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Fri Nov 16, 2012, 10:32 AM

Nov 2012

But in truth there are no black hats or white knights in this tale. It's about shades of gray, where obstinacy, miscalculation, and lousy luck connived to create corporate catastrophe. Almost none of the parties involved would speak on the record. Still, it's clear from court documents and background interviews with a range of sources that practically nobody involved can shoot straight: The Teamsters remain stuck in a time warp, unwilling to sufficiently adapt in a competitive marketplace. The PE firm failed to turn Hostess around after taking it over. The hedgies can't see beyond their internal rates of return. Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

all re to blame but now it comes down to a choice.
accept a pay cut or lose your job. the union,without a secret ballot chose everyone loses their job

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BREAKING: Hostess, the maker of Twinkies, Ding Dongs and Wonder Bread, is going out of business [View all] The Straight Story Nov 2012 OP

That fine American institution of sugary snacks and horrible white bread going out of business!? geckosfeet Nov 2012 #1

That's exactly what a local right wing radio host said yesterday. proud2BlibKansan Nov 2012 #17

Really? That surprises me. Happyhippychick Nov 2012 #20

WHY? HE knew it was about the unions and fair compensation, not the food. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #25

It is both, actually BlueStreak Nov 2012 #119

hostess brands make wheat bread. that's a right wing talking point, which is why rush HiPointDem Nov 2012 #247

This web page tells it all BlueStreak Nov 2012 #273

wonder has a wheat variety JVS Nov 2012 #29

Yes, but no one believes they really use wheat. lalalu Nov 2012 #39

hostess also = nature's pride, colombo, and some others. they make wheat bread. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #248

Define "wheat". nt wtmusic Nov 2012 #304

Real wheat, real whole grains. lalalu Nov 2012 #305

Yes I know. proud2BlibKansan Nov 2012 #45

What does he think the flour they use is made from? Ikonoklast Nov 2012 #178

Well I didn't hear it from them/him. But I did hear about the crappy pay packages Hostess was geckosfeet Nov 2012 #287

That was my first thought naaman fletcher Nov 2012 #49

it survived 80+ years,it wasnt doomed from the start rdking647 Nov 2012 #65

twinkies are nothing like they used to be Viva_La_Revolution Nov 2012 #279

SO WHO IS THE REAL DING DONG'S? clydefrand Nov 2012 #136

"doomed from the start"? brooklynite Nov 2012 #165

I've eaten Twinkies my whole life, and I'm 57. Bake Nov 2012 #208

I remember eating Twinkies back in the mid sixties. The cream filled crunch60 Nov 2012 #228

Do they still make Ho Hos and Snowballs? or was that a diff company? Liberal_in_LA Nov 2012 #234

Yes they make Snowballs and Ho,Ho's didn't really like them, I only liked Ding Dong's crunch60 Nov 2012 #246

I don't like coconut so didn't like snowballs Liberal_in_LA Nov 2012 #263

exact reason I didn't like snowballs...the coconut crunch60 Nov 2012 #274

I like coconut - for me it was the marshmallow. Spirochete Nov 2012 #278

no marshmallow in suzie-q's shanti Nov 2012 #291

Are you sure? Spirochete Nov 2012 #294

suzie q's have a kream filling, like twinkies shanti Nov 2012 #296

Hmmm... OK Spirochete Nov 2012 #303

Little Debbie Chellee Nov 2012 #258

non-union. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #277

Yeah. I'm a nanny. Have another twinkie. geckosfeet Nov 2012 #288

It must be nice to be able to aquire whatever luxurious, ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2012 #268

Won't the liquidation simply move the trademarks to other firms? JVS Nov 2012 #2

And that would do WHAT, exactly, FOR the erstwhile hostess employees? WinkyDink Nov 2012 #10

If there is a demand for the product, another company will sell it. Ian David Nov 2012 #30

Quite true. Besides, there are already plenty of bread companies razorman Nov 2012 #53

unless they have spare capacity at their bakerys rdking647 Nov 2012 #66

There is THAT. n/t Ian David Nov 2012 #116

Oh, they are fucked. AngryAmish Nov 2012 #69

Sounds like America to me. jp11 Nov 2012 #244

I suspect that is their plan to liquidate and reacquire the trademarks and start a new company.. DCBob Nov 2012 #62

