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Anonymous and the Supposed Hack. [View all] MineralMan Nov 2012 OP
They would actually be a "fourth party organization," since Rover's Hackers would be the third. villager Nov 2012 #1
Reread my final paragraph. MineralMan Nov 2012 #2
Rather than leap to snark mode (or why bother to reply?) it's not the final paragraph... villager Nov 2012 #5
Yes, I can see that you are glad. MineralMan Nov 2012 #8
But your point is... pointless, had Rove been allowed to hack/steal the actual election villager Nov 2012 #11
It is not established that anyone prevented anything. MineralMan Nov 2012 #14
Exactly. Just claims. Yet the claims seems to have sparked some lively discussion villager Nov 2012 #17
More like a cadre of sceptics who want to see evidence before pouncing on something. randome Nov 2012 #27
So you're saying there was no need for this thread to begin with? villager Nov 2012 #32
Doesn't change the fact that there is still no evidence. randome Nov 2012 #36
Or that you love to comment in threads about the subject! villager Nov 2012 #37
'Love' is perhaps too strong a word. I enjoy debates. randome Nov 2012 #41
Obviously. Whether you allow for the thing being debated to have happened or not. villager Nov 2012 #51
Lively discussion? MineralMan Nov 2012 #49
Well, I guess you are under no obligation to call your OP lively. villager Nov 2012 #52
What they should have done, if this whole thing isn't a made up story (as I think it was) pnwmom Nov 2012 #25
Because democracy in the US has no more vigorous defender than the FBI! villager Nov 2012 #33
The FBI? marions ghost Nov 2012 #38
No problem if anonymous was anonymous. n/t pnwmom Nov 2012 #40
Don't see any reason for them to risk exposure marions ghost Nov 2012 #53
'Risk exposure'? If they can send an anonymous email, they can send a printout of code. randome Nov 2012 #58
If you want literal proof marions ghost Nov 2012 #61
Of course there is a good reason. randome Nov 2012 #76
I don't particularly care marions ghost Nov 2012 #135
That's not what Anon claimed RobertEarl Nov 2012 #39
They should have sent info to the FBI and the White House as to how Rove had access. pnwmom Nov 2012 #42
Whatever RobertEarl Nov 2012 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author 99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #116
I hope you have some evidence for this. cali Nov 2012 #85
Based on OP's speculation that Anonymous would be a "third party" if the claims are true villager Nov 2012 #97
If it did happen, it was a necessary evil at this point. louis-t Nov 2012 #3
If anyone can manipulate elections, we will never have fair elections again. MineralMan Nov 2012 #4
I left off my original point that agrees with the last paragraph of the article. louis-t Nov 2012 #15
and I say, since it could happen, that you are right and we will never have fair elections again librechik Nov 2012 #21
you are assuming that we've had fair elections leftyohiolib Nov 2012 #23
The elections in Minnesota are fair, in the sense that they MineralMan Nov 2012 #43
Then we will never have fair elections. That the machines can be hacked is undeniable. nt Bonobo Nov 2012 #111
+1 villager Nov 2012 #7
Yep. I agree. Taverner Nov 2012 #71
I don't believe they even claimed to be Anonymous. robinlynne Nov 2012 #6
Yeah, actually they did. But anyone can claim to be MineralMan Nov 2012 #10
You could but you didn't... marions ghost Nov 2012 #57
And as a result people are actually talking about election fraud! Rockyj Nov 2012 #75
Exactly marions ghost Nov 2012 #132
The letter is signed "the protectors", not anonymous. robinlynne Nov 2012 #96
There are more communications than that letter. MineralMan Nov 2012 #98
for example? robinlynne Nov 2012 #102
This, for one: MineralMan Nov 2012 #104
Yes, this one really does look like Anonymous. The letter does not. robinlynne Nov 2012 #161
and why would they not call themselves Anonymous, as they always did before? robinlynne Nov 2012 #103
I think merely pointing out how easily these systems can be infiltrated is a great thing. EOTE Nov 2012 #9
