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karynnj

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59. It was not uncommon to see bumper stickers saying "Don't blame me, I voted for McGovern
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 01:51 PM
Nov 2012

or buttons saying the same - I had both and STILL have the button. Do you think there will be anything like this for Romney?

The difference reflects that there was a - not all that insignificant - group of people who respected McGovern. It is true that Carter never wanted anything to do with him and he was never considered for an administration role - to my knowledge - and never again spoke at a convention again. I have NEVER seen a campaign with less real content. As such, he could and did not socialize their current ideas.

That I think was the norm - as could be seen by Mondale and Dukakis. The fact is that Gore and Kerry were different - maybe because they were respected as having come close and still having powerful messages they could give. Gore, likely could have gotten the 2004 nomination as many felt he was cheated (cuz he was), Kerry, who has given prominent speeches at the last 2 conventions.

An almost more important difference between Romney and Kerry is that all the 2008 candidates ran on variations of Kerry platform planks and Kerry/Feingold (just lengthening the time periods). There is NOTHING Romney really ran on consistently - other than he should be President and Obama was not a good President. Kerry's platform built on Gore's which build on other past Democratic platforms. (I'm not speaking of the official party platform, but the ideas the candidates spoke of') Even in 2004, the majority of people agreed on most issues with Kerry and the Democrats - but they were still to traumatized by terrorism and too many bonded to Bush.

In 2008, I wrote the following after reading a great NYT oped by Bill Bradley. Link t Bradley's oped. http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0330-26.htm

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One question that can be asked, after reading former Senator Bill Bradley’s March 2005 NYT op-ed “A Party Inverted” in the previous JK blog post, is whether or not we have created a more favorable environment for our 2008 Democratic nominee than we had when the op-ed was written.

In “A Party Inverted”, Bill Bradley speaks of how the Republicans can still succeed even with a weak candidate, because the party provides him or her with a message and ideas to run on. Their chosen nominee has the support of a partisan media which communicates the ideas from permanent think tanks with constant funding by big donors and foundations that continually develop and test ideas and messages. All a given Republican Presidential candidate has to do is to personalize the existing message.

The equivalent Democratic candidate in a given election cycle does not start out with this sort of pre-existing infrastructure, making it difficult for him or her to communicate and sell new ideas or messages in the short time available. This leads to Democratic candidates running on charisma and catchy slogans, rather than on ideas and messages.

The Bradley article illustrates why it was much harder for a Democratic candidate to win under those circumstances. However, while little may have changed in terms of infrastructure since 2005, the Democrats running for President this time did not have to start entirely anew. They had the advantage of building upon the ideas and messages that John Kerry put forth during his 2004 campaign.

More than any Democratic candidate in decades, in 2004 Senator Kerry ran a campaign that was heavily based on ideas and messages. As Bradley notes, communicating ideas and messages in the environment of a modern Presidential campaign is harder than running on catchy slogans and shallow style. And in the 2004 election cycle, many voters never got to hear the ideas and messages from Kerry that they would have otherwise have responded to positively.

But the ideas and the messages he based his campaign on did gain acceptance from those who heard them. In a way, Kerry’s 2004 campaign became the functional equivalent of a think tank, giving the current crop of Democratic candidates many excellent proposals that had already been given some exposure and tested in 2004. The validity of those ideas and messages has been proven with every one of the many “Kerry- was-right” moments we are seeing today.

The similarities between the various Democratic plans in 2008 exist because so many of them are actually slightly tweaked versions of plans from Senator Kerry’s 2004 campaign. John Edwards’ 2008 campaign was stronger than his 2004 campaign for the Presidential nomination — in no small part because it was notably closer to Kerry’s own 2004 campaign, which greatly improved Edwards’ positions on many issues.

In 2004, Edwards called for health insurance for children only, saying that Kerry’s far more expansive program was unaffordable in one of the final debates between them. In 2008, his expanded health insurance proposals were much closer to what Kerry’s had been. Edwards also greatly expanded his environmental program in 2008, an approach that had been Kerry’s in 2004 as well.

On Iraq, every Democratic presidential candidate in 2008 echoed Kerry’s words from 2004 (as other Democrats had also done in 2006.) Every Democrat this year has spoken of the need for a regional diplomatic summit to solve the instability problems in the area. They have also spoken of how it will only be when the Iraqis believe that we will not stay there indefinitely that they will make the tough compromises needed to succeed. Kerry’s views on the need for a new foreign policy in dealing with our adversaries – a need that he has been consistently articulating even since his famous 1971 speech to the Congress – resonate even better today.

On the war on terrorism, even a person as conservative as George Will conceded that Kerry was right in 2004 when he spoke of how he would deal with non-state terrorism mostly through shared international intelligence and law enforcement, and occasional strategic military efforts only when necessary. Nearly every Democratic candidate has said something similar in 2008.

