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That fine American institution of sugary snacks and horrible white bread going out of business!? geckosfeet Nov 2012 #1
That's exactly what a local right wing radio host said yesterday. proud2BlibKansan Nov 2012 #17
Really? That surprises me. Happyhippychick Nov 2012 #20
WHY? HE knew it was about the unions and fair compensation, not the food. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #25
It is both, actually BlueStreak Nov 2012 #119
hostess brands make wheat bread. that's a right wing talking point, which is why rush HiPointDem Nov 2012 #247
This web page tells it all BlueStreak Nov 2012 #273
wonder has a wheat variety JVS Nov 2012 #29
Yes, but no one believes they really use wheat. lalalu Nov 2012 #39
hostess also = nature's pride, colombo, and some others. they make wheat bread. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #248
Define "wheat". nt wtmusic Nov 2012 #304
Real wheat, real whole grains. lalalu Nov 2012 #305
Yes I know. proud2BlibKansan Nov 2012 #45
What does he think the flour they use is made from? Ikonoklast Nov 2012 #178
Well I didn't hear it from them/him. But I did hear about the crappy pay packages Hostess was geckosfeet Nov 2012 #287
That was my first thought naaman fletcher Nov 2012 #49
it survived 80+ years,it wasnt doomed from the start rdking647 Nov 2012 #65
twinkies are nothing like they used to be Viva_La_Revolution Nov 2012 #279
SO WHO IS THE REAL DING DONG'S? clydefrand Nov 2012 #136
"doomed from the start"? brooklynite Nov 2012 #165
I've eaten Twinkies my whole life, and I'm 57. Bake Nov 2012 #208
I remember eating Twinkies back in the mid sixties. The cream filled crunch60 Nov 2012 #228
Do they still make Ho Hos and Snowballs? or was that a diff company? Liberal_in_LA Nov 2012 #234
Yes they make Snowballs and Ho,Ho's didn't really like them, I only liked Ding Dong's crunch60 Nov 2012 #246
I don't like coconut so didn't like snowballs Liberal_in_LA Nov 2012 #263
exact reason I didn't like snowballs...the coconut crunch60 Nov 2012 #274
I like coconut - for me it was the marshmallow. Spirochete Nov 2012 #278
no marshmallow in suzie-q's shanti Nov 2012 #291
Are you sure? Spirochete Nov 2012 #294
suzie q's have a kream filling, like twinkies shanti Nov 2012 #296
Hmmm... OK Spirochete Nov 2012 #303
Little Debbie Chellee Nov 2012 #258
non-union. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #277
Yeah. I'm a nanny. Have another twinkie. geckosfeet Nov 2012 #288
It must be nice to be able to aquire whatever luxurious, ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2012 #268
Won't the liquidation simply move the trademarks to other firms? JVS Nov 2012 #2
And that would do WHAT, exactly, FOR the erstwhile hostess employees? WinkyDink Nov 2012 #10
If there is a demand for the product, another company will sell it. Ian David Nov 2012 #30
Quite true. Besides, there are already plenty of bread companies razorman Nov 2012 #53
unless they have spare capacity at their bakerys rdking647 Nov 2012 #66
There is THAT. n/t Ian David Nov 2012 #116
Oh, they are fucked. AngryAmish Nov 2012 #69
Sounds like America to me. jp11 Nov 2012 #244
I suspect that is their plan to liquidate and reacquire the trademarks and start a new company.. DCBob Nov 2012 #62
Pension debt is non-dischargeable AngryAmish Nov 2012 #70
Tell the workers at United Air Lines about that. BlueStreak Nov 2012 #122
United was a Chapter 11 reorganization, not a chapter 7 liquidation AngryAmish Nov 2012 #129
hostess declared chap 11 in jan. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #154
But now they are liquidating. Correct? Which would mean converting to 7. No? Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2012 #297
Bingo crazylikafox Nov 2012 #83
Not to worry. There's enough Twinkies on the shelves to last several decades ... Scuba Nov 2012 #3
+1000 (years) librechik Nov 2012 #89
LOL! protect our future Nov 2012 #132
Its sad for the employees Sedona Nov 2012 #4