Pension debt is non-dischargeable AngryAmish Nov 2012 #70

Tell the workers at United Air Lines about that. BlueStreak Nov 2012 #122

United was a Chapter 11 reorganization, not a chapter 7 liquidation AngryAmish Nov 2012 #129

hostess declared chap 11 in jan. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #154

But now they are liquidating. Correct? Which would mean converting to 7. No? Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2012 #297

Bingo crazylikafox Nov 2012 #83

Not to worry. There's enough Twinkies on the shelves to last several decades ... Scuba Nov 2012 #3

+1000 (years) librechik Nov 2012 #89

LOL! protect our future Nov 2012 #132

Its sad for the employees Sedona Nov 2012 #4

Wow. Your throwaway line of "It's sad for the employees" is touching. NOT. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #14

I agree with you. Marketing crap to kids bothers me. Happyhippychick Nov 2012 #23

I haven't eaten any of their products in decades. lalalu Nov 2012 #34

Yes! Sedona Nov 2012 #98

Not since there are far better snack available pretty much anywhere you look... WCGreen Nov 2012 #141

What? Their food is a marvel of engineering. nt caseymoz Nov 2012 #133

baloney HiPointDem Nov 2012 #155

... and all because they'd rather pay executives exorbitant salaries ... surrealAmerican Nov 2012 #5

This isn't a JOKE. The REST of the story involves the Bakers' Union, fair compensation, and Wall St. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #6

Yep....that's the real story. The workers won't knuckle under, so the owners are taking.... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #15

Shouldn't "bankrupt" mean that... dchill Nov 2012 #38

That's what I thought. Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2012 #77

the owners of the company will get zero rdking647 Nov 2012 #181

most of the unions agreed to the cuts rdking647 Nov 2012 #63

Sorry, I didn't realize a living wage was stupid Savannahmann Nov 2012 #88

So current wage = living wage, 8% cut = slave labor? DesMoinesDem Nov 2012 #108

I know that cuts this year, mean more cuts next year. Savannahmann Nov 2012 #115

But you don't know how much they made and were offered DesMoinesDem Nov 2012 #128

Do you know? demwing Nov 2012 #174

I didn't defend it. DesMoinesDem Nov 2012 #229

"I don't know what they are paid..." MrMickeysMom Nov 2012 #257

I assumed nothing. DesMoinesDem Nov 2012 #266

That's what people say when they've been threatened by logic... MrMickeysMom Nov 2012 #295

No, that is the response you get when you use no logic. DesMoinesDem Nov 2012 #298

Really? MrMickeysMom Nov 2012 #307

how can you still not understand? Seriously? DesMoinesDem Nov 2012 #309

Buh-bye... MrMickeysMom Nov 2012 #310

You finally realized you're wrong! DesMoinesDem Nov 2012 #311

If that makes you feel better about yourself... Go for it, DD MrMickeysMom Nov 2012 #312

I don't need validation for basic math problems. DesMoinesDem Nov 2012 #313

Let me get this straight. Savannahmann Nov 2012 #223

You can't answer the question because you are completely ignorant DesMoinesDem Nov 2012 #231

Let's see just how ignorant you are DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2012 #243

Do I even bother responding to you when it is obvious you can't read? DesMoinesDem Nov 2012 #249

Well, you did bother responding to me, so I'm guessing the answer to your rhetorical is "yes". DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2012 #280

What kind of Dem are you? Savannahmann Nov 2012 #272

All you have are strawmen. DesMoinesDem Nov 2012 #282

Uh- oh... MrMickeysMom Nov 2012 #308

Well, here are some numbers for you: sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #292

Well, they won't have to worry about any cuts next year AlexSatan Nov 2012 #131

and if you didnt like it you could find another job rdking647 Nov 2012 #164

Maybe you should learn a little more about what was going on before attacking sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #293

no one forces then to work there rdking647 Nov 2012 #111

Then Hostess could hire Scabs couldn't they? Savannahmann Nov 2012 #123

Top 4 Hostess executives have been making $1 per year since April, 2012. So do they kelly1mm Nov 2012 #143