On the environment, Al Gore’s Nobel prize-winning work combined with Kerry’s positions on energy independence and the environment have become so much the dominant opinion that in 2008 even the Republican Presidential candidates “plagiarized” Kerry’s 2004 campaign platform points: that our country’s addiction to oil was financing both sides in the war on terror, and that we needed to develop alternative energy sources in order to be less dependent on an unstable Middle East.

All the Democratic candidates have taken this position as well, adding that investing in our developing alternative energy sources and more efficient technology would also lead to cleaner air, cleaner water, better health and the good jobs that would come from selling these new products and technology. Kerry made those points in all of his events and speeches on the environment during the 2004 campaign.

In fact, he and his wife Teresa made that the fundamental focus of their environmental book “This Moment on Earth,” and they both spoke extensively all across the county on those issues when their environmental book was released. It was also Kerry who represented the US Congress at the Bali conference last winter, when he again emphasized his longstanding positions on climate change and energy policy that the other Democrats are now espousing.

On healthcare, John Kerry argued in 2004 that it was our moral duty to ensure that people had access to health care. This is now the dominant position among Democrats in 2008. In addition, Senator Obama has made Kerry’s innovative concept of providing catastrophic re-insurance to protect those whose health is most at risk a key piece of his own healthcare policy in 2008.

If we Democrats succeed in 2008, it will be because the American people can see that our ideas are what this country needs, and that the ones carefully crafted by the Republican think tanks have led us to the brink of disaster. It will also be because the ideas and messages they hear this year will sound familiar, and therefore comfortable and easy to believe in, because John Kerry has been pushing them into the public sphere for the last 4 years and more.