+1 villager Nov 2012 #12
Welcome to our nightmare RobertEarl Nov 2012 #13
Apparently Anonymous warned Karl Rove on October 22nd (Video) JaneyVee Nov 2012 #16
Anonymous or anyone with a video camera, a Guy Fawkes mask, and an internet connection. Mr. Mojo Risen Nov 2012 #29
Or that. JaneyVee Nov 2012 #35
GOP was incompetent? brush Nov 2012 #18
That is only your guess at what might have happened. MineralMan Nov 2012 #45
RFK Jr. link brush Nov 2012 #56
Uh, no. It has not "been pretty well proven that they stole the '04 election in Ohio with computer RomneyLies Nov 2012 #150
If you don't think so . . . brush Nov 2012 #157
If true, was it interference with the election, or interference with the manipulators? mainer Nov 2012 #19
I quite agree: "Let's eliminate the possibility altogether" 99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #20
+1 Kingofalldems Nov 2012 #22
I was having very similar thoughts this morning during alarm-clock snoozes arcane1 Nov 2012 #24
+1000. n/t pnwmom Nov 2012 #26
Thank you for a well thought out post. n/t pnwmom Nov 2012 #28
I appreciate your saying that. MineralMan Nov 2012 #47
I have Republican friends who, if shown evidence that ... Whiskeytide Nov 2012 #30
Anonymous is more than welcome to be pissed at me. MineralMan Nov 2012 #46
You're braver than I. Whiskeytide Nov 2012 #78
Just drink more whiskey. randome Nov 2012 #80
It does help! Whiskeytide Nov 2012 #83
Anonymous doesn't give a crap about me or you. MineralMan Nov 2012 #99
I agree with you about the integrity of our election process... chowder66 Nov 2012 #31
Change in Ohio's voting system must be demanded by the MineralMan Nov 2012 #100
If those that ARE... 99Forever Nov 2012 #34
When you have an election system as corrupt and dysfunctional as ours, marions ghost Nov 2012 #48
Is this a joke? It's just...so very...wrong... Zorra Nov 2012 #50
You have missed my point spectacularly. nt MineralMan Nov 2012 #54
Your point....???? CanSocDem Nov 2012 #67
If you even *had* a point, please point it out... thanks in advance... Ghost in the Machine Nov 2012 #93
It's a joke that anyone believes Anonymous's completely self-serving pronouncements pnwmom Nov 2012 #59
Would it totally shake your world to find out that Anon actually saved us from Rmoney? rhett o rick Nov 2012 #68
No. But if they did it, all they have to do is carry out on their promise pnwmom Nov 2012 #70
I honestly dont think it would matter. rhett o rick Nov 2012 #72
Your asking the impossible, for some people here to keep open minds, hence the OP bahrbearian Nov 2012 #86
Open minds require evidence. Otherwise, it's just faith. randome Nov 2012 #89
No an open mind examines all sides of an issue, and this issue has no facts either way. bahrbearian Nov 2012 #92
Actually, there's lots of facts jeff47 Nov 2012 #106
Your calling that a fact? bahrbearian Nov 2012 #109
Yes. That their letter is incoherent is a fact. (nt) jeff47 Nov 2012 #118
Pray tell us the facts. rhett o rick Nov 2012 #128
The point isn't whether Rove might steal an election. Of course he might. pnwmom Nov 2012 #130
You're not interested in any facts. jeff47 Nov 2012 #139
Open minds see that there is no evidence either fucking way. rhett o rick Nov 2012 #126
ahahaha argiel1234 Nov 2012 #110
Come back again, soon... SidDithers Nov 2012 #136
My two cents: rzemanfl Nov 2012 #55
Bingo. Eyes of the World Nov 2012 #133
If that is what it takes Aerows Nov 2012 #60
It smells to me, too. MineralMan Nov 2012 #62
I certainly agree that we need to get the election system into a fair and free mode. rhett o rick Nov 2012 #63
Who said it's "White Hat?" RoccoR5955 Nov 2012 #64
Minnesota's system is proven and has been checked in the last MineralMan Nov 2012 #108
Believe me, I have been RoccoR5955 Nov 2012 #119
If someone is making sure Unknown Beatle Nov 2012 #65
Why would you conceal the evidence of that crime? jeff47 Nov 2012 #77
As you can see from many reactions on this blog supposedly of "liberal minded persons", there are rhett o rick Nov 2012 #82
2000 was the Brooks brothers riot shutting down counting and the SCOTUS. Not hacking. jeff47 Nov 2012 #105
