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In the discussion thread: "If you made 110 points on my test then you can afford to give some to the person who made 72" [View all]

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Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:04 AM

intaglio (4,636 posts)

63. Test points are part of you, Money is part of the world

If you have 3 sweets you can certainly give 1 to someone who has none. It is true that you cannot give test points to someone else any more than you can give an eye to someone who is blind but you and your friends can band together to get that person a seeing eye dog.

Does that teacher object to Veterans Administration health assistance? Because that is helping the less fortunate.
If that teacher drives, do they object to using publicly funded roads? Other people pay for that to help everybody.

The trouble is that there are too many people, like that teacher, who do not care or who are terrified of sharing and helping whilst they are not afraid of reaping the benefits of other people caring, helping and giving. Everybody contributes to the common wealth and everybody benefits.

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160 replies	Author	Time	Post
"If you made 110 points on my test then you can afford to give some to the person who made 72" [View all]	Stuckinthebush	Nov 2012	OP
you cant buy groceries or pay the rent or doctor with "test points" nt	msongs	Nov 2012	#1
Was gonna say, "test points" don't feed	closeupready	Nov 2012	#134
Lets say however, you did give that 10 points to the other students....	Flabbergasted	Nov 2012	#2
Excellent!	Stuckinthebush	Nov 2012	#3
Thought that's what you were aiming for. :)	Flabbergasted	Nov 2012	#10
How would giving 10 points to other kids improve scores in the long run?	AlexSatan	Nov 2012	#100
You're wrong. School is about test scores. Learning is incidental.	Occulus	Nov 2012	#129
Maybe in your classroom,	AlexSatan	Nov 2012	#140
It's a faulty analogy...	Flabbergasted	Nov 2012	#137
You said nothing of the sort.	GeorgeGist	Nov 2012	#138
Meaning progressive taxation doesn't work in this way	Flabbergasted	Nov 2012	#151
That's perfect. n/t	Mira	Nov 2012	#142
Is he a public school teacher?	MotherPetrie	Nov 2012	#4
ba-zing!	Care Acutely	Nov 2012	#44
Exactly. In his case he got zero on the test and depends on the largesse of others.	lumberjack_jeff	Nov 2012	#106
Not everyone is the same. And who is to say that the 72 point person can't help the 110 person in	sammytko	Nov 2012	#5
Who cares why?	Lightbulb_on	Nov 2012	#143
The teacher here seems to misunderstand what grades are.	surrealAmerican	Nov 2012	#6
That makes sense.....	Michigan Alum	Nov 2012	#45
Ask them how they would feel if no matter how hard they worked...	sadbear	Nov 2012	#7
I was working on something along these lines	Stuckinthebush	Nov 2012	#9
Legacies get a "Gentlemen's 'C'" from one of the Ivies, and an MBA.	Ikonoklast	Nov 2012	#115
Taxes are paid for the luxury of living in a society	Horse with no Name	Nov 2012	#8
Ha!	Stuckinthebush	Nov 2012	#13
If I made a 110, I could give away 20 points	Ilsa	Nov 2012	#11
Weak argument, particularly from a public employee.	Barack_America	Nov 2012	#12
That's the maddening part	Stuckinthebush	Nov 2012	#15
I think the answer is easy	Fence rider	Nov 2012	#14
Spot on	Stuckinthebush	Nov 2012	#17
It's A Flawed Analogy	ChoppinBroccoli	Nov 2012	#16
Damn good	Stuckinthebush	Nov 2012	#19
i think a better analogy is asking if grandma	qazplm	Nov 2012	#34
Worse than that, it's a massively fucking stupid analogy.	Hissyspit	Nov 2012	#56
So, you were graded 110 on that test...	DreamGypsy	Nov 2012	#18
Have two students start with 100%	dalaigh lllama	Nov 2012	#20
Try The Little Red Hen	jody	Nov 2012	#21
some cool answers on this thread.	flying rabbit	Nov 2012	#22
Indeed!	Stuckinthebush	Nov 2012	#23
Because....	AZ Mike	Nov 2012	#24
That's the crux of the issue	Stuckinthebush	Nov 2012	#36
+1. also, test scores aren't analogous to income. income is analogous to 'life', because in a	HiPointDem	Nov 2012	#48
Are you saying all kids	AlexSatan	Nov 2012	#101
No.	AZ Mike	Nov 2012	#109
OK	AlexSatan	Nov 2012	#110
maybe something about Do you Not Feed your Kid if they don't do well	JI7	Nov 2012	#25
I know, we can ask the Czar of all the Russa's what he thinks. N/T	Throckmorton	Nov 2012	#66
