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In the discussion thread: My son, who preferred Obama over Romney had some pretty startling things to say............ [View all]

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Sat Nov 17, 2012, 11:29 PM

Texas Lawyer (340 posts)

192. What do you say to him? Tell him he's right! But also tell him that if we nominated a candidate he

agreed with on more issues, we'd lose a 50 state landslide.

I did not support Obama in the primary in 2008 because he's a moderate (and -- to his credit -- he's pretty candid about it; anyone who's read his autobiographical writing will see that he not bleeding heart liberal Democrat much less a dreaded "Socialist").

Jimmy Carter has been a great ex-President -- especially on foreign affairs -- but he was not more liberal than Obama on most issues. Clinton was a great president (especially when you compare him the the guy he replaced, the guys he beat and the guy who came after him) but he was no flaming liberal.

Johnson? Moderate. Kennedy? Moderate.

We haven't really elected a liberal president since FDR.

We could possibly nominate a liberal (that's who I'll support in the primary), but the more liberal the candidate we nominate in the primary, the less success we typically have in the general election.

Sometimes you nominate a Bill Clinton or an Obama instead of a Bernie Sanders or an Elizabeth Warren, which can be disappointing to a true liberal, but the consolation from nominating a moderate is that, if we nominated Sanders or Warren, we run a greater risk of electing a Bush/Cheney- or a Romney/Ryan-type ticket.