Wow. Your throwaway line of "It's sad for the employees" is touching. NOT. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #14
I agree with you. Marketing crap to kids bothers me. Happyhippychick Nov 2012 #23
I haven't eaten any of their products in decades. lalalu Nov 2012 #34
Yes! Sedona Nov 2012 #98
Not since there are far better snack available pretty much anywhere you look... WCGreen Nov 2012 #141
What? Their food is a marvel of engineering. nt caseymoz Nov 2012 #133
baloney HiPointDem Nov 2012 #155
... and all because they'd rather pay executives exorbitant salaries ... surrealAmerican Nov 2012 #5
This isn't a JOKE. The REST of the story involves the Bakers' Union, fair compensation, and Wall St. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #6
Yep....that's the real story. The workers won't knuckle under, so the owners are taking.... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #15
Shouldn't "bankrupt" mean that... dchill Nov 2012 #38
That's what I thought. Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2012 #77
the owners of the company will get zero rdking647 Nov 2012 #181
most of the unions agreed to the cuts rdking647 Nov 2012 #63
Sorry, I didn't realize a living wage was stupid Savannahmann Nov 2012 #88
So current wage = living wage, 8% cut = slave labor? DesMoinesDem Nov 2012 #108
I know that cuts this year, mean more cuts next year. Savannahmann Nov 2012 #115
But you don't know how much they made and were offered DesMoinesDem Nov 2012 #128
Do you know? demwing Nov 2012 #174
I didn't defend it. DesMoinesDem Nov 2012 #229
"I don't know what they are paid..." MrMickeysMom Nov 2012 #257
I assumed nothing. DesMoinesDem Nov 2012 #266
That's what people say when they've been threatened by logic... MrMickeysMom Nov 2012 #295
No, that is the response you get when you use no logic. DesMoinesDem Nov 2012 #298
Really? MrMickeysMom Nov 2012 #307
how can you still not understand? Seriously? DesMoinesDem Nov 2012 #309
Buh-bye... MrMickeysMom Nov 2012 #310
You finally realized you're wrong! DesMoinesDem Nov 2012 #311
If that makes you feel better about yourself... Go for it, DD MrMickeysMom Nov 2012 #312
I don't need validation for basic math problems. DesMoinesDem Nov 2012 #313
Let me get this straight. Savannahmann Nov 2012 #223
You can't answer the question because you are completely ignorant DesMoinesDem Nov 2012 #231
Let's see just how ignorant you are DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2012 #243
Do I even bother responding to you when it is obvious you can't read? DesMoinesDem Nov 2012 #249
Well, you did bother responding to me, so I'm guessing the answer to your rhetorical is "yes". DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2012 #280
What kind of Dem are you? Savannahmann Nov 2012 #272
All you have are strawmen. DesMoinesDem Nov 2012 #282
Uh- oh... MrMickeysMom Nov 2012 #308
Well, here are some numbers for you: sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #292
Well, they won't have to worry about any cuts next year AlexSatan Nov 2012 #131
and if you didnt like it you could find another job rdking647 Nov 2012 #164
Maybe you should learn a little more about what was going on before attacking sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #293
no one forces then to work there rdking647 Nov 2012 #111
Then Hostess could hire Scabs couldn't they? Savannahmann Nov 2012 #123
Top 4 Hostess executives have been making $1 per year since April, 2012. So do they kelly1mm Nov 2012 #143
Six months before filing for Chapter 11, ronnie624 Nov 2012 #148
oh, bull. that was a PR move after a court found they'd raised their own salaries 80% HiPointDem Nov 2012 #158
Always coming down on the side of Management. ALWAYS. Ikonoklast Nov 2012 #188
are there no workhouses? no debtors prisons? frylock Nov 2012 #184
"No one forces them to work there." eqfan592 Nov 2012 #189
K&R! proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #219
CORRECT Skittles Nov 2012 #250
