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In the discussion thread: Every day I marvel at how poor and middle class Republicans vote against their self-interests [View all]

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Thu Jan 19, 2012, 01:48 PM

newspeak (4,847 posts)

79. it seems that little boots

increased federal government where it counts, when it comes to their freedoms. Y'all know freedom isn't free Isn't that what the the grand shyster basically told his followers?

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Every day I marvel at how poor and middle class Republicans vote against their self-interests [View all]	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	OP
I think it is also a bit of this	nykym	Jan 2012	#1
Great quote, but I'm not sure I would include 'most men.' I'd say, 'stupid men' (and women) nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#7
But the problem is that not all of them are stupid. Many are even well educated, but	Liberal_Stalwart71	Jan 2012	#89
I have John Dean's book, Conservatives Without Conscience, and it is spectacular! I couldn't put it	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#94
Thanks for helping me with the right book title. "Conscience of a Conservative" was the book	Liberal_Stalwart71	Jan 2012	#99
No, thank you for directing me to The Family. And any others like that.	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#101
maybe that has alot to do with it	leftyohiolib	Jan 2012	#22
Both sides tend to stereotype the other..	Fumesucker	Jan 2012	#2
I'm not so sure. I got quite close to a right wingnut, and he really has no ability to discuss	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#10
I thought that was you..	Fumesucker	Jan 2012	#21
Yes, that was me. And what flips me out is their unwillingness to even discuss anything that	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#24
If I remember though, he was not really middle class	hfojvt	Jan 2012	#62
Where do you place yourself on the political spectrum? nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#68
political compass says -6.12, -1.59	hfojvt	Jan 2012	#82
Ok. nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#85
A combination of guilt, shame, and wounded pride	Mopar151	Jan 2012	#88
Anti-intellectual roots run deep in this country...	Bigmack	Jan 2012	#3
Thank you for posting this. Pathetic, though, isn't it? The upholding of ignorance as the ideal.	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#11
And you will continue to "marvel"	kctim	Jan 2012	#4
Well, I guess that they have	hifiguy	Jan 2012	#13
Really depends who is defining	kctim	Jan 2012	#25
Very pretty, but 1 out of 6 Americans living in poverty, is not a state of mind or an opinion. nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#37
you mean the "far left"	newspeak	Jan 2012	#65
+1	Wind Dancer	Jan 2012	#77
Exactly! Nazi Germany backed Hitler because they believed the propaganda and fear	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#116
I agree. nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#35
Please elaborate. nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#14
Are people who	kctim	Jan 2012	#27
There is an actual human being	hifiguy	Jan 2012	#40
Absolutely! You explained it much better than I ever could've. nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#48
So you are saying	kctim	Jan 2012	#86
I am more than willing to infringe on the "rights"	hifiguy	Jan 2012	#91
People with wealth	kctim	Jan 2012	#103
See my post #93. nt	hifiguy	Jan 2012	#104
If we are indeed in a representative republic, there's no representation if the 1%	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#115
There is not 'if' about it, we are indeed a representative republic	kctim	Jan 2012	#127
That document is quite lovely, but if the 1% is ruling (which it is) something has to CHANGE	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#128
I respect your opinion	kctim	Jan 2012	#130
Fine, but expect me to stand against symbols being used to protect the 1%,	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#131
Placing the rich and corporations before citizens is NOT protecting rights and freedoms	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#47
The people you are condemning in your post	kctim	Jan 2012	#87
One slight difference you willfully overlook:	hifiguy	Jan 2012	#93
Interesting that you put 'all' in bold	kctim	Jan 2012	#106
Not at all. A couple of personal friends are in the 1%	hifiguy	Jan 2012	#107
you mean individual freedom like pro-choice?	newspeak	Jan 2012	#69
Yes, like REAL pro-choice though	kctim	Jan 2012	#90
Bullshit beliefs such as that abortion is the primary issue is bullshit	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#117
I was referring to actually being pro-choice, not being pro-abortion	kctim	Jan 2012	#120
hitler outlawed abortion	newspeak	Jan 2012	#122
He also did away with private ownership of weapons	kctim	Jan 2012	#126
Against what you THINK their self-interests are	cthulu2016	Jan 2012	#5
Yes, but in all honesty, they're cutting off their nose to spite their face. A sign of stupidity.	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#6
unfortunately a lot of them vote against their own interests because they buy the GOP line about	WI_DEM	Jan 2012	#8
That's part of what they adore: having an enemy. nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#23
Tree of knowledge is bad. Bad, I say!	stillwaiting	Jan 2012	#9
It is an aversion, but NOT all countries feel or think this way. That's why I'm amazed at these	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#16
Go read "Anti-Intellectualism in American Life"	MicaelS	Jan 2012	#12
Why...What are the reasons? who noes these daze;...me thinks its laziness coupled with	opihimoimoi	Jan 2012	#15
Pitiful really... and scary in the implications for the future.	BeHereNow	Jan 2012	#17
Yup. What concerns me too is that this anti-education philosophy seems to run deep nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#19
Pol Pot killed off people who wore glasses because they were educated.	BeHereNow	Jan 2012	#38
Yes, same anti-intellectualism. The glorification of ignorance by the right wing is astounding.	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#39
simple	Mr Dixon	Jan 2012	#18
The American Dream? Amazing. More like The American Nightmare is what they believe in. nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#20
