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ellisonz

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25. lol
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 04:18 AM
Nov 2012

1. You know what my standard for ending an internet discussion is? When the other person suggests I didn't read the link they posted. I read your link and found it to be thoroughly superficial in its argumentation at best and moronic self-serving denialism at worst.

2. Dude. I'm not even sure where you're going with your second point. "The pollution wouldn't go elsewhere if other places stood up to polluters like [the State of] California [has done in its cap-and-trade program]... - now that I filled in the obligatory blanks, does it make sense to you?

3.

i propose taxing and regulating polluters and if necessary providing grants to achieve standards. also more research & state development of non-polluting technologies, changes in building/development standards and other social changes as seem appropriate.


Umm...you do understand those are exactly the sort of things the State of California is already doing (or trying to do)? California is far ahead of most other states in this regard and as you should well know - cap-and-trade is a form of taxing and regulation! - http://www.green.ca.gov/ - Governor Moonbeam is delivering!

p.s.: - have a good week.
No Carbon Tax: Obama [View all] RobertEarl Nov 2012 OP
Maybe in 2015. Change has come Nov 2012 #1
How are we going to pay for it? RobertEarl Nov 2012 #2
As long as paying for their pollution remains cost-effective, they will continue to pollute NoOneMan Nov 2012 #3
That's the idea RobertEarl Nov 2012 #4
You can't close any plants until infrastructure exists to replace them NoOneMan Nov 2012 #5
Can't argue against that RobertEarl Nov 2012 #7
Does it really matter? NoOneMan Nov 2012 #8
Can't argue that either RobertEarl Nov 2012 #9
We will likely do nothing as the momentum of civilization is too strong NoOneMan Nov 2012 #10
California's cap-and-trade system just went into effect. ellisonz Nov 2012 #6
Great. And the EU has had one since 2005. pampango Nov 2012 #11
pumping up the next financial bubble; more concentration of wealth and HiPointDem Nov 2012 #13
How will cap-and-trade produce "the next financial bubble" ??? ellisonz Nov 2012 #18
by marketizing dubious 'assets', same as the real estate bubble. and it won't HiPointDem Nov 2012 #20
You do understand that it will make polluting increasingly expensive? ellisonz Nov 2012 #21
nope, i don't understand that. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #22
The pollution wouldn't go elsewhere if other places stood up to polluters like California... ellisonz Nov 2012 #23
did you read the link? it ain't going to work, so it doesn't matter what you'll trade. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #24
lol ellisonz Nov 2012 #25
but we can tax cigarettes and soda, no problem. and to hear some people talk, HiPointDem Nov 2012 #12
Puts it all into perspective doesn't it aandegoons Nov 2012 #14
Cap and trade is a scam moparlunatic Nov 2012 #16
Here is the real problem Savannahmann Nov 2012 #15
Yeah... RobertEarl Nov 2012 #17
I guess my complaint is the road to Hell Savannahmann Nov 2012 #19
A carbon Tax will reward Natural Gas... lib2DaBone Nov 2012 #26
Isn't natural gas carbon based? RobertEarl Nov 2012 #27
bull shit. straight bull shit. underoath Nov 2012 #28
Welcome to DU RobertEarl Nov 2012 #29
thanks! yes I have :) underoath Nov 2012 #30
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