Your answer may not be the most eloquently worded on this thread but, imo, it	coalition_unwilling	Nov 2012	#69
. A math teacher is being this political? AND stupid? I'd let his Administrators know.	WinkyDink	Nov 2012	#26
Tell them there is no such thing as 110%. If there was, something would be out of whack. nt	bluestate10	Nov 2012	#27
I was going to say this, too, but he said "points," not "per cent." :-)	WinkyDink	Nov 2012	#38
It's apples and oranges.	drm604	Nov 2012	#28
true. Best answer here, IMHO....they have NOTHING to do with each other	Laura PourMeADrink	Nov 2012	#53
Democrats want	grantcart	Nov 2012	#29
The obvious retort ...	Lightbulb_on	Nov 2012	#145
Really? Are you kidding? That is the kind of RW strawman that we should laugh out the door.	grantcart	Nov 2012	#148
Whoa there highspeed...	Lightbulb_on	Nov 2012	#150
Why the fuck is a teacher even discussing this with a student?	proud2BlibKansan	Nov 2012	#30
Send him to the English Deparment and introduce him to Charles Dicken's works.	libdem4life	Nov 2012	#31
I once held this hope. Then I retired. :-)	WinkyDink	Nov 2012	#39
Well, if you're talking about teaching, I salute you. 5 years did me in.	libdem4life	Nov 2012	#42
It isn't about handing out bonuses.	LiberalAndProud	Nov 2012	#32
I have a Ph.D. in English, and I know about that 10%	garthranzz	Nov 2012	#33
He might have given a test with 150 points as the top. The S.A.T. isn't on the 100-point scale. :-)	WinkyDink	Nov 2012	#40
Not true	AlexSatan	Nov 2012	#103
boomerang!	garthranzz	Nov 2012	#154
The analogy assumes the rules of the economy are as simple and clearcut as the rules of a test.	JHB	Nov 2012	#35
+1.	HiPointDem	Nov 2012	#49
What if someone hits the teacher head-on in a car crash tomorrow while he's driving to work?	blue neen	Nov 2012	#37
You have nailed it, my friend, in 2 short paragraphs - n/t	coalition_unwilling	Nov 2012	#70
+1	deutsey	Nov 2012	#112
Touche!	smirkymonkey	Nov 2012	#159
I wonder if your daughter's math teacher would allow people to have math employees do their work	JVS	Nov 2012	#41
I think that teachers needs to be reported to the school board.	Zoeisright	Nov 2012	#43
There are many good explanations here, but explaining it to the mind of a kid can be difficult.	Incitatus	Nov 2012	#46
Here is the answer	argiel1234	Nov 2012	#47
And if one kid is handed 10,000 points for not even taking the test?	Marr	Nov 2012	#50
This ^^^	AlexSatan	Nov 2012	#105
1% of the kids get a percentage of the points awarded to the rest of his classmates.	lumberjack_jeff	Nov 2012	#107
Yep	deutsey	Nov 2012	#114
Students aren't born with a hundred points on the tests they take.	ck4829	Nov 2012	#51
Students aren't born with 110 points on their tests, but many who run our society	bulloney	Nov 2012	#79
Why would it be fair for one student to do nothing and get a 1,877,995% or enough	TheKentuckian	Nov 2012	#52
One kid in class starts the year with a guaranteed 110 on every test	LadyHawkAZ	Nov 2012	#54
Comparing a test, where all people are treated equally to a progressive tax system used	Laura PourMeADrink	Nov 2012	#55
What an idiot.	Hissyspit	Nov 2012	#57
How 'bout this?	BouzoukiKing	Nov 2012	#58
I wonder	Milliesmom	Nov 2012	#59
I'd be more interested in having that teacher explain his stupidity	abelenkpe	Nov 2012	#60
What a farce	PD Turk	Nov 2012	#61
Not brilliant, but remembering that I could have been faced with the same question. . .	bvf	Nov 2012	#62
Test points are part of you, Money is part of the world	intaglio	Nov 2012	#63
That's not how money works.	harmonicon	Nov 2012	#64
Okay, let's play with this	jmowreader	Nov 2012	#65
well now I am annoyed	hfojvt	Nov 2012	#67
The problem with the analogy is that every student is on an even playing field.	jmondine	Nov 2012	#68
Let's try the analogy of an entire math class	XemaSab	Nov 2012	#71
Every question on your test is worth half a point and every question on his test is worth one point	Azathoth	Nov 2012	#72
If the person who made 110 points had a clean, warm classroom and a small class in which to learn	MADem	Nov 2012	#73
Actually it is more like this	quaker bill	Nov 2012	#74
If his analogy were true (it isn't) He would be the one with 72 that gets 19 points	Taitertots	Nov 2012	#75
Hey teach...Too bad you're a teacher and don't realize you just describe precisely why you should	Ya Basta	Nov 2012	#76
This one is easy:	The Straight Story	Nov 2012	#77
Tell him to stop reading the spam from	whistler162	Nov 2012	#78