Bad news. Those weren't all Republicans who voted for Reagan twice	NNN0LHI	Jan 2012	#26
Maybe so, but the bulk of those who vote Republican, ARE Republican. nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#30
Google: Is Something Really Wrong With Kansas?	libinnyandia	Jan 2012	#28
This is true. That's why Repukes block the black vote, because these are far more aware of reality	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#34
How about old people that vote republican?	taught_me_patience	Jan 2012	#29
True. I never blame old people, though, because old people have a miserably scary life in the U.S.	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#32
Maybe middle class and poor live in fear too.	taught_me_patience	Jan 2012	#123
well, just viewing my in laws	newspeak	Jan 2012	#124
They're either self interests or they're not	The2ndWheel	Jan 2012	#31
Not really. They vote in favor of corporate interests and those of the wealthy, neither of which	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#33
Most American voters vote against their self interest.	ZombieHorde	Jan 2012	#36
There's no big mystery, it IS simply because they are stupid asses	just1voice	Jan 2012	#41
That's how I see it, but the mega-wealthy push this idea of anti-intellectualism until the	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#46
Great article	DeathToTheOil	Jan 2012	#42
No article, really. It's just my observations of Republicans, based on my observations of them	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#45
Republicans vote with their "Black Heart" and not their Brain	postatomic	Jan 2012	#43
They vote without using their brain. nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#44
i marvel at how they see the right wing politicians as the good guys....	spanone	Jan 2012	#49
I know. It's like thinking up is down, and bad is good. All screwed up. nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#50
A working American voting Republicon is like a chicken voting for Col. Sanders.	ErikJ	Jan 2012	#51
It is. Voting against one's own self interests is just plain stupid. nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#56
Large family-the math dummies are now Republicon	ErikJ	Jan 2012	#52
The 5 with bad grades are right wing extremists?	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#55
The book, "What's the Matter with Kansas"? explains this craziness	young_at_heart	Jan 2012	#53
You're right. Which is why Occupy is so important - it brings capitalism into discussion	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#54
No, they don't.	Honeycombe8	Jan 2012	#57
"Freedom from federal government" is a propaganda tactic, and not based on reality	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#58
That's what YOU think. That's not what THEY think.	Honeycombe8	Jan 2012	#59
I will never forget a PBS documentary I saw once which dealt with the homeless and their problems	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#60
And by the way, the Ayn Randish form of thinking is bullshit propaganda, beloved by corporations	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#61
Back in college, we called them "Randroids"	KamaAina	Jan 2012	#63
Randroids is an ideal name for them. Randroids worship at the Church of Ayn Rand,	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#67
it seems that little boots	newspeak	Jan 2012	#79
in the land of snap judgments: emotions trump thought, style over substance.	NuttyFluffers	Jan 2012	#64
Pressed for time? nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#66
I think what the other poster is referring to	Proud Liberal Dem	Jan 2012	#72
That's true. Americans are so much busier and work so much harder than in Europe,	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#74
The Republicans have redefined "elitism"	Proud Liberal Dem	Jan 2012	#70
Exactly! Repukes have perfected the propaganda that ignorance is something to strive for. nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#84
Racism seems to have a lot to do with it.	hunter	Jan 2012	#71
You make a very good point, and the biggest ideals of the GOP are based on racism,	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#83
Simple - it's the 3-Gs	LynneSin	Jan 2012	#73
How did you avoid having that message ingrained in your mind?	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#80
Well you should not be surprised	mstinamotorcity	Jan 2012	#75
This is true. :) nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#76
I think it has more to do with values	booley	Jan 2012	#78
Everyone has priorities. Doesn't mean they're good priorities. Even pedophiles have priorities.	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#81
It's not priorities	booley	Jan 2012	#110
yeah, well in my philosophy class	newspeak	Jan 2012	#125
The Dems no longer know how to appeal to working-class people	Lydia Leftcoast	Jan 2012	#92
You think so? I wish I could believe that. :( nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#95
It would be interesting to find out exactly who the 50% who don't vote are	Lydia Leftcoast	Jan 2012	#108
That's what kept me changing my party for affiliation so long	Populist_Prole	Jan 2012	#121
It's not a mystery. "Values" trump "interests" for many voters now.	ClassWarrior	Jan 2012	#96
Thanks! I hadn't heard of Don't Think of an Elephant, but I just read a review on it, and it seems	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#102
Moral Politics is also good	booley	Jan 2012	#111
Oooh... that's the big one. I have started "Metaphors We Live By"...	ClassWarrior	Jan 2012	#112
Glad to help, Sarah. "Elephant" is a pretty easy read. It's essentially...	ClassWarrior	Jan 2012	#113
Opiate	MNBrewer	Jan 2012	#97
For the most part.	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#100
By the way, I seem to have a fan base of Repigs. If you do a search on the Internet for	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#98
Yes. It is truly unbelievable. nt	Zorra	Jan 2012	#105
You mean.....?	graywarrior	Jan 2012	#109
corporate media hegemony	arely staircase	Jan 2012	#114
I have given up any desire to compromise with republicans.	bluestate10	Jan 2012	#118
Absolutely they're traitors. They're the opposite of anything they claim to be	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#119
That because poor and middle class repubs have different interest.	SpartanDem	Jan 2012	#129

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