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bayareamike

(602 posts)
61. I'm not following your logic. What does marijuana legalization have to do with
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 06:23 PM
Nov 2012

heroin legalization or coke legalization? If the discussion is about marijuana being legal, let's discuss that.

Also, you mentioned that alcohol cannot be equated with marijuana. Why not? They're both drugs that are widely consumed. Many studies show that alcohol is in fact worse than marijuana in terms of dependency and addiction.

Here's a recent article discussing just that: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=the-truth-about-pot


If marijuana is legalized nationally, and people can produce and purchase it legally it would undercut the cartels that import it on the black market. As it stands, marijuana is California's largest cash crop. Why not legalize, regulate, and tax it? Seems like a win win to me: marijuana becomes safer to consume (there would be standard regulations just like there are for alcohol) and the tax money can be used for worthwhile goals.

EDIT: I reread what you said. I understand that the cartels would likely turn to harder drugs like cocaine, meth, or heroin but there needs to be a market for consumption in the United States. The drug trade wouldn't exist if it weren't for the propensity of Americans to consume drugs. That's just a fact. It's at least half of the equation. Taking marijuana -- the most widely consumed (illicit) drug in the US -- off the black market would put a major dent in the drug trade. Arguing that that would result in higher usage of harder drugs, like coke or heroin, requires an assumption that Americans would choose to consume them, even in the face of legal weed.

They would simply move production here and become legal or shift to meth Sirveri Nov 2012 #1
There will always be a black market for drugs. randome Nov 2012 #2
There might always be a black market.. Upton Nov 2012 #9
Stopping the War on Drugs, IMO, is not a good idea. randome Nov 2012 #17
How about this RegieRocker Nov 2012 #54
There's not much of a black market for alcohol DefenseLawyer Nov 2012 #21
People are not rational about drugs. Equating marijuana with alcohol doesn't hold up, IMO. randome Nov 2012 #22
Ah yes, the reefer madness argument. DefenseLawyer Nov 2012 #24
'Reefer madness'? I'm talking about heroin and cocaine. randome Nov 2012 #27
Booga Booga Eyes of the World Nov 2012 #28
They're both drugs. Son of Gob Nov 2012 #47
No they are not. Nyah nyah nyah Eyes of the World Nov 2012 #55
Let me know when you finish Jr High Son of Gob Nov 2012 #66
an herb? DonCoquixote Nov 2012 #53
People drive stoned constantly where are the accidents? Eyes of the World Nov 2012 #59
"There isn't much of one for alcohol except during Prohibition." BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #30
There will still be a drug trade. There will ALWAYS be a drug trade. randome Nov 2012 #33
there are also black markets for alcohol and tobacco- it's mostly about avoiding the taxes. BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #35
The black market for heroin and cocaine, etc. will remain. randome Nov 2012 #39
just as black markets for alcohol and tobacco continue to exist. BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #41
I'm not following your logic. What does marijuana legalization have to do with bayareamike Nov 2012 #61
All speed limits will have to be raised to at least 20 mph, drive thrus will need to be clearly 2on2u Nov 2012 #3
Wouldnt pot make ppl drive slower? nt darkangel218 Nov 2012 #8
I would think so. n/t Lucinda Nov 2012 #12
that's why speed limits need to be raised... BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #31
o.....k darkangel218 Nov 2012 #45
It's a joke.... again, all speed limits would have to be raised to at least 20 mph.... meaning 2on2u Nov 2012 #63
they are diversified. weed is just one piece of the pie. Tunkamerica Nov 2012 #4
Agreed customerserviceguy Nov 2012 #6
Supply and demand jway Nov 2012 #18
I think you're right customerserviceguy Nov 2012 #72
Really? marsis Nov 2012 #34
Well, I didn't say they'd be vastly successful customerserviceguy Nov 2012 #71
there will probably be a ng cutoff for potentially intoxicated drivers WooWooWoo Nov 2012 #5
What we really need is a performance based test ... surrealAmerican Nov 2012 #7
Good point! Spike89 Nov 2012 #29
The price will drop, this will make certain current production methods un-economic. bemildred Nov 2012 #10
Yep. Pot prices will drop up to 90% Xithras Nov 2012 #58
If pot becomes legal here then Mexico will probably legalize too. Ganja Ninja Nov 2012 #11
Importing from Mexico jway Nov 2012 #15
Welcome to DU! hrmjustin Nov 2012 #74
Depends what the regulations are. NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #13
Homebrew jway Nov 2012 #16
Well yeah - there are a number of factors. NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #25
Cleaner cheaper and better weed, less crime, fewer people in prison obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #14
Growing GOOD smoke for your own... 99Forever Nov 2012 #19
it's wouldn't be easy to grow for a LOT of people. BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #32
Not sure why you are so angry. 99Forever Nov 2012 #36
not sure where you get 'angry' from that post...? BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #37
Sorry... 99Forever Nov 2012 #46
I don't live in a medical mj state- but i've been growing a crop in my garden for years... BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #48
If were you my neighbor... 99Forever Nov 2012 #62
despite being 'easy' to grow- it can be a big pain in the ass, too. BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #68
If it becomes legal across the nation and people can grow it legally, there won't be Arkansas Granny Nov 2012 #20
Alcohol is legal, drunk driving is illegal DefenseLawyer Nov 2012 #23
They will still have the market that sells weed lalalu Nov 2012 #26
lol Go Vols Nov 2012 #60
Not sure I'd expect a huge demand upswing. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2012 #38
I'm torn on the issue of legalizing it Sophiegirl Nov 2012 #40
Decriminalization would have much the same affect. randome Nov 2012 #42
You're a couple decades too late jeff47 Nov 2012 #49
I'm in favor of legalization larocks4552s Nov 2012 #43
If MJ is actually treated like alcohol SpartanDem Nov 2012 #44
Driver's reflexes jeff47 Nov 2012 #50
Like prohibition, they would look for new nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #51
Legalize it, regulate it, and tax it. Prohibition is a Failure. Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #52
The shit is a weed--it's easily grown here. I think people are more careful driving baked than MADem Nov 2012 #56
tax it like cigarettes and watch the deficit drop graham4anything Nov 2012 #57
Money should not be part of this equation. randome Nov 2012 #64
Smoking is not the only way to ingest THC.. SomethingFishy Nov 2012 #65
I'm well aware of that. But smoking is the preferred method. randome Nov 2012 #67
How much time does it take to haul out a vaporizer? Son of Gob Nov 2012 #69
Preferred by who? SomethingFishy Nov 2012 #70
It would hurt the cartels but they would start peddling harder drugs. joshcryer Nov 2012 #73
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