Ask if girls should earn a score of 75%	demwing	Nov 2012	#80
We need to stop pushing that line	4th law of robotics	Nov 2012	#87
Nope, I'm fine with the truth	demwing	Nov 2012	#94
Pay inequality between careers definitely exists.	lumberjack_jeff	Nov 2012	#113
Not what I read at all	demwing	Nov 2012	#118
Male and female workers who make the same choices earn nearly the same pay.	lumberjack_jeff	Nov 2012	#147
The truth is a great thing and I am all for it	4th law of robotics	Nov 2012	#120
Just curious, which I should respond to--	demwing	Nov 2012	#125
When a group that sought to prove the 30% wage gap	4th law of robotics	Nov 2012	#141
This message was self-deleted by its author	HiPointDem	Nov 2012	#156
It's a completely false analogy	union_maid	Nov 2012	#81
Bumper sticker logic	jollyreaper2112	Nov 2012	#82
tell the teacher he gets an "A" in Math, but an "F" in social studies and history	quinnox	Nov 2012	#83
^^ This.	Myrina	Nov 2012	#136
But America is a nation. It is a society, made up of individuals.	PATXgirl	Nov 2012	#84
Right, because hunger and homelessness is like getting a C-	Cal Carpenter	Nov 2012	#85
I'd agree with that if everyone were given the same test	4th law of robotics	Nov 2012	#86
Is this a public school? If so where does he think his income is coming from?	Puregonzo1188	Nov 2012	#88
You Don't Need An Analogy	ProfessorGAC	Nov 2012	#89
It is simply a false equivalency, end of story....	NotThisTime	Nov 2012	#90
A more accurate analogy for the parties might be	JoeyT	Nov 2012	#91
He himself is being given points by others.	Kaleva	Nov 2012	#92
So....Is This Teacher's Behavior Now Accepted As Proper?	Paladin	Nov 2012	#93
What the teacher is telling your kid is amoral.	reusrename	Nov 2012	#95
Who's to say they didn't work just as hard?	OnionPatch	Nov 2012	#96
Well, you can start with the obvious, which is that academic grades can't be compared to income.	Tommy_Carcetti	Nov 2012	#97
I love this Analogy...	WaitWut	Nov 2012	#98
That was funny	Digit	Nov 2012	#99
+1 ... Paris Hilton makes more than the teacher, so clearly, she is smarter than this teacher.	JoePhilly	Nov 2012	#117
Smarter and harder working	4th law of robotics	Nov 2012	#121
Ultra-stupid analogy	bongbong	Nov 2012	#102
yep	Locrian	Nov 2012	#116
The analogy falls apart simply because some people are better at math than others	slackmaster	Nov 2012	#104
How did he feel giving 19 points to the banksters who cheated on the test?	deutsey	Nov 2012	#108
Should dumb people be allowed to eat?	dawg	Nov 2012	#111
As a teacher, I'll say	GaYellowDawg	Nov 2012	#119
The purpose of the test is to measure knowledge	Lucinda	Nov 2012	#122
Suppose one person inherits the 110 test points and doesn't even have to take the test.	drm604	Nov 2012	#123
Yup. I was shocked at how conservative most of my teacher colleagues turned out to be.	The Midway Rebel	Nov 2012	#124
Shit, I'd gladly donate 25 pounds to whoever wants them!	Duer 157099	Nov 2012	#126
Use logic. Logic says that if any of the premises	upaloopa	Nov 2012	#127
The kid with 110 points should spend time tutoring the kid with 75. Class grades aren't zero sum.	Gidney N Cloyd	Nov 2012	#128
um...wait...isn't that the argument they use against clean air?	DonRedwood	Nov 2012	#130
People who use ill fitting analogies to make arguments...	Quantess	Nov 2012	#131
Can the kids give away their test points? If not then the analogy is baseless.	chowder66	Nov 2012	#132
Can I just inherit points from my Dad?	ThoughtCriminal	Nov 2012	#133
I used that one	Stuckinthebush	Nov 2012	#152
Because it takes nothing away from you, and increases your humanity	Myrina	Nov 2012	#135
In his world it would be OK to sell the extra points.	GeorgeGist	Nov 2012	#139
The basis of the argument is that both grade points and income are connected to MERIT and hard work	GiaGiovanni	Nov 2012	#144
The assumption here is that earnings are directly related to how hard you work	LeftishBrit	Nov 2012	#146
S'easy.	Honeycombe8	Nov 2012	#149
Unless I had the rest of the Class answer all of those questions FOR ME...	Volaris	Nov 2012	#153
+1	HiPointDem	Nov 2012	#155
It must gall him that he's teaching EVERYONE ELSE'S kids and paying with HIS taxes.	jtuck004	Nov 2012	#157
Ask him about plagarism rules...	whistler162	Nov 2012	#158
Only if they were a Walmart heir and paid for it. nt	tsuki	Nov 2012	#160

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