Six months before filing for Chapter 11, ronnie624 Nov 2012 #148

oh, bull. that was a PR move after a court found they'd raised their own salaries 80% HiPointDem Nov 2012 #158

Always coming down on the side of Management. ALWAYS. Ikonoklast Nov 2012 #188

are there no workhouses? no debtors prisons? frylock Nov 2012 #184

"No one forces them to work there." eqfan592 Nov 2012 #189

K&R! proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #219

CORRECT Skittles Nov 2012 #250

Look at the right wingers come out of the woodwork...nt Union Scribe Nov 2012 #254

Boo! BarackTheVote Nov 2012 #90

They took big cuts in 2004 Omaha Steve Nov 2012 #152

hostess stopped making payments to the pension fund last year. unilaterally. against HiPointDem Nov 2012 #156

7 fucking CEOs in 10 years.. frylock Nov 2012 #183

+1 gollygee Nov 2012 #216

Oh no, things can get violent with Twinkie addicts. lalalu Nov 2012 #7

SNOWBALLS!!!! nt msanthrope Nov 2012 #9

I remember peeling off and eating the marshmallow part maryellen99 Nov 2012 #21

Even as a kid I couldn't eat them. lalalu Nov 2012 #40

How many type II diabetics owe their lot to Hostess? hlthe2b Nov 2012 #8

That's the least I'd expect from a DEMOCRAT. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #11

Meaning WHAT? hlthe2b Nov 2012 #44

It is not that easy to explain diabetes, type 1 and type 2. Jennicut Nov 2012 #78

Thank you for pointing that out Floyd_Gondolli Nov 2012 #85

You need to do some research yourself. hlthe2b Nov 2012 #94

Of course that's not what I wrote Floyd_Gondolli Nov 2012 #114

I tried. Jennicut Nov 2012 #145

you don't get diabetes (T2) from eating sugary foods. you get diabetes from eating too HiPointDem Nov 2012 #159

GOod Lord... Hostess and its fiber free highly processed white bread and sugary products are hlthe2b Nov 2012 #92

I was diagnosed as a type 2 first. Jennicut Nov 2012 #144

None AlexSatan Nov 2012 #84

Union-made HFCS-based packaged snack foods can't hurt you slackmaster Nov 2012 #139

Sad proud2BlibKansan Nov 2012 #12

I don't think many here understand: this is another body blow to unions and the labor movement n/t Bolo Boffin Nov 2012 #13

Not enough read my post up-thread, it seems. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #18

It's as bad as what happened to the air traffic controllers. proud2BlibKansan Nov 2012 #22

For a brand-conscious society like ours, it may be even worse. Bolo Boffin Nov 2012 #28

A lot of people who now lalalu Nov 2012 #37

I agree and that is the only sad part. lalalu Nov 2012 #26

This impacts people I know. :( PeaceNikki Nov 2012 #50

I definitely get that. Chan790 Nov 2012 #54

Yes, But RobinA Nov 2012 #58

in the minds of some rdking647 Nov 2012 #79

+ infinity Bake Nov 2012 #212

Knowing them, they would claim you are unhealthy and refuse to bite you. Jamastiene Nov 2012 #315

+1 Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #76

they're too busy worrying about what other people eat. it's a democratic principle, HiPointDem Nov 2012 #161

This message was self-deleted by its author Jeff In Milwaukee Nov 2012 #16

Oh, the laff-riot is such a help to the now-unemployed UNION MEMBERS. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #19

Your point is well-taken. Post is deleted. Jeff In Milwaukee Nov 2012 #27

WHERE ARE THE DU DEMOCRATS? THIS WAS A UNION STRUGGLE, NOT A COMEDY. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #24

no shit PeaceNikki Nov 2012 #51

+1...nt SidDithers Nov 2012 #56

+2 Starry Messenger Nov 2012 #95

+1,000,000,000 x 1,000,000,000 - n/t coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #105

This Democrat thinks human nutrition transcends political alliances slackmaster Nov 2012 #142

yeah, it's too bad 20,000 people & their kids won't eat at all, but it's necessary HiPointDem Nov 2012 #167

