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Means-testing is just a cynical ploy to undermine political support for the program ... dawg Nov 2012 #1
I agree. Disturbing to see so many democrats here at DU pushing it. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #2
Maybe too many Democrats and RC Nov 2012 #4
So if I'm sitting on a multi-million dollar investment portfolio Jeff In Milwaukee Nov 2012 #12
only wage income gives you social security eligibility, not capital income. so your HiPointDem Nov 2012 #19
Not correct... Jeff In Milwaukee Nov 2012 #31
Only wage income is subject to SS tax. If donald trump pays himself a wage, it's HiPointDem Nov 2012 #39
We might be talking about two different things. Jeff In Milwaukee Nov 2012 #57
only if trump has himself as employee of that llc and is paying social security tax HiPointDem Nov 2012 #59
LLC's are typically treated as sole proprietors (Schedule C) Jeff In Milwaukee Nov 2012 #60
because it's a universal system, and as such, was not designed *only* to keep HiPointDem Nov 2012 #62
From FDR's signing statement... Jeff In Milwaukee Nov 2012 #63
It clearly was set up to provide payments to all persons who paid in, because that HiPointDem Nov 2012 #64
HiPoint is talking about FICA FogerRox Nov 2012 #40
Yes. StatGirl Nov 2012 #30
I look at it a different way... Jeff In Milwaukee Nov 2012 #33
If you purchase retirement insurance, when you retire you get a benefit payment FogerRox Nov 2012 #42
It's not insurance against retirement, it's insurance against been POOR in retirement... Jeff In Milwaukee Nov 2012 #56
Yes. Very disturbing. David Zephyr Nov 2012 #50
FDR would go ballistic over this. David Zephyr Nov 2012 #49
I disagree. I'm taking the fact that people are seriously suggesting means-testing... JVS Nov 2012 #61
Frankly, Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #3
the corporate contribution is figured as part of total employee compensation & HiPointDem Nov 2012 #5
A short term fix at best.... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #7
of course i do. but it has little to do with social security per se. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #8
It has everything to do with social security.... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #13
i agree that the problem is wages. i disagree that social security avoidance is the primary HiPointDem Nov 2012 #14
Never said it was primary....just one more excuse Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #18
it's an insignificant distraction HiPointDem Nov 2012 #20
You are, of course, entitled to your own opinion.... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #27
raising the cap to its original/traditional 90% is fine by me. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #35
90% was not the original cap, btw. Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #37
actually, it was. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #38
Except it didnt FogerRox Nov 2012 #47
Who pays 15.3%, there are deductions for that silly, get with the program FogerRox Nov 2012 #48
I think Forbes is behind the times on this. Live and Learn Nov 2012 #10
Of course they do.... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #24
Why not remove the cap from the employer's side of FICA? customerserviceguy Nov 2012 #55
If a corporation can't afford its employees Live and Learn Nov 2012 #6
They can afford it, that is not the issue. Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #9
Corporations do so at their own risk. Live and Learn Nov 2012 #11
They've been doing it for years.... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #17
That is my point. He didn't really choose to become an independent contractor Live and Learn Nov 2012 #22
For whom he votes is not the discussion.... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #25
all those things you mention are tax deductions to employers. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #16
I'm not sure screwing up your business is really worth a tax deduction. Live and Learn Nov 2012 #23
With all those wonderful Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #26
Yep. David Zephyr Nov 2012 #52
You hit the nail on the head FogerRox Nov 2012 #43
DURec leftstreet Nov 2012 #15
Means testing will only make those of means complain that they aren't Cleita Nov 2012 #21
What is notable is the constant need to refute woo me with science Nov 2012 #28
Fix the economy, create jobs. Fixes SS. FogerRox Nov 2012 #44
I've been saying this for years Hamlette Nov 2012 #29
to believe SS will go broke in 2037 you have to believe FogerRox Nov 2012 #46
Your figure is old news customerserviceguy Nov 2012 #54
That is one of 4 scenarios the Trustees publish each year FogerRox Nov 2012 #65
Which makes my point customerserviceguy Nov 2012 #67
eliminate the top limit to fica tax. pansypoo53219 Nov 2012 #32
Adjust back to 90%, no reason to eliminate the income CAP FogerRox Nov 2012 #45
There you go using math and reason again! nt SunSeeker Nov 2012 #34
Means Testing is to SS what Tort Reform is to Health Care costs. eyewall Nov 2012 #36
+1. (though it offers a solution to something for corporations) HiPointDem Nov 2012 #41
Excellent fact filled article, with top flight citations FogerRox Nov 2012 #51
You're right in that means testing is expensive customerserviceguy Nov 2012 #53
Those above a certain income will just get taxed on it mainer Nov 2012 #58
means testing is a BAD idea: amborin Nov 2012 #66
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