Look at the right wingers come out of the woodwork...nt Union Scribe Nov 2012 #254
Boo! BarackTheVote Nov 2012 #90
They took big cuts in 2004 Omaha Steve Nov 2012 #152
hostess stopped making payments to the pension fund last year. unilaterally. against HiPointDem Nov 2012 #156
7 fucking CEOs in 10 years.. frylock Nov 2012 #183
+1 gollygee Nov 2012 #216
Oh no, things can get violent with Twinkie addicts. lalalu Nov 2012 #7
SNOWBALLS!!!! nt msanthrope Nov 2012 #9
I remember peeling off and eating the marshmallow part maryellen99 Nov 2012 #21
Even as a kid I couldn't eat them. lalalu Nov 2012 #40
How many type II diabetics owe their lot to Hostess? hlthe2b Nov 2012 #8
That's the least I'd expect from a DEMOCRAT. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #11
Meaning WHAT? hlthe2b Nov 2012 #44
It is not that easy to explain diabetes, type 1 and type 2. Jennicut Nov 2012 #78
Thank you for pointing that out Floyd_Gondolli Nov 2012 #85
You need to do some research yourself. hlthe2b Nov 2012 #94
Of course that's not what I wrote Floyd_Gondolli Nov 2012 #114
I tried. Jennicut Nov 2012 #145
you don't get diabetes (T2) from eating sugary foods. you get diabetes from eating too HiPointDem Nov 2012 #159
GOod Lord... Hostess and its fiber free highly processed white bread and sugary products are hlthe2b Nov 2012 #92
I was diagnosed as a type 2 first. Jennicut Nov 2012 #144
None AlexSatan Nov 2012 #84
Union-made HFCS-based packaged snack foods can't hurt you slackmaster Nov 2012 #139
Sad proud2BlibKansan Nov 2012 #12
I don't think many here understand: this is another body blow to unions and the labor movement n/t Bolo Boffin Nov 2012 #13
Not enough read my post up-thread, it seems. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #18
It's as bad as what happened to the air traffic controllers. proud2BlibKansan Nov 2012 #22
For a brand-conscious society like ours, it may be even worse. Bolo Boffin Nov 2012 #28
A lot of people who now lalalu Nov 2012 #37
I agree and that is the only sad part. lalalu Nov 2012 #26
This impacts people I know. :( PeaceNikki Nov 2012 #50
I definitely get that. Chan790 Nov 2012 #54
Yes, But RobinA Nov 2012 #58
in the minds of some rdking647 Nov 2012 #79
+ infinity Bake Nov 2012 #212
Knowing them, they would claim you are unhealthy and refuse to bite you. Jamastiene Nov 2012 #315
+1 Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #76
they're too busy worrying about what other people eat. it's a democratic principle, HiPointDem Nov 2012 #161
This message was self-deleted by its author Jeff In Milwaukee Nov 2012 #16
Oh, the laff-riot is such a help to the now-unemployed UNION MEMBERS. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #19
Your point is well-taken. Post is deleted. Jeff In Milwaukee Nov 2012 #27
WHERE ARE THE DU DEMOCRATS? THIS WAS A UNION STRUGGLE, NOT A COMEDY. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #24
no shit PeaceNikki Nov 2012 #51
+1...nt SidDithers Nov 2012 #56
+2 Starry Messenger Nov 2012 #95
+1,000,000,000 x 1,000,000,000 - n/t coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #105
This Democrat thinks human nutrition transcends political alliances slackmaster Nov 2012 #142
yeah, it's too bad 20,000 people & their kids won't eat at all, but it's necessary HiPointDem Nov 2012 #167
That's right. Next step should be to put the tobacco companies out of business. slackmaster Nov 2012 #203
not sure what your point is but you seem to have a problem with unions. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #209
Unions are great, but the fact that a company that makes harmful products uses union labor... slackmaster Nov 2012 #218
there will be plenty of non-union companies who will step in to pick up the slack. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #226
Define "harmful". The FDA disagrees with you. Ikonoklast Nov 2012 #230
so what other businesses do you propose be shut down for the sake of health and nutrition? frylock Nov 2012 #242
+1, at least there are some of us left. nt Union Scribe Nov 2012 #255
