nov 2012 #206
Of course you don't go after the effect. randome Nov 2012 #223
That was my point RegieRocker Nov 2012 #226
Yipes. Your opinion runs counter to the near-universal consensus among coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #204
Once again redundancy blossoms RegieRocker Nov 2012 #209
LOL. A rightwing collection of fake academics? Viking12 Nov 2012 #215
Fallacy RegieRocker Nov 2012 #216
And Irving kristol! AAO Nov 2012 #325
OP is arguing that all pollution is bad, so thus we need not discuss the reasons, causes or effects! WinkyDink Nov 2012 #208
How would you know it's a pollutant RegieRocker Nov 2012 #211
You're the OP; YOU answer it. All you wrote is " I however believe that all pollution should as WinkyDink Nov 2012 #212
No you answer it. RegieRocker Nov 2012 #214
TBH, I respectfully disagree. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #233
ORLY? XemaSab Nov 2012 #240
Yeah, really. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #246
And Reggie has never REC'd a single thread in over 2 years on DU. AAO Nov 2012 #326
Regie, actually. What the heck is a Regie, anyway? Someone who can't even spell their own name? Electric Monk Nov 2012 #337
This message was self-deleted by its author Electric Monk Nov 2012 #337
Extinction doesn't have to be on the table for there to be lots of concern Silent3 Nov 2012 #242
That is definitely true. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #247
Check out the two other people ProSense Nov 2012 #238
The OP refuses to make a connection between pollution and global climate change. EOS. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #248
Yeah, it sucks. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #250
I was one of those who Recced; lemme explain why. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #251
If they're "Cassandras", why get your knickers in a twist? hatrack Nov 2012 #268
Well, I mean self-appointed "Cassandras", that is. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #269
As opposed to those Cassandras that are appointed by an official body? GliderGuider Nov 2012 #311
I don't believe you! hatrack Nov 2012 #347
Yes the earth goes through changes lalalu Nov 2012 #257
That much is true. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #258
Humans are the locusts of our ecosystem. AAO Nov 2012 #334
youre kidding right? bowens43 Nov 2012 #262
You made one fatal error of logic... Speck Tater Nov 2012 #264
What a crock RegieRocker Nov 2012 #292
Wow! You really don't have a sense of humor, do you? Speck Tater Nov 2012 #299
You might have a point. Too bad here on the DU things are black or white on many issues! n-t Logical Nov 2012 #266
Unfortunate, but very true in this case, sadly. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #271
As an agnostic RegieRocker Nov 2012 #276
Being a dumbass is never okay XemaSab Nov 2012 #277
Then how do you forgive yourself RegieRocker Nov 2012 #278
Congratulations! Systematic Chaos Nov 2012 #284
Right back at ya! RegieRocker Nov 2012 #285
Your mom. Systematic Chaos Nov 2012 #293
Your dad. RegieRocker Nov 2012 #294
Fucking POLLUTANTS dude! Systematic Chaos Nov 2012 #295
Peace RegieRocker Nov 2012 #357
You just look silly at this point! Logical Nov 2012 #443
You can tell me I'm silly when I spam "your mom" 15 fucking times in this thread. Systematic Chaos Nov 2012 #444
Well, okay then, I guess that clears things a bit. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #282
Thank you! RegieRocker Nov 2012 #286
right we should go back and debate whether or not Copernicus was really right or not. grantcart Nov 2012 #436
See, you act like it is either 100% true or 100% false, it is what... Logical Nov 2012 #442
It's 95% true. joshcryer Nov 2012 #445
Ocean Acidification is 100% real and 100% caused by human activity. grantcart Nov 2012 #446
occam's razor. BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #279
Yup...actually this is what my colleague (Earth Science teacher) stated. vaberella Nov 2012 #280
Why does CC and GW RegieRocker Nov 2012 #289
How many of those "extreme phases" have been supportive of technological sophisticated civs Democracyinkind Nov 2012 #340
Just so we can get a metric on your "beliefs" grantcart Nov 2012 #281
More redundancy RegieRocker Nov 2012 #288
Sometimes you just have to break it down so it can be digested by a sixth grader. grantcart Nov 2012 #344
Well, fuck. cliffordu Nov 2012 #346
Really now? RegieRocker Nov 2012 #353
No I said that since you were unable to even cite the correct age of the earth you couldn't have grantcart Nov 2012 #393
Boom go the dynamite cliffordu Nov 2012 #397
So if I forgot the s RegieRocker Nov 2012 #401
What about this? grantcart Nov 2012 #433
His answer below, translated: Option 1). Democracyinkind Nov 2012 #341
Well, I'm an earth scientist, and your 'agnosticism' is bullshit TransitJohn Nov 2012 #283
Sure you do RegieRocker Nov 2012 #287
Sure I do what? TransitJohn Nov 2012 #290
Your science is bullshit RegieRocker Nov 2012 #291
So, how long until Greenland becomes the only place in the universe colder than absolute zero? Systematic Chaos Nov 2012 #297