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My son, who preferred Obama over Romney had some pretty startling things to say............ [View all]	1springhill	Nov 2012	OP
You could send him here....	Tree-Hugger	Nov 2012	#1
thank him for his concern?	demwing	Nov 2012	#98
OMG... the trolls are sneaking into his wife's uterus now! n/t	Ian David	Nov 2012	#108
Guess again.	WinkyDink	Nov 2012	#163
Breathe...for fuck's sake. nt	Tree-Hugger	Nov 2012	#175
This post was hidden by jury decision.	11.11 time prompt.	Nov 2012	#136
You don't have kids, do you.	renie408	Nov 2012	#160
Well Golly Gee	Tree-Hugger	Nov 2012	#174
I think it was the patronizing	renie408	Nov 2012	#193
I'll be sure to consult you the next time I post	Tree-Hugger	Nov 2012	#197
you could remind him that Obama ended one war	dsc	Nov 2012	#2
lets be honest here	former-republican	Nov 2012	#19
Do you believe if John McCain was president, he would have let SOFA keep him from war? nt	morningglory	Nov 2012	#69
McCain is a war monger	former-republican	Nov 2012	#186
Someone I know was a small child on the ground in Austria	JDPriestly	Nov 2012	#189
Tell him the truth: not voting for the lesser of two evils	Warpy	Nov 2012	#3
"...killed an American citizen."???	Suich	Nov 2012	#4
Anwar al-Awlaki	Chan790	Nov 2012	#8
I think he meant that kid of a terrorist leader who was killed in a drone strike.	catbyte	Nov 2012	#9
Anwar al-Awlaki	Enrique	Nov 2012	#10
One of the terrorists targeted and taken out was actually an American...	Honeycombe8	Nov 2012	#11
This message was self-deleted by its author	Comrade_McKenzie	Nov 2012	#65
AND his 16 year old son.	alarimer	Nov 2012	#141
At least he preferred Obama.	Kath1	Nov 2012	#5
I think Obama is better than Bush on foreign policy, it gets dicey on civil liberties	TheKentuckian	Nov 2012	#6
What does Bush have to do with Anything	Fence rider	Nov 2012	#7
???	sabrina 1	Nov 2012	#168
ask him to show you where he is getting his information	Enrique	Nov 2012	#12
Don't say anything 'to' him. He's an adult. Talk 'with' him.	toddaa	Nov 2012	#13
I like that.............	1springhill	Nov 2012	#27
if he is talking specifically about foreign policy in the second term of the Bush Administration	Douglas Carpenter	Nov 2012	#14
US foreign policy is its own beast, largely independent of any particular administration	Scootaloo	Nov 2012	#15
You might mention to him that President Obama will be the one appointing new Supreme Court Justices	Tx4obama	Nov 2012	#16
He is aware of all that...............	1springhill	Nov 2012	#23
I doubt anyone here agrees with PBO on everything	sellitman	Nov 2012	#129
He voted for Obama and said he was the lesser of two evils, better than Romney. He said	Puregonzo1188	Nov 2012	#179
I also find the use of drones so much to be disturbing.	brokechris	Nov 2012	#17
Sounds like your son has been talking to some Ron Paul or Gary Johnson supporters	Lilyeye	Nov 2012	#18
Yes, he has talked about Gary Johnson...........	1springhill	Nov 2012	#24
Then he is NOT a democrat and why not tell him to go to ...	graham4anything	Nov 2012	#55
real Dems don't talk to their kids that way	Viva_La_Revolution	Nov 2012	#72
Right on	randr	Nov 2012	#88
Hey pal, many of us agree with him on drones	nadinbrzezinski	Nov 2012	#80
why wasn't anyone on the ballot in that position? That is the problem, the repubs have someone	graham4anything	Nov 2012	#100
Sorry, misunderstood your question	nadinbrzezinski	Nov 2012	#107
DU used to be so great.	Eyes of the World	Nov 2012	#110
I hate to say it but your son is closer to the truth than farther from it.	former-republican	Nov 2012	#20
Really? "no better than bush on foreign policy"? I strongly disagree	Cha	Nov 2012	#25
Why do you find it necessary to insult my son?	1springhill	Nov 2012	#29
Ignorant just means he doesn't seem to know all the facts. Do you	Cha	Nov 2012	#31
I am well aware what ignorant means.......	1springhill	Nov 2012	#41
I hate to say it but your son is closer to the truth than farther from it	former-republican	Nov 2012	#30
You really couldn't post links on that.. because bush lied to get into the	Cha	Nov 2012	#33
stop right there	former-republican	Nov 2012	#39
You Stop Right There	Cha	Nov 2012	#43
Bush was a war monger , President Obama isn't but his actions closely mirror Bushes	former-republican	Nov 2012	#48
Well, I think if people don't like President Obama's Foreign Policy then	Cha	Nov 2012	#49
It seems to be a meme	SunsetDreams	Nov 2012	#79
That's interesting to know, SunsetDreams! Makes perfect sense why they	Cha	Nov 2012	#147
A stirred wasps nest.	BlueCaliDem	Nov 2012	#94
Thanks for explaining this aspect of The Big Difference between Bush and President Obama's	Cha	Nov 2012	#150
You're welcome, Cha!	BlueCaliDem	Nov 2012	#165
My 20 something son	sense	Nov 2012	#21
That he's not wrong and it is now up to his generation to fix the mess we've	Egalitarian Thug	Nov 2012	#22
Tell your son to eat his veggies & wear clean underwear in case he's in an accident, AND ...	Tx4obama	Nov 2012	#26
Thanks for the FACTS, TX4obama!	Cha	Nov 2012	#45
They doesn't make it any less illegal and the don't drive around with terrorists	Hissyspit	Nov 2012	#51
