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Wed Dec 14, 2011, 06:11 PM

TheWraith (24,331 posts)

262. Yes, he did. Nobody issues a veto they know will be overridden just for shits and giggles.

A veto override vote is a kick in the teeth to a presidency, and a gross undermining of both clout and credibility. NOBODY in their right mind, not even Nixon, issues a veto that they KNOW will be overridden for anything other than a matter of life and death.

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280 replies	Author	Time	Post
Occupy's tactics are hurting their message and the left [View all]	MellowDem	Dec 2011	OP
People said that about hippies in the 60's	The Straight Story	Dec 2011	#1
Hippies in the 60s...	MellowDem	Dec 2011	#12
I don't