That's right. Next step should be to put the tobacco companies out of business. slackmaster Nov 2012 #203

not sure what your point is but you seem to have a problem with unions. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #209

Unions are great, but the fact that a company that makes harmful products uses union labor... slackmaster Nov 2012 #218

there will be plenty of non-union companies who will step in to pick up the slack. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #226

Define "harmful". The FDA disagrees with you. Ikonoklast Nov 2012 #230

so what other businesses do you propose be shut down for the sake of health and nutrition? frylock Nov 2012 #242

+1, at least there are some of us left. nt Union Scribe Nov 2012 #255

+2 Another Union Brother reporting in. UE here. nt rDigital Nov 2012 #260

This is just plain old union busting gollygee Nov 2012 #31

True. n/t OneGrassRoot Nov 2012 #35

perhaps the employees can take over the business Sunlei Nov 2012 #32

+1. dchill Nov 2012 #42

Consumers prefer the cheaper, longer shelf-life product. Codeine Nov 2012 #46

So maybe it's time we all learn that the top-down business model is flawed? ananda Nov 2012 #33

It's sad, but the truth is that their sales have been declining for a while... reformist2 Nov 2012 #36

scuse me? revenues were $2.798 BILLION in 2008. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #169

So what? I'm sure their expenses were just as high, if not higher. reformist2 Nov 2012 #173

no, their hedge fund debt load was higher. the union gave them $110 million/year HiPointDem Nov 2012 #221

and their net income was -US$143.68million hardly enough to stay in business cbdo2007 Nov 2012 #176

yes, purposely loading up on hedge fund debt, accounting fraud & looting can do that. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #227

Yep, and always people who don't understand economics trying to make economic points. cbdo2007 Nov 2012 #240

lol. "The whole business was about maximizing debt, extracting cash, cutting head HiPointDem Nov 2012 #241

Of course, everyone who is good at math did *sarcasm* cbdo2007 Nov 2012 #271

The first sign you've lost an argument is when you start the personal attacks. That's HiPointDem Nov 2012 #275

Facts are now personal attacks??? cbdo2007 Nov 2012 #290

revenue doesn mean shit if expenses are higher than that rdking647 Nov 2012 #187

"expenses" = all the debt the vulture hedge funds loaded them up with, plus a soupcon HiPointDem Nov 2012 #217

Apparently this union took cuts in 2008 as well. jackbenimble Nov 2012 #215

It'd be nice if the unions could buy them out and run it like the Alvarado Street Bakery... nt Comrade_McKenzie Nov 2012 #41

Damn. Working in grocery means I know a lot of folks Codeine Nov 2012 #43

Meanwhile, calico1 Nov 2012 #47

2nd bankruptcy for this company dixiegrrrrl Nov 2012 #48

3rd. 2004, & they'd already filed chap 11 in Jan. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #170

Wow..sounds like bankruptcy is a business model. dixiegrrrrl Nov 2012 #259

Twinkies! I ate some back in the 70s. Autumn Nov 2012 #52

goodbye old friends MFM008 Nov 2012 #55

Your parents were horrible people Floyd_Gondolli Nov 2012 #126

+1. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #171

+1000 Bad_Ronald Nov 2012 #245

Get the word out, folks: This is the owners framing the unions for the demise of the company. Bolo Boffin Nov 2012 #57

also, executives took huge increases in July while screwing labor PeaceNikki Nov 2012 #60

may have....... rdking647 Nov 2012 #64

they DID. The "may have" is they may have broken bankruptcy laws. PeaceNikki Nov 2012 #74

from teh same article rdking647 Nov 2012 #75

They DID. No 'maybe' about it. They extracted $100 million in concessions from HiPointDem Nov 2012 #175

More union busting from the 1 % Marrah_G Nov 2012 #59

I drive by the Wonder/Hostess plant in Hodgkins, IL Paulie Nov 2012 #61

They should blame the liquidation on the hedge funds that own them. Plaid Adder Nov 2012 #67

^^^ THIS ^^^ BumRushDaShow Nov 2012 #68

i have a question. is an 8% pay cut and 25% benefit cut better than 100% rdking647 Nov 2012 #72