People seem to forget this HUGE factor.	BlueCaliDem	Nov 2012	#85
I don't give a flying fuck; it's still WRONG.	alarimer	Nov 2012	#142
Well, as they say,	BlueCaliDem	Nov 2012	#143
Yes these people were citizens technically only	treestar	Nov 2012	#96
"Citizens technically only"--There's no other kind.	Puregonzo1188	Nov 2012	#181
There is an element of citizenship that has to do with loyalty and belonging to the country	treestar	Nov 2012	#196
what's to say? he's right on those counts. say "you're right".	HiPointDem	Nov 2012	#28
That's why even during the debate with Romney even the talking heads said ( democrats and republican	former-republican	Nov 2012	#32
That's because romney was agreeing with the President on everything	Cha	Nov 2012	#37
You mean when Romney was lying to make himself appear more "moderate"?	NYC Liberal	Nov 2012	#46
Exactly, NYC Liberal..	Cha	Nov 2012	#50
No he's not.	Cha	Nov 2012	#35
whatever.	HiPointDem	Nov 2012	#36
Yeah, whatever, HIPointDem.	Cha	Nov 2012	#38
the drones are a sign of a crumbling, paranoid empire	quinnox	Nov 2012	#34
How about we appoint John Huntsman as SOS? That should fix it, right?	Tarheel_Dem	Nov 2012	#52
It would certainly be a fine start	quinnox	Nov 2012	#56
I knew it!	Tarheel_Dem	Nov 2012	#60
Anti-Labor Huntsman???? FUCK THAT NOISE.	Ikonoklast	Nov 2012	#137
I think courageous gets your ticket punched even before the primaries these days.	Egalitarian Thug	Nov 2012	#145
I agree with your son regarding the drone strikes, horrible. Never a good idea to vote	crunch60	Nov 2012	#40
He sounds like a wonderful son...	nenagh	Nov 2012	#42
Thanks for that.............	1springhill	Nov 2012	#44
This message was self-deleted by its author	nenagh	Nov 2012	#64
Bush lied us into a war that killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people.	NYC Liberal	Nov 2012	#47
I'm sorry, but your son doesn't sound all that aware to me, "politically" or otherwise.	Tarheel_Dem	Nov 2012	#53
Thanks for the advice.	1springhill	Nov 2012	#57
Yeah, and I'm sure he could be President someday. Everybody thinks their kid's the ONE.	Tarheel_Dem	Nov 2012	#61
Okay, you have a real problem..........	1springhill	Nov 2012	#62
You sure it's me?	Tarheel_Dem	Nov 2012	#63
stop making DU suck.	Viva_La_Revolution	Nov 2012	#73
"The election is over". Which is why the o.p. is strange. "We won". Exactly.	Tarheel_Dem	Nov 2012	#138
Tell him to see Lincoln the movie. WARTIME POWERS is a constitutional right a president has	graham4anything	Nov 2012	#54
Drones save a lot of American soldiers' lives BUT	Lydia Leftcoast	Nov 2012	#77
Your third paragraph makes the point	treestar	Nov 2012	#97
Anything?	rug	Nov 2012	#118
in a world where the national economy died instantly, for 10 years due to 9-11	graham4anything	Nov 2012	#123
Where to begin?	rug	Nov 2012	#125
"ANYTHING A PRESIDENT DOES IS 100% DOABLE" Richard Nixon is that you?	Puregonzo1188	Nov 2012	#183
Tell him that American domination of the world by military force has been a cheerfully bipartisan--	eridani	Nov 2012	#58
+1! nt	Viva_La_Revolution	Nov 2012	#75
That's good, too. n/t	Egalitarian Thug	Nov 2012	#144
Tell him that American domination of the world by military force has been a cheerfully bipartisan--	eridani	Nov 2012	#58
I am comfortable with Obama's foreign policy...	Comrade_McKenzie	Nov 2012	#66
Son's often get many of their misconceptions at that young age from their overly concerned parents.	aandegoons	Nov 2012	#67
Well then you son is an idiot	trumad	Nov 2012	#68
fucking coward	DisgustipatedinCA	Nov 2012	#120
Sounds as if your son is not a sensible pragmatic moderate centrist, unlike these two	Fumesucker	Nov 2012	#70
What do I say to him?... stop watching fox. nt	seabeyond	Nov 2012	#71
Tell him Obama is doing the best he can - a more pacifist candidate might have been booted out.	reformist2	Nov 2012	#74
you were adopted nt	hockeynut57	Nov 2012	#76
5,000 US troops dead in Iraq. 50,000 wounded. Hundreds of thousands of dead civilians.	WilliamPitt	Nov 2012	#78
I can't say I am particularly surprised at some of the answers	nadinbrzezinski	Nov 2012	#81
Agreed	toddaa	Nov 2012	#104
Stay in school. Pile up the degrees. Eat your wheaties. Be the change.	zonkers	Nov 2012	#82
Having a coughing fit here,	SunsetDreams	Nov 2012	#83
Why are you asking strangers for parenting advice?	lunatica	Nov 2012	#84
What he needs is to gain persepctive. He was 9 when Bush was elected. Nothing	Bluenorthwest	Nov 2012	#86
I was trying to figure out why so many people are acting like assholes in this thread.	WilliamPitt	Nov 2012	#87
I heard Jesse Ventura say these exact same words on CNN last night	Generic Other	Nov 2012	#89
Just remind him who started those wars. Obama is 100% better on foreign policy than Bush.	Autumn	Nov 2012	#90
Tell him he's very wise for his age.	proud2BlibKansan	Nov 2012	#91
Tell him he's right.	LWolf	Nov 2012	#92
But the flip side of that message is that the lies about WMD and the invasion of Iraq	Bluenorthwest	Nov 2012	#99
I don't see it that way, either.	LWolf	Nov 2012	#157
Congratulate him for his honesty and objectivity. nt	Speck Tater	Nov 2012	#93
