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In reply to the discussion: The idea that there are still parks and places named after Civil War Generals from the South [View all]Tunkamerica
(4,444 posts)37. Well, everyone is grateful for your input.
Treason against a state is worse than owning another human. Got it.
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The idea that there are still parks and places named after Civil War Generals from the South [View all]
Quixote1818
Nov 2012
OP
Sherman Won And He Was Fighting Among Other Things To Free Black Folks
DemocratSinceBirth
Nov 2012
#123
I think every "Main Street" in every southern city and town should be renamed "Sherman Street"
madinmaryland
Nov 2012
#177
Many people in the South seem to be unwilling to acknowledge that they lost the Civil War.
luv_mykatz
Nov 2012
#5
So the fact that my family has died at sea fighting wars for the entire history of this nation,
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2012
#32
Well, just extend the analogy. I would be justified in hating all you fucking traitors
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2012
#46
Too bad for you. If your sensibilities are so easily offended you don't stand a chance. n/t
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2012
#51
That history was used to help create the KKK...an organization founded by those "rebels"
Ken Burch
Nov 2012
#212
If one is a partisan of the American Republic, then he did NOT commit treason.
David__77
Nov 2012
#27
But nobody is proposing to put a Washington Monument in the middle of London.
NYC Liberal
Nov 2012
#58
That may be true but the English Civil War has produced its' own set of controversial monuments
Uncle Joe
Nov 2012
#73
No, I think slavery is worse, though perhaps less pertinent to the discussion.
David__77
Nov 2012
#68
The absolutely funniest thing about SC Confederate Memorial Day is its date...
Tom Ripley
Nov 2012
#57
Irrelevant. Most people of the South don't care about the names, just don't care.
bluestate10
Nov 2012
#10
Most People of The South Don't Care About their Southern Historical Treasonous Leaders?
fightthegoodfightnow
Nov 2012
#150
Why can't they just use regular Memorial Day to commemorate their lost brethren?
intheflow
Nov 2012
#258
Why do we glorify Washington and Jefferson? They each owned hundreds of slaves (nt)
Nye Bevan
Nov 2012
#20
No they didn't, not during their lifetimes. General Lee *did* free his slaves, however. (nt)
Nye Bevan
Nov 2012
#137
Claiming that you find slavery repugnant, but keeping your slaves enslaved until after you die,
Nye Bevan
Nov 2012
#146
Memorializing fallen soldiers is not the same as celebrating slavery or racism (nt)
Nye Bevan
Nov 2012
#155
18-year old farmhands who happened to be born in the South and conscripted into the army
Nye Bevan
Nov 2012
#161
We don't; it's a generic "Presidents Day" now. Otherwise, Italian-Americans* celebrate their paisan.
WinkyDink
Nov 2012
#111
It surprises me little to see so many "RKBA" Gungeon regulars taking the slave-holder's, i.e.,
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#22
As noted: it surprises me little to see so many "RKBA'ers" rush to the aid of anything Confederate.
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#28
Your "guess," of course, would be wrong: the Democratic Party has been in the forefront
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#42
Nonsense: that is called "projection." You're trying to defend the Confederacy, and are now
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#47
1. The OP is about parks and places named after traitors, not Confederate "veterans," so this
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#99
No, it was not: it had absolutely NOTHING to do with their status as "veterans."
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#166
Still dodging, and falsely at that. They are traitors "by law," since they had to seek pardons after
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#175
You are refering to events well over a 100 years ago. I'm refering to the current status.
Kaleva
Nov 2012
#192
So, your answer is "I don't care." That's very curious, "moderate" or no.
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#213
This is a place where people can discuss what they are doing about what outrages them.
Kaleva
Nov 2012
#214
As already noted: what really irritates you is that you were not allowed to get away with diversion
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#215
Again: what really irritates you is that you were not allowed to get away with diversion and
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#243
Sure I do. What really irritates you is that you were not allowed to get away with diversion
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#249
Oh yes they have. Simply denying a plain, indisputable fact does not diminish the fact. Pro-tip. n/t
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#85
If you have trouble manipulating your mouse to scroll up and down the screen, visit your
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#97
"I can't seem to find it" - Perhaps the problem is visual, then. Lenscrafters? A new monitor?
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#105
And that poster has spent a good deal of this sub-thread pretending that he can't "see" it...
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#125
If and only recognizing Zhukhov's strategies in '43 and '44 are a like defense of Soviet-style commu
LanternWaste
Nov 2012
#94
Benedict Arnold was a brilliant tactician, too: why not name an Army post after him?