Sometimes in life, principle IS everything. TPTB would never have stopped. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #81

principle doesnt put food on the table rdking647 Nov 2012 #112

I've walked a picket line, more than once. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #157

theres a difference between a picket line rdking647 Nov 2012 #180

So you'll take an 8 percent cut FightForMichigan Nov 2012 #86

How cheap would you do it? PD Turk Nov 2012 #104

if the choice is take the cut or no job then you take the cut rdking647 Nov 2012 #110

You haven't answered the qeustion, rdking FightForMichigan Nov 2012 #118

whats better 10.60 or 0 rdking647 Nov 2012 #151

Seriously? $0 FightForMichigan Nov 2012 #160

yes they can leave rdking647 Nov 2012 #162

It's almost the same I received in unemployment FightForMichigan Nov 2012 #172

the average unemployment check is about 300/week rdking647 Nov 2012 #179

I'm ending this FightForMichigan Nov 2012 #186

im sorry but i live in the real world rdking647 Nov 2012 #192

It's worse than that FightForMichigan Nov 2012 #193

so what would you do rdking647 Nov 2012 #198

yeah, they can leave and go out to look for a job in an environment of 8% unemploy- HiPointDem Nov 2012 #185

Yes, exactly FightForMichigan Nov 2012 #190

heres what one of hostesses unions had to say rdking647 Nov 2012 #210

unfortunately, your case is not the norm. most people who are laid off get reemployed HiPointDem Nov 2012 #214

I do know FightForMichigan Nov 2012 #222

i agree in general. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #225

They were going to shut it down anyway PD Turk Nov 2012 #125

bull. the company got $100 million/year in concessions from the union in 2009, then HiPointDem Nov 2012 #182

Amen to that - equity firms are one of the single biggest evils facing the world right now. Initech Nov 2012 #163

+1000 Coexist Nov 2012 #306

CEO, just now on CNBC: "30% of workforce responsible for 18,500 out of a job". HughBeaumont Nov 2012 #71

in this case its true rdking647 Nov 2012 #73

Don't let the facts get in your way. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #82

No, the truth is that management is responsible for 100% of the decision to liquidate the company. leveymg Nov 2012 #80

This, exactly. FightForMichigan Nov 2012 #87

It's actually privately held, according to Wikipedia, although it may coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #113

Same principles basically still apply. leveymg Nov 2012 #224

Agreed, but because it's not publicly traded, its operations coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #252

Deliberately engineered democraticinsurgent Nov 2012 #91

+1. and i'll bet that was a higher-paid worker, as the media generally chooses some- HiPointDem Nov 2012 #191

Dolly Madison PD Turk Nov 2012 #93

Dolly Madison is owned by "Hostess." 99Forever Nov 2012 #97

Yep PD Turk Nov 2012 #100

as i understand it, interstate was renamed "hostess brands" after the last HiPointDem Nov 2012 #194

Another 1% corporation FUCKS it's employees... 99Forever Nov 2012 #96

The twinkie brand has been on the chopping block for years. Sheepshank Nov 2012 #99

the company had over $2 billion in revenues in 2008. They're the biggest company HiPointDem Nov 2012 #196

Hostess was cobbled together out of many mergers; there is probably no advantage to scale anymore FarCenter Nov 2012 #101

Really? They'd shoot themselves in the foot like that? liberalmuse Nov 2012 #102

Large corporations generally provide better jobs than small businesses FarCenter Nov 2012 #109

as someone else pointed out warrprayer Nov 2012 #103

Yup......they can't afford the workers........... thelordofhell Nov 2012 #106

he cant stop it. rdking647 Nov 2012 #117

thats a total of about 8m in salarys rdking647 Nov 2012 #120

Why stop there! FightForMichigan Nov 2012 #121

its pretty obvious you dont know how BK actually works rdking647 Nov 2012 #149

Wrong FightForMichigan Nov 2012 #150

you went thru a corporate bankruptcy???????????? rdking647 Nov 2012 #168

Personal bankruptcy after being laid off from a job where I reported on corporate bankruptcy FightForMichigan Nov 2012 #177