Educate him on how wars were before the drones	treestar	Nov 2012	#95
Do you think Vietnam and Korea were wars worth fighting?	Puregonzo1188	Nov 2012	#184
No.	treestar	Nov 2012	#195
Did the young lad get upset about bin Laden being shot by any chance?	NNN0LHI	Nov 2012	#101
Sounds like you should listen to him	upi402	Nov 2012	#102
Just curious - would you still support Obama's current drone policy if,	MotherPetrie	Nov 2012	#103
What would he do? I say that because the human race is pretty damn backward and	RKP5637	Nov 2012	#105
The President is trying to win this war that Bush started and get the hell out of there.	Auntie Bush	Nov 2012	#106
Explain that Glenn Greenwald works for the CATO institute,	allrevvedup	Nov 2012	#109
Refer him to what Bill Maher said about a disappointing friend versus a deadly enemy. n/t	Ian David	Nov 2012	#111
You say, "good job, son."	aikoaiko	Nov 2012	#112
"The lesser of two evils" is a favorite ploy by both of the establishment parties.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Nov 2012	#113
No, it's a necessary part of being domesticated primates	melody	Nov 2012	#176
No, it's a realistic assessment based on the fact that every human being is flawed.	pnwmom	Nov 2012	#180
He's not far off despite what many think here	davidn3600	Nov 2012	#114
Obama spent 4 entire years refusing to bomb Iran.	allrevvedup	Nov 2012	#117
Your son summed it up pretty well. There will always be good and evil.	southernyankeebelle	Nov 2012	#115
That he is spot on correct!	MadHound	Nov 2012	#116
No, her son is well intentioned, but he's not correct.	allrevvedup	Nov 2012	#119
Let's see here,	MadHound	Nov 2012	#124
No, it wasn't a false assumption, but an established fact now.	eqfan592	Nov 2012	#128
Can you refute anything I've mentioned?	MadHound	Nov 2012	#139
It's a question of scale. Al-Awlaki is not Pat Tillman	allrevvedup	Nov 2012	#146
You hit the nail right on the head. nt	eqfan592	Nov 2012	#148
You draw upon some strange comparisons to try and make your point.	MadHound	Nov 2012	#155
Bush-Cheney started TWO elective wars	allrevvedup	Nov 2012	#158
Tell him to work his ass off	MH1	Nov 2012	#121
Sorry, not buying it.	Scurrilous	Nov 2012	#122
;-)	WinkyDink	Nov 2012	#166
Welcome to DU.	peace13	Nov 2012	#126
How many times, over his 21 years has he heard you say just that about an election?	Sekhmets Daughter	Nov 2012	#127
Tell him the truth	NoOneMan	Nov 2012	#130
"..and very politically aware"	JNelson6563	Nov 2012	#131
It's always been the lesser of two evils & anyone who says otherwise is lying to you. PO has never	patrice	Nov 2012	#132
Let me get this straight: Obama is the "lesser of two evils"?	WinkyDink	Nov 2012	#167
I'm borrowing common verbiage to illustrate my larger point about processes. I'm in the habit of	patrice	Nov 2012	#170
Which also, btw, begs the question as to how much lesser. There is no free lunch, but some	patrice	Nov 2012	#171
you could say to him:	Whisp	Nov 2012	#133
Here's some food for thought...	Hippo_Tron	Nov 2012	#134
There may be just a few here on DU who might agree with your son on the foreign policy issue	Fla Dem	Nov 2012	#135
It's true, unfortunately.	alarimer	Nov 2012	#140
The American citizen in question was a traitor who aided al-Qaeda in killing other Americans.	BlueStater	Nov 2012	#149
if your son, who is essentially correct, is actually as political aware as you say, he isn't gonna be	boilerbabe	Nov 2012	#151
He's not wrong about the drone strikes. They are inexcusable.	DirkGently	Nov 2012	#152
President Bush killed a gazillion Americans and ferners. Did your son talk about that?	valerief	Nov 2012	#153
Your son obviously is smart enough to see the long term consequences	fujiyama	Nov 2012	#154
Does your son prefer boots on the ground,	mzmolly	Nov 2012	#156
Tell him he's a smart kid who's got it pretty well figured out.	JackRiddler	Nov 2012	#159
My kid says some of the same things.	renie408	Nov 2012	#161
OP #43 on "Help me, DU, against this CRITICISM OF OBAMA WHICH I'M COMPELLED TO POST.."	WinkyDink	Nov 2012	#162
No...	renie408	Nov 2012	#169
Tell him to ask Mitt Romney for a loan.	JoePhilly	Nov 2012	#164
Drones are bad, but they're the future. They kill dozens of innocents...	Bucky	Nov 2012	#172
No one in this thread is offering a solution or a plan.	reusrename	Nov 2012	#173
The Supreme Court did NOT do those things.	Savannahmann	Nov 2012	#182
The facts are what they are.	reusrename	Nov 2012	#188
Pfui	Savannahmann	Nov 2012	#191
Well he's right.	Puregonzo1188	Nov 2012	#177
Life is always choosing the lesser of two evils because every single one of us is flawed.	pnwmom	Nov 2012	#178
It's not just that one of his drone strikes killed an American citizen	Time for change	Nov 2012	#185
Send him to an upper level poly sci class.	DevonRex	Nov 2012	#187
Perhaps we should consider the message.	Savannahmann	Nov 2012	#190
What do you say to him? Tell him he's right! But also tell him that if we nominated a candidate he	Texas Lawyer	Nov 2012	#192
here: bu$h* STARTED two wars....Obama ENDED two wars...startling difference	spanone	Nov 2012	#194

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