That fucking graph ends 124 years ago. joshcryer Nov 2012 #310
Solid facts and good arguments mean nothing to this fellow Quixote1818 Nov 2012 #327
That GISP2 talking point pisses me off. joshcryer Nov 2012 #336
You're fooling yourself and others big time RegieRocker Nov 2012 #354
Your graph ENDS in 1886. Are you kidding me? joshcryer Nov 2012 #414
And all your graphs leave out hundreds of thousands of years RegieRocker Nov 2012 #422
Huh? Yours only goes back 10k. Can you not read your own graph? joshcryer Nov 2012 #428
Do you refute the graph? RegieRocker Nov 2012 #431
No, the answer is no, your graph doesn't include post-industrial warming. joshcryer Nov 2012 #434
I gave you a fucking link that explains why it was warmer 6,000 years ago Quixote1818 Nov 2012 #440
He is either willfully ignorant or just plain not too sharp or perhaps just playing games Quixote1818 Nov 2012 #438
He's just repeatedly posting the graph now. joshcryer Nov 2012 #439
I agree, this is getting comical and somewhat strange and bizarre! nt Quixote1818 Nov 2012 #441
That repeated "graph" of his... Iterate Nov 2012 #486
Yeah, I remembered that graph and David Lappi's connection. joshcryer Nov 2012 #488
I'd be surprised if there wasn't a Palin connection there as well. Iterate Nov 2012 #491
you clearly have an agenda, why are you afraid to own in by feigning ignorance in your OP? CreekDog Nov 2012 #348
I have more time RegieRocker Nov 2012 #356
Daily Mail "Science". Quite telling.... Democracyinkind Nov 2012 #342
Boy, this thread reminds me of the olden days! GliderGuider Nov 2012 #313
CO2 Levels in the US have actually been dropping rightsideout Nov 2012 #329
Except they haven't NoOneMan Nov 2012 #332
I believe he is correct on this RegieRocker Nov 2012 #349
You believe in a lot of anti-science positions NoOneMan Nov 2012 #350
LOL RegieRocker Nov 2012 #351
Well forgive me NoOneMan Nov 2012 #352
Automatically fogiven RegieRocker Nov 2012 #355
It makes a difference to me NoOneMan Nov 2012 #358
Well RegieRocker Nov 2012 #364
"Technology alone will get us out of this mess only" NoOneMan Nov 2012 #368
I see that RegieRocker Nov 2012 #429
Except they have . . . "U.S. energy-related CO2 emissions in early 2012 lowest since 1992" rightsideout Nov 2012 #411
Here is a link to the accompanying graph from the US Energy Information Administration rightsideout Nov 2012 #412
"energy-related" is only a slice of the pie NoOneMan Nov 2012 #415
That's pretty misleading because it's conditioned on "energy-related CO2." joshcryer Nov 2012 #419
That's the thing about science... RedCappedBandit Nov 2012 #337
I like that Tobin S. Nov 2012 #370
I don't like this quote of his regarding science, as the scientific method... yawnmaster Nov 2012 #483
Science is science. We, of course,can be mistaken about it. RedCappedBandit Nov 2012 #490
Yep. we must not treat science as a religion or god...science is not faith driven... yawnmaster Nov 2012 #492
I understand. treestar Nov 2012 #376
"At least, to date, I don't know how to argue it with right wingers/deniers." ProSense Nov 2012 #384
No you don't get it either RegieRocker Nov 2012 #392
I get it: You're confused. n/t ProSense Nov 2012 #395
That's one of their arguments treestar Nov 2012 #416
I see it the other way around RegieRocker Nov 2012 #388
What a crock of shit! ProSense Nov 2012 #394
You're can't refute the facts RegieRocker Nov 2012 #421
You aren't agnostic, you clearly side with denialists. joshcryer Nov 2012 #430
You are a believer RegieRocker Nov 2012 #432
I have ALREADY refuted it. It ignores 124 years of warming. joshcryer Nov 2012 #435
"If burning fossil fuels can warm the planet, then good." ProSense Nov 2012 #457
You are comparing scientists to tea baggers AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #410
The endpoint of your graph does not match observed temperatures Nederland Nov 2012 #468
It is of note that is only one proxy, other proxies aren't as extreme: joshcryer Nov 2012 #489
Being agnostic is one thing, being obstinate is another intaglio Nov 2012 #405
Obstinate is not accepting RegieRocker Nov 2012 #427
Ah! yes, the Other Warmings intaglio Nov 2012 #453
I am certainly getting a good education Mojorabbit Nov 2012 #450
The only surefire way to combat global warming.. Permanut Nov 2012 #454
No, the poster is peddling crap from a fan of Senator Inhofe ProSense Nov 2012 #458
Define "pollution" as you mean it in your OP. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #459
Another Gungeoneer who has billh58 Nov 2012 #461
I am glad I have stayed well clear of the idiocy that is this thread AngryAmish Nov 2012 #466
465 replies, and 5 recs. That tell you anything Regie? n/t 99Forever Nov 2012 #467
Many Uhhhhmericans datasuspect Nov 2012 #469
I agree. catfish57 Nov 2012 #473
Links? References? Xipe Totec Nov 2012 #477
I am a Gravity agnostic. H2O Man Nov 2012 #481
I expect to debate climate change deniers on conservative media sites. Not here. stevenleser Nov 2012 #485
Climate change isn't the only issue in which you feign "impartiality." 2ndAmForComputers Dec 2012 #495
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