+1. "Control fraud". HiPointDem Nov 2012 #202

shhhh AlexSatan Nov 2012 #134

+1. and concurrent with the raises, they suspended payments to the workers' HiPointDem Nov 2012 #199

How much do you want to bet.... PennsylvaniaMatt Nov 2012 #107

Same old story: the executives steal it for themselves while the employees suffer Initech Nov 2012 #124

I cannot say I am surprised nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #127

It certainly is telling, when ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #130

+1 Savannahmann Nov 2012 #135

Criminal charges need to be brought against the owners BanTheGOP Nov 2012 #137

Doubt you'd have much success with that. They've been in Chapter 11 since January. Kablooie Nov 2012 #197

But the company has been screwing the workers for DECADES. BanTheGOP Nov 2012 #200

Maybe they can share the cell next to you Riftaxe Nov 2012 #270

It's unfortunate they couldn't come to a workable deal that included production of better foods slackmaster Nov 2012 #138

DING DONG the witch's bread... Atman Nov 2012 #140

hostess has gone through two bankruptcies since 2004 in order to shed workers & HiPointDem Nov 2012 #146

I love the movie Zombieland. This will forever change an aspect of this dialog. Lint Head Nov 2012 #147

Maybe too many people have stopped eating artificial crap full of Zorra Nov 2012 #153

According to Wikipedia, the company is privately owned. So there are coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #166

I'd suggest seizing the plant. n/t backscatter712 Nov 2012 #195

It seems business owners are deliberately punishing workers by making this Zorra Nov 2012 #220

They're located in Irving, TX, long known as a hotbed of coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #251

The workers are screwn. nt Zorra Nov 2012 #267

over two billion in revenues in 2008. so doubtful. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #204

Wow! Thank you. nt Zorra Nov 2012 #236

"declining sales and lost market share" Zorra Nov 2012 #264

regardless, $2+ B in revenues in 2008. so that's a damn big market, & hostess is the HiPointDem Nov 2012 #269

The Little Debbie people must be thrilled valerief Nov 2012 #201

yeah, non-union, southern, 7th-day adventist chicken torturer. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #205

Pumpkin Delights have CHICKEN in them? slackmaster Nov 2012 #207

eggs. baked goods. not sure why this is so hard for you. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #211

And the Bimbo people slackmaster Nov 2012 #206

Just another vulture capitalist scam. SubgeniusHasSlack Nov 2012 #213

After living in the South for 13 years, I have been converted to Little Debbie's aikoaiko Nov 2012 #232

non-union, 7th day adventist chicken torturer. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #235

I'm sure there were no chickens harmed in the making of my Swiss Rolls or Christmas Tree cakes aikoaiko Nov 2012 #256

cake = eggs. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #265

that's true, isn't it. aikoaiko Nov 2012 #281

yes, we can all "live with it". until we can't. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #284

Just a legal move.. SoCalDem Nov 2012 #233

My first thought was that the closing of this business has nothing to do with the INdemo Nov 2012 #237

Funny, DUers were all over mitt romney for the same stuff, now some are defending HiPointDem Nov 2012 #238

This will be a bad thing when the Zombie Apocalypse comes. Whovian Nov 2012 #239

Hostess has filed bankrupcty twice. It was very poorly managed. dem4ward Nov 2012 #253

More corporate raiders and labor rapists looking to blame unions for their woes. You rDigital Nov 2012 #261

My first thought aroach Nov 2012 #262

I tried to buy a box of Twinkies today jonpaulprime Nov 2012 #276

Hard choice in the end Riftaxe Nov 2012 #283

CEO of Hostess was awarded a 300 percent raise Go Vols Nov 2012 #285

The twinkies have a shelf life comparable to nuclear waste Generic Other Nov 2012 #286

i love coming to DU to read anti-union sentiments. KG Nov 2012 #289

The CEO of Hostess is a very liberal Democrat and posts to DU! Forthelulz Nov 2012 #299

Welcome to DU! hrmjustin Nov 2012 #300

Thank you Forthelulz Nov 2012 #301

Why didn't you post the entire article? The problem isn't limited to "Democrat" and "Republican" nc4bo Nov 2012 #302

My wife told me last night that we're all done having children, hughee99 Nov 2012 #314