+2 Another Union Brother reporting in. UE here. nt rDigital Nov 2012 #260
This is just plain old union busting gollygee Nov 2012 #31
True. n/t OneGrassRoot Nov 2012 #35
perhaps the employees can take over the business Sunlei Nov 2012 #32
+1. dchill Nov 2012 #42
Consumers prefer the cheaper, longer shelf-life product. Codeine Nov 2012 #46
So maybe it's time we all learn that the top-down business model is flawed? ananda Nov 2012 #33
It's sad, but the truth is that their sales have been declining for a while... reformist2 Nov 2012 #36
scuse me? revenues were $2.798 BILLION in 2008. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #169
So what? I'm sure their expenses were just as high, if not higher. reformist2 Nov 2012 #173
no, their hedge fund debt load was higher. the union gave them $110 million/year HiPointDem Nov 2012 #221
and their net income was -US$143.68million hardly enough to stay in business cbdo2007 Nov 2012 #176
yes, purposely loading up on hedge fund debt, accounting fraud & looting can do that. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #227
Yep, and always people who don't understand economics trying to make economic points. cbdo2007 Nov 2012 #240
lol. "The whole business was about maximizing debt, extracting cash, cutting head HiPointDem Nov 2012 #241
Of course, everyone who is good at math did *sarcasm* cbdo2007 Nov 2012 #271
The first sign you've lost an argument is when you start the personal attacks. That's HiPointDem Nov 2012 #275
Facts are now personal attacks??? cbdo2007 Nov 2012 #290
revenue doesn mean shit if expenses are higher than that rdking647 Nov 2012 #187
"expenses" = all the debt the vulture hedge funds loaded them up with, plus a soupcon HiPointDem Nov 2012 #217
Apparently this union took cuts in 2008 as well. jackbenimble Nov 2012 #215
It'd be nice if the unions could buy them out and run it like the Alvarado Street Bakery... nt Comrade_McKenzie Nov 2012 #41
Damn. Working in grocery means I know a lot of folks Codeine Nov 2012 #43
Meanwhile, calico1 Nov 2012 #47
2nd bankruptcy for this company dixiegrrrrl Nov 2012 #48
3rd. 2004, & they'd already filed chap 11 in Jan. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #170
Wow..sounds like bankruptcy is a business model. dixiegrrrrl Nov 2012 #259
Twinkies! I ate some back in the 70s. Autumn Nov 2012 #52
goodbye old friends MFM008 Nov 2012 #55
Your parents were horrible people Floyd_Gondolli Nov 2012 #126
+1. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #171
+1000 Bad_Ronald Nov 2012 #245
Get the word out, folks: This is the owners framing the unions for the demise of the company. Bolo Boffin Nov 2012 #57
also, executives took huge increases in July while screwing labor PeaceNikki Nov 2012 #60
may have....... rdking647 Nov 2012 #64
they DID. The "may have" is they may have broken bankruptcy laws. PeaceNikki Nov 2012 #74
from teh same article rdking647 Nov 2012 #75
They DID. No 'maybe' about it. They extracted $100 million in concessions from HiPointDem Nov 2012 #175
More union busting from the 1 % Marrah_G Nov 2012 #59
I drive by the Wonder/Hostess plant in Hodgkins, IL Paulie Nov 2012 #61
They should blame the liquidation on the hedge funds that own them. Plaid Adder Nov 2012 #67
^^^ THIS ^^^ BumRushDaShow Nov 2012 #68
i have a question. is an 8% pay cut and 25% benefit cut better than 100% rdking647 Nov 2012 #72
Sometimes in life, principle IS everything. TPTB would never have stopped. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #81
principle doesnt put food on the table rdking647 Nov 2012 #112
I've walked a picket line, more than once. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #157
theres a difference between a picket line rdking647 Nov 2012 #180
So you'll take an 8 percent cut FightForMichigan Nov 2012 #86
How cheap would you do it? PD Turk Nov 2012 #104
if the choice is take the cut or no job then you take the cut rdking647 Nov 2012 #110
You haven't answered the qeustion, rdking FightForMichigan Nov 2012 #118