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#100
Boadicea should not have a statue in Britain? Vlasov not in Russia? Broaden your historical perspec
LanternWaste
Nov 2012
#106
More deflection. Answer the question: should Benedict Arnold have a statue at West Point?
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#107
Nope: it's a reality. Especially when it comes to the entire "RKBA" movement, which is a right-wing
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#35
Thanks for saying so; I don't remember what we got cross-threaded about, but I apologize
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#133
actually- it's part of the culture and heritage scene from 'oh brother..."
BlueMan Votes
Nov 2012
#38
You know that a lot of us have actually lived there and seen the reality that still pervades
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2012
#52
Exactly what, pray-tell, doesn't the OP "get"? Please spell it out for us, specifically....
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#31
Weee! Another thread offering the opportunity to bash the South! Trashing now....nt.
OldDem2012
Nov 2012
#26
Apparently lots of people on this board do as well, since there isn't a week that doesn't
Tunkamerica
Nov 2012
#43
Your heart is in the right place (I think) but you have a very poor understanding of the
coalition_unwilling
Nov 2012
#60
YUP! and don't forget their hero Ron Paul and David Duke were intertwined.
graham4anything
Nov 2012
#184
Because Lincoln in a move heal the country gave Confederate and Union vet equal status
SpartanDem
Nov 2012
#50
Well I live in Richmond, Va., and it is changing, and most say it's a good thing.
WCLinolVir
Nov 2012
#53
Not to get all theological on you, but I don't think you can force anyone to repent
coalition_unwilling
Nov 2012
#63
I think years of occupation and re-education would've made them get the message
Hippo_Tron
Nov 2012
#109
What do you mean by 'we,' white man? JK. On a serious note, I don't think having parks and
coalition_unwilling
Nov 2012
#62
YES I agree. Same with those who still fly the Dixie Flag. Spits in the face of America & Blacks.
graham4anything
Nov 2012
#65
And I was taught that we were all Americans--that we didn't let our brothers
brokechris
Nov 2012
#78
I am Jewish and the connection between Ron/Rand Paul & Jorg Haider is very easy to see.
graham4anything
Nov 2012
#188
All you have to do is wish for something, and the Internet can instantly make it come true, Odin2005
slackmaster
Nov 2012
#108
Why glorify Washington and Jefferson? Why have them on bills? they were both slaveowners. nt
raccoon
Nov 2012
#92
i live in the south and they harbor a lot of pride in that fucked up war....people are strange
spanone
Nov 2012
#96
James Loewen's excellent book "Lies Across America" deals with this very topic
arcane1
Nov 2012
#102
Maybe neither man was angelic, but only one of them led troops to dissolve the theretofore Union.
WinkyDink
Nov 2012
#112
Or imagine visiting West Point and seeing a "Benedict Arnold Shrine." It's the exact same thing.
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#121
By definition the Confederacy is the most anti-American force in the history of this country.
aaaaaa5a
Nov 2012
#128
Yep: I'd change everything on that list. Just like the schools with mascots offensive to Native
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#134
Jefferson did not lead a war of treason against the United States. Please try to sort your
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#167
How do you think African Americans feel about attending a school named for a white slaveholder
Nye Bevan
Nov 2012
#173
But that's not the subject of this OP - the traitors who attempted to keep African Americans
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#180
Not a big leap from "glorifying people who fought to keep people enslaved" to
Nye Bevan
Nov 2012
#182
It is a big leap IN THIS OP, which is very specifically about the Confederate traitors who
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#185
Thanks for the suggestion, but I think I will just continue to post in this thread.
Nye Bevan
Nov 2012
#187
The real deal is you simply want to change the subject. Let's have you on the record:
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#189
I can think of about 187,213 things more important than the name of a fucking park. n/t
cherokeeprogressive
Nov 2012
#147
There's a Robert Byrd Bridge from WV to OH. Byrd was an Exalted Cyclops in the KKK (nt)
Nye Bevan
Nov 2012
#186
Those names aren't about glorifying. They're about remembering WHAT HAPPENED, but
patrice
Nov 2012
#179
The question is does naming a park after a general mean one approves of slavery? Or does it mean
still_one
Nov 2012
#190
Another reason I wish we could "Rec" replies: spot-on analysis. I wish I knew the answer.
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#209
Indeed. Imagine what we'd think of it if Germany had monuments to Mengele, the Gestapo, and the SS.
Ken Burch
Nov 2012
#201
I've been asking our friends from the Gungeon above a very straightforward question
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#203
I just figured they were whistlin' Dixie, but your conjecture is probably closer to the mark...
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#207
More false equivalency: the Generals who commanded troops in both the Vietnam and Iraq Wars
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#244