So you think that the DoJ lacks evidence? They cant figure it out by themselves? That they or anyone rhett o rick Nov 2012 #120
Please actually read a post before replying to it. jeff47 Nov 2012 #123
Let me see if I got this right. If Anon publishes the evidence then it would be easy to fix the rhett o rick Nov 2012 #125
You don't have it right. No evidence has been published. jeff47 Nov 2012 #140
Do the rainbow farts smell like regular farts? n/t rzemanfl Nov 2012 #152
Let me say it again. The Republicans have been stealing elections for at least 12 years and rhett o rick Nov 2012 #158
You need evidence to force people to fix the voting machines jeff47 Nov 2012 #159
It that is true, we are in worse shape than I thought. nm rhett o rick Nov 2012 #160
So easy for someone on the right to applegrove Nov 2012 #66
I'm seeing the letter being taken seriously by people close to Anonymous starroute Nov 2012 #79
An excellent OP that highlights the folly of cheering this sort of nonsense msanthrope Nov 2012 #69
Thank you. You get it. MineralMan Nov 2012 #101
I don't think you read correctly what they did. Baitball Blogger Nov 2012 #73
Finally a post from someone who is paying attention. reusrename Nov 2012 #129
I don't think it will matter. Baitball Blogger Nov 2012 #134
I disagree with your basic assessment litlbilly Nov 2012 #74
I think this post is attacking a straw man dreamnightwind Nov 2012 #81
This message was self-deleted by its author cthulu2016 Nov 2012 #84
Good question "Why?" bahrbearian Nov 2012 #88
rec cthulu2016 Nov 2012 #87
Personally I'd rather have Rove hacking the voting machines than Anonymous Fumesucker Nov 2012 #90
After 8+ years of working for free, fair and verifiable elections, I want ... Fly by night Nov 2012 #91
Good for you, Bernie... Panasonic Nov 2012 #94
I think only TN has paper ballots AND and elephant sanctuary! bettyellen Nov 2012 #115
Actually, in 93 of 95 counties, the Rethugs have forced us to use DREs ... Fly by night Nov 2012 #145
Not anytime soon, but believe me, it is an attractive option ... Fly by night Nov 2012 #143
You're welcome Panasonic Nov 2012 #148
horny rogue elephant...LOL EmeraldCityGrl Nov 2012 #95
I aims to please. Fly by night Nov 2012 #146
Anon did not say they hacked the Ohio election Merlot Nov 2012 #107
That was my impression as well TexasBushwhacker Nov 2012 #122
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This message was self-deleted by its author MineralMan Nov 2012 #113
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All I can say is thank dog for Anonymous Taverner Nov 2012 #117
Good points. Will not be widely accepted here. grantcart Nov 2012 #121
About 8 years ago when I quit the DFL in protest kickysnana Nov 2012 #124
I think you are correct if it is possible to hack our vote counting ThomThom Nov 2012 #127
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah! longship Nov 2012 #131
Like you, I don't believe for a second that Anonymous prevented Ohio from being stolen by Rove. Vattel Nov 2012 #137
No. I can't congratulate anyone who interferes in any way MineralMan Nov 2012 #138
I guess i agree with you. Vattel Nov 2012 #141
Who's doing the hacking? MineralMan Nov 2012 #142
You are avoiding the question. The questions is whether it would be okay to hack Vattel Nov 2012 #162
How would it be the only way? MineralMan Nov 2012 #163
nvm Vattel Nov 2012 #164
I guess you would rather have Romney for President. Got it! Taverner Nov 2012 #149
Uh, no. And we don't have him. MineralMan Nov 2012 #151
No no, you said if you knew about it, you would do nothing to change it Taverner Nov 2012 #153
No, I said that I'd provide the evidence to the authorities. MineralMan Nov 2012 #156
All this to me is hogwash Hutzpa Nov 2012 #144
If you don't believe Anonymous' claims, then your post is moot and pointless. OTH, if Phx_Dem Nov 2012 #147
I love the way posters demand evidence that someone prevented another electoral Vincardog Nov 2012 #154
Yes, we're getting sidetracked from demanding full transparency. Lars39 Nov 2012 #155
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