UPDATED: He's a Uniter. demwing Nov 2012 #1
The difference is that absolutely nobody wanted Romney in the first place BlueStreak Nov 2012 #29
I don't think any of those edhopper Nov 2012 #31
Jeb is the strongest of the lot, which isn't saying a great deal peace frog Nov 2012 #70
I think it was just to get rid of him (Rmoney) cilla4progress Nov 2012 #42
Their powder may be dry but in their cleverness they've lost the party lunatica Nov 2012 #56
And a few might be "turning" on them! cilla4progress Nov 2012 #69
uniter kardonb Nov 2012 #36
yep, exactly my point /nt demwing Nov 2012 #86
HerMitt Romney MineralMan Nov 2012 #2
Romney has Mental problems...no if and or buts Tippy Nov 2012 #3
It is so obvious that he does salinen Nov 2012 #21
Yes. Gruesome, demoralizing, and quite frightening. n/t Ineeda Nov 2012 #22
In more ways than one. GoCubsGo Nov 2012 #46
We all know some of these people salinen Nov 2012 #97
That's because you couldn't drag them to see a mental health professional Wednesdays Nov 2012 #99
oh, riigghhtt salinen Nov 2012 #108
To me..it says something Gruesome about that 40 something % and the brainwashing Cha Nov 2012 #94
well...DUH. BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #26
Raised in a different environment wtmusic Nov 2012 #37
Harry Reid. Hamlette Nov 2012 #51
Harry was raised agnostic. nt wtmusic Nov 2012 #55
EXACTLY. BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #89
Harry. Reid. Hamlette Nov 2012 #50
Was Harry Reid's father the son of a (literal) outlaw who RENOUNCED U.S. CITIZENSHIP? WinkyDink Nov 2012 #60
and why should someone's grandfather be the critical factor in how we judge people? Hamlette Nov 2012 #72
Thank you Hamlette Hekate Nov 2012 #88
Very Good Point- Look at how easily he was played by mitch mcconnell- BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #91
That's Why I Kept Comparing Him To Nixon n/t DallasNE Nov 2012 #39
Both his wife and his son admitted this publicly. n/t vaberella Nov 2012 #52
Without a doubt! marew Nov 2012 #63
Ahhhhh, four years from the now the totally new, totally redesigned Romney 3.0 will be out much 2on2u Nov 2012 #4
They may recycle primary losers... awoke_in_2003 Nov 2012 #66
Exactly right peace frog Nov 2012 #80
Yeah, the last time they ran a loser from the previous election was Dewey Wednesdays Nov 2012 #100
McCain is one of these warrior1 Nov 2012 #5
One of these what? nt edhopper Nov 2012 #6
I think warrior means McCain is another poor loser Wednesdays Nov 2012 #102
This is because running for president was all he had. surrealAmerican Nov 2012 #7
He will never want for cash as long as he lives Wednesdays Nov 2012 #103
Biggest sore loser ever. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2012 #8
Hopefully he'll go to jail oldbanjo Nov 2012 #13
Nixon in '62 comes close BuelahWitch Nov 2012 #28
But he was still respected enough edhopper Nov 2012 #30
Poppy Bush didn’t whine in '92, that's true Wednesdays Nov 2012 #104
He lost every state he has a residence in........... thelordofhell Nov 2012 #9
You left out Michigan world wide wally Nov 2012 #45
he is a multidimensional loser. as a noun. as a verb. as a adjective! NRaleighLiberal Nov 2012 #10
agreed fil62793skx Nov 2012 #75
I've never seen such a dismal presidential candidate. proud2BlibKansan Nov 2012 #11
And on the Rethuglican heels of Ineeda Nov 2012 #24
And yet he won more than 20 states Wednesdays Nov 2012 #105
They got to know him? union_maid Nov 2012 #12
He was only nominated due to the electronic vote flipping in the primaries. reusrename Nov 2012 #34
Love your last line - Mira Nov 2012 #14
You obviously weren't around several decades ago... regnaD kciN Nov 2012 #15
I agree. Also, Republicans may have no feeling one way or the other about Romney as a person but spooky3 Nov 2012 #18
I was around edhopper Nov 2012 #20
I remember... femrap Nov 2012 #35
IA. President Carter was great pitbullgirl1965 Nov 2012 #101
Yep, femrap Nov 2012 #107
It was not uncommon to see bumper stickers saying "Don't blame me, I voted for McGovern karynnj Nov 2012 #59
Don't forget Dumbya..... Bigmack Nov 2012 #16
I will give W credit for simply disappearing The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2012 #17
He's convinced history will laud his greatness peace frog Nov 2012 #76
It's Was A Pleasure To Watch... KharmaTrain Nov 2012 #19
ask any repuke onethatcares Nov 2012 #23
During the femrap Nov 2012 #40
His pick in 2016 will undoubtedly be Jeb peace frog Nov 2012 #78
Papa Bush will femrap Nov 2012 #92
The world cannot endure another Bush peace frog Nov 2012 #95
Well, if Poppy kicks the bucket Wednesdays Nov 2012 #106
The Corporate media IS Mitt Romney, they cannot separate themselves so easily RepublicansRZombies Nov 2012 #25
So Romney the moron is gone- we are still stuck with the stupid ass media that pushed him on us RepublicansRZombies Nov 2012 #38
Gonna miss all those horse stories that could have been... Hulk Nov 2012 #27
Everybody in the GOP HATES him -- ask anyone active around either party n/t melody Nov 2012 #32
He was a pariah before the election. Salviati Nov 2012 #33
He wanted to win very very badly. at any cost. Loss is sending him over the edge Liberal_in_LA Nov 2012 #41
He lives in the rose-colored world in which burnsei sensei Nov 2012 #48
+1 awesome quote, burnsei! BarackTheVote Nov 2012 #57
Well put! - n/t coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #85
It might even be shaking his faith treestar Nov 2012 #53
But they still agree with him Andy Stanton Nov 2012 #43
Excellent Point titanicdave Nov 2012 #44
You just described my esteemed governor peace frog Nov 2012 #82
In my journal, some time before burnsei sensei Nov 2012 #47
rMoney and Queen Ann believed they were in the line of rulership. HopeHoops Nov 2012 #49
Amen! marew Nov 2012 #65
Well, there was a time in France where a sharp blade would have dealt with them. HopeHoops Nov 2012 #73
The "not really a loser" should be behind Kerry too. n/t rzemanfl Nov 2012 #54
Don't disagree edhopper Nov 2012 #58
It was the worst campaign I have ever seen on a national level Kalidurga Nov 2012 #61
I wasn't sure that the title wasn't referring to adieu Nov 2012 #62
McCain is giving him a good run for the title. Even 4 years later! Overseas Nov 2012 #64
True! So very true! marew Nov 2012 #67
Hell, they "won" twice with W, and they STILL don't want him to emerge from the darkness DFW Nov 2012 #68
Scary how close he came. immoderate Nov 2012 #71
With the unemployment rate where it was, it was baked in the cake that any Midwestern Democrat Nov 2012 #87
No offense -- but this is not comforting. immoderate Nov 2012 #96
Most of them STFU cyglet Nov 2012 #74
He has become unhinged Politicub Nov 2012 #77
A fitting end for a terrible campaign. reflection Nov 2012 #79
At least Nixon had the sense to bury himself for awhile... Hekate Nov 2012 #81
Saturday piece in Buzzfeed put it quite succinctly: coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #83
Well they never really wanted him in the first place. ginnyinWI Nov 2012 #84
He would have been an even worse winning candidate. DCBob Nov 2012 #90
No one has ever liked him, probably he was the most unlikable person Raine Nov 2012 #93
He did concede on election night. sadbear Nov 2012 #98
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