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MineralMan

(146,287 posts)
23. Minnesota's system is pretty foolproof, actually.
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 01:01 PM
Nov 2012

Paper ballots marked by voters, then optically scanned. A certain percentage of precincts are randomly selected after the election and a complete hand recount is done in those precincts. Since the 2008 and 2010 elections resulted in statewide complete recounts, the system was thoroughly tested, and no vote manipulation was found. It is the random recounts of precincts which acts as a protective measure against attempts to manipulate the vote.

It's going to be very difficult for the federal government to specify a specific voting system for the states. Such a thing would face serious judicial challenges, brought by the states. The voters in each state need to insist that their state create a voting system that effectively prevents manipulating votes. Voting practices will be protected by individual states from control by the federal government. They simply will.

However, some general and generic requirements for elections that affect national office, like Congress and the Presidency, can force states to create needed safeguards, as has been done in Minnesota and other states. They work very effectively to prevent post voting manipulation.

It's one of those "states' rights" things. MineralMan Nov 2012 #1
Maybe after SCOTUS regains a liberal majority, President Obama could issue and EO, Zorra Nov 2012 #7
I doubt that would work. EOs are useful only really for Executive Branch MineralMan Nov 2012 #11
We had a true reform of the election process RobertEarl Nov 2012 #17
HAVA was a boondoggle to Republican e-voting companies marions ghost Nov 2012 #36
Tom Delay and Rove = HAVA RobertEarl Nov 2012 #43
Right marions ghost Nov 2012 #44
I'm really exhausted with NOT talking about our inadequate and dangerous voting systems..... northoftheborder Nov 2012 #8
Fix the gerrymandering. That would help. PDJane Nov 2012 #2
Amen to that! RockaFowler Nov 2012 #5
Also one of those states' rights things...unless HereSince1628 Nov 2012 #6
It's wonderful when I see these types of articles in noted magazines and websites but Lint Head Nov 2012 #3
Agreed, but using methods of communication to inform others is primary to assembling Zorra Nov 2012 #18
Since it was in Forbes marions ghost Nov 2012 #37
Aaaack! Oh, you are just sooo bad!!! Zorra Nov 2012 #39
Uh oh, did I speak an inconvenient truth? marions ghost Nov 2012 #41
you'd think justabob Nov 2012 #4
Real simple solution RobertEarl Nov 2012 #9
Okay. I can see that. Instead of opting for one of two possibilities, use both. randome Nov 2012 #12
Think of it this way RobertEarl Nov 2012 #15
Anonymous is nothing but a nuisance. randome Nov 2012 #16
Well thank you RobertEarl Nov 2012 #19
Many highly respected experts in the field have serious problems with the machines. Zorra Nov 2012 #20
I also don't have a problem making the system more trustworthy. randome Nov 2012 #21
Bingo! Thank you! Great point! And people like Karl Rove, Ken Blackwell, Katherine Harris, Zorra Nov 2012 #22
You are welcome.. and thank you. RobertEarl Nov 2012 #25
Interesting idea. I have a feeling we'll never really know, as this will never be Zorra Nov 2012 #31
Minnesota's system is pretty foolproof, actually. MineralMan Nov 2012 #23
That's great RobertEarl Nov 2012 #26
I'm sure our Secretary of State would be happy MineralMan Nov 2012 #32
Sounds conspiratorial RobertEarl Nov 2012 #34
Yes marions ghost Nov 2012 #38
The truth is that both paper ballots and electronic ones can be fraudulent. randome Nov 2012 #10
Uh-huh. You *conveniently* fail to mention that paper ballot counts cannot be manipulated en masse, Zorra Nov 2012 #24
'Burning ballots' is very easy to do. randome Nov 2012 #27
The locked box is on the voting machine. THe voter never touches the paper. FogerRox Nov 2012 #47
A Voter Verified paper ballot...... can be frau...... nevermind.... FogerRox Nov 2012 #29
It's still voter fraud when ballots are destroyed without being counted. randome Nov 2012 #30
Please edit, election fraud, not voter fraud FogerRox Nov 2012 #46
I'd be happy if the feds required a certain number of machines in each precinct. JohnnyRingo Nov 2012 #13
Paper ballots marions ghost Nov 2012 #40
Let states do their own thing, BUT SoCalDem Nov 2012 #14
We can fix the elections system but.. ananda Nov 2012 #28
I'd like to see a single, nationwide standard. RomneyLies Nov 2012 #33
Great article and it appears in "Forbes" marions ghost Nov 2012 #35
He did say something about elections, how the standing in line for hours stuff has to be fixed librechik Nov 2012 #42
So glad to see people taking this seriously marions ghost Nov 2012 #45
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