whats better 10.60 or 0 rdking647 Nov 2012 #151
Seriously? $0 FightForMichigan Nov 2012 #160
yes they can leave rdking647 Nov 2012 #162
It's almost the same I received in unemployment FightForMichigan Nov 2012 #172
the average unemployment check is about 300/week rdking647 Nov 2012 #179
I'm ending this FightForMichigan Nov 2012 #186
im sorry but i live in the real world rdking647 Nov 2012 #192
It's worse than that FightForMichigan Nov 2012 #193
so what would you do rdking647 Nov 2012 #198
yeah, they can leave and go out to look for a job in an environment of 8% unemploy- HiPointDem Nov 2012 #185
Yes, exactly FightForMichigan Nov 2012 #190
heres what one of hostesses unions had to say rdking647 Nov 2012 #210
unfortunately, your case is not the norm. most people who are laid off get reemployed HiPointDem Nov 2012 #214
I do know FightForMichigan Nov 2012 #222
i agree in general. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #225
They were going to shut it down anyway PD Turk Nov 2012 #125
bull. the company got $100 million/year in concessions from the union in 2009, then HiPointDem Nov 2012 #182
Amen to that - equity firms are one of the single biggest evils facing the world right now. Initech Nov 2012 #163
+1000 Coexist Nov 2012 #306
CEO, just now on CNBC: "30% of workforce responsible for 18,500 out of a job". HughBeaumont Nov 2012 #71
in this case its true rdking647 Nov 2012 #73
Don't let the facts get in your way. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #82
No, the truth is that management is responsible for 100% of the decision to liquidate the company. leveymg Nov 2012 #80
This, exactly. FightForMichigan Nov 2012 #87
It's actually privately held, according to Wikipedia, although it may coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #113
Same principles basically still apply. leveymg Nov 2012 #224
Agreed, but because it's not publicly traded, its operations coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #252
Deliberately engineered democraticinsurgent Nov 2012 #91
+1. and i'll bet that was a higher-paid worker, as the media generally chooses some- HiPointDem Nov 2012 #191
Dolly Madison PD Turk Nov 2012 #93
Dolly Madison is owned by "Hostess." 99Forever Nov 2012 #97
Yep PD Turk Nov 2012 #100
as i understand it, interstate was renamed "hostess brands" after the last HiPointDem Nov 2012 #194
Another 1% corporation FUCKS it's employees... 99Forever Nov 2012 #96
The twinkie brand has been on the chopping block for years. Sheepshank Nov 2012 #99
the company had over $2 billion in revenues in 2008. They're the biggest company HiPointDem Nov 2012 #196
Hostess was cobbled together out of many mergers; there is probably no advantage to scale anymore FarCenter Nov 2012 #101
Really? They'd shoot themselves in the foot like that? liberalmuse Nov 2012 #102
Large corporations generally provide better jobs than small businesses FarCenter Nov 2012 #109
as someone else pointed out warrprayer Nov 2012 #103
Yup......they can't afford the workers........... thelordofhell Nov 2012 #106
he cant stop it. rdking647 Nov 2012 #117
thats a total of about 8m in salarys rdking647 Nov 2012 #120
Why stop there! FightForMichigan Nov 2012 #121
its pretty obvious you dont know how BK actually works rdking647 Nov 2012 #149
Wrong FightForMichigan Nov 2012 #150
you went thru a corporate bankruptcy???????????? rdking647 Nov 2012 #168
Personal bankruptcy after being laid off from a job where I reported on corporate bankruptcy FightForMichigan Nov 2012 #177
+1. "Control fraud". HiPointDem Nov 2012 #202
shhhh AlexSatan Nov 2012 #134
+1. and concurrent with the raises, they suspended payments to the workers' HiPointDem Nov 2012 #199
How much do you want to bet.... PennsylvaniaMatt Nov 2012 #107
Same old story: the executives steal it for themselves while the employees suffer Initech Nov 2012 #124
I cannot say I am surprised nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #127
