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The greatest secret of the Pilgrims were that they were failed communists. grantcart Nov 2012 #1
The Pilgrims were thieves, liars, cannibals and killers Submariner Nov 2012 #2
So the failure had nothing to do with the system... True Earthling Nov 2012 #6
Ah, truly the pilgrims were unique among humans then 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #23
that's just ridiculous. cali Nov 2012 #46
I descend from a large number of pilgrims, including a minimum of 4 kestrel91316 Nov 2012 #54
How can you have socialism without first having capitalism? white_wolf Nov 2012 #3
all kinds of animals do it. GeorgeGist Nov 2012 #8
We think alike wolf...... socialist_n_TN Nov 2012 #50
They did it totally wrong. The Shakers did it right, and had complete success... Moonwalk Nov 2012 #4
How did the Shakers survive more than one generation with no sex? The rule itself contradicts bluestate10 Nov 2012 #11
The Dominicans have the same rule and are coming up on their 800th birthday. (nt) Posteritatis Nov 2012 #17
As do many Buddhist Sanghas and they are approaching their 2,500th birthday. n/t white_wolf Nov 2012 #22
Adoption 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #26
Actually, most of the orphans the Shakers took in left.... Moonwalk Nov 2012 #48
Like any Nunnery or Monastery--they took in outsiders, including orphans... Moonwalk Nov 2012 #47
They adopted foundlings, for one thing jmowreader Nov 2012 #57
Complete success? That explains why we are overrun with Shaker communities today. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2012 #12
It's not clear how they didn't see that coming 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #25
Classic AlexSatan Nov 2012 #38
They did see it coming in regards to "if everyone was a Shaker..." However... Moonwalk Nov 2012 #49
There are currently 5 shakers in existance 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #24
You are saying that a community that forbade sex was "doing it right"? Matariki Nov 2012 #33
It was such a smashing success that the earth currently boasts upwards of 5 shakers 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #40
LOL. Matariki Nov 2012 #44
What I meant was, if a cult--and the Puritans were a cult like the Shakers-- Moonwalk Nov 2012 #51
And in the end most of them died anyways. Arctic Dave Nov 2012 #5
one of the few useful posts in this thread CreekDog Nov 2012 #62
It's lucky for them, also, that the Native Americans.... Moonwalk Nov 2012 #7
"Imagine if they hadn't been so selfish and narrow minded, so vain and stupid" 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #41
I didn't know such studies had been done on the minds of ants.... Moonwalk Nov 2012 #55
Although altruistic deeds are to commended... True Earthling Nov 2012 #59
I can think of one reason your wife might be a saint CreekDog Nov 2012 #64
Not necessarily true AlexSatan Nov 2012 #52
anti-social behavior begets ... GeorgeGist Nov 2012 #9
Here is what I get from the op RobertEarl Nov 2012 #10
Propaganda... Right wing source... Flabbergasted Nov 2012 #13
What? It's a primary source. It predates the concept of "right wing" by 160 years. (nt) Posteritatis Nov 2012 #15
This was not socialism. They tried to do things communally which didn't work Flabbergasted Nov 2012 #16
liberty fund? True Earthling Nov 2012 #19
Click home from the link. This is obvious propaganda. Flabbergasted Nov 2012 #20
This isn't "analysis"...it's the original document written in 1623. NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #27
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myfreedompost.com? eShirl Nov 2012 #35
He's trying to prove that something written in the 1600s is retroactively neoconservative Posteritatis Nov 2012 #36
So a document written in 1623 is some kind of right-wing propaganda? NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #43
Ahahahaha 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #28
The text at that link is more than a century older than the United States. Posteritatis Nov 2012 #29
Here is the same idea from a more direct source Flabbergasted Nov 2012 #30
It is not possible to be more direct than a primary source without being physically there. (nt) Posteritatis Nov 2012 #32
i think he's saying that the OP wasn't researching bradford on his own, he got the HiPointDem Nov 2012 #39
Rome collapsed in a deliberate attempt to discredit promiscuity, homosexuality, and heathenism 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #42
It predates the concept of "socialism" as well n/t fishwax Nov 2012 #45
Imperialistic religious extremists would just naturally find sharing with others Zorra Nov 2012 #14
I've heard this view of the Pilgrims expressed before. The Midway Rebel Nov 2012 #18
Yes Tsiyu Nov 2012 #65
This sounds more like the system we have today. JaneyVee Nov 2012 #21
Albeit true, the problem is treating this as a parable for modern society. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2012 #34
Not sure if I would call their solution socialism... True Earthling Nov 2012 #56
It was both a tithe and a tax jmowreader Nov 2012 #58
The account is not correct. It demeans the Native americans who actually saved their white asses BanTheGOP Nov 2012 #37
Total fiction? True Earthling Nov 2012 #53
They were Right Wing Theocrats obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #60
The Native Americans' experiment with communal property and socialism ended badly DireStrike Nov 2012 #61
My 11th great grandfather didn't come for socialism...he came with his family to make money HereSince1628 Nov 2012 #63
I don't see socialism here. I see communism. n/t ceile Nov 2012 #66
As the experiment with unfettered capitalism is ending badly right now. marmar Nov 2012 #67
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