It certainly is telling, when ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #130
+1 Savannahmann Nov 2012 #135
Criminal charges need to be brought against the owners BanTheGOP Nov 2012 #137
Doubt you'd have much success with that. They've been in Chapter 11 since January. Kablooie Nov 2012 #197
But the company has been screwing the workers for DECADES. BanTheGOP Nov 2012 #200
Maybe they can share the cell next to you Riftaxe Nov 2012 #270
It's unfortunate they couldn't come to a workable deal that included production of better foods slackmaster Nov 2012 #138
DING DONG the witch's bread... Atman Nov 2012 #140
hostess has gone through two bankruptcies since 2004 in order to shed workers & HiPointDem Nov 2012 #146
I love the movie Zombieland. This will forever change an aspect of this dialog. Lint Head Nov 2012 #147
Maybe too many people have stopped eating artificial crap full of Zorra Nov 2012 #153
According to Wikipedia, the company is privately owned. So there are coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #166
I'd suggest seizing the plant. n/t backscatter712 Nov 2012 #195
It seems business owners are deliberately punishing workers by making this Zorra Nov 2012 #220
They're located in Irving, TX, long known as a hotbed of coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #251
The workers are screwn. nt Zorra Nov 2012 #267
over two billion in revenues in 2008. so doubtful. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #204
Wow! Thank you. nt Zorra Nov 2012 #236
"declining sales and lost market share" Zorra Nov 2012 #264
regardless, $2+ B in revenues in 2008. so that's a damn big market, & hostess is the HiPointDem Nov 2012 #269
The Little Debbie people must be thrilled valerief Nov 2012 #201
yeah, non-union, southern, 7th-day adventist chicken torturer. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #205
Pumpkin Delights have CHICKEN in them? slackmaster Nov 2012 #207
eggs. baked goods. not sure why this is so hard for you. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #211
And the Bimbo people slackmaster Nov 2012 #206
Just another vulture capitalist scam. SubgeniusHasSlack Nov 2012 #213
After living in the South for 13 years, I have been converted to Little Debbie's aikoaiko Nov 2012 #232
non-union, 7th day adventist chicken torturer. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #235
I'm sure there were no chickens harmed in the making of my Swiss Rolls or Christmas Tree cakes aikoaiko Nov 2012 #256
cake = eggs. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #265
that's true, isn't it. aikoaiko Nov 2012 #281
yes, we can all "live with it". until we can't. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #284
Just a legal move.. SoCalDem Nov 2012 #233
My first thought was that the closing of this business has nothing to do with the INdemo Nov 2012 #237
Funny, DUers were all over mitt romney for the same stuff, now some are defending HiPointDem Nov 2012 #238
This will be a bad thing when the Zombie Apocalypse comes. Whovian Nov 2012 #239
Hostess has filed bankrupcty twice. It was very poorly managed. dem4ward Nov 2012 #253
More corporate raiders and labor rapists looking to blame unions for their woes. You rDigital Nov 2012 #261
My first thought aroach Nov 2012 #262
I tried to buy a box of Twinkies today jonpaulprime Nov 2012 #276
Hard choice in the end Riftaxe Nov 2012 #283
CEO of Hostess was awarded a 300 percent raise Go Vols Nov 2012 #285
The twinkies have a shelf life comparable to nuclear waste Generic Other Nov 2012 #286
i love coming to DU to read anti-union sentiments. KG Nov 2012 #289
The CEO of Hostess is a very liberal Democrat and posts to DU! Forthelulz Nov 2012 #299
Welcome to DU! hrmjustin Nov 2012 #300
Thank you Forthelulz Nov 2012 #301
Why didn't you post the entire article? The problem isn't limited to "Democrat" and "Republican" nc4bo Nov 2012 #302
My wife told me last night that we're all done having children, hughee99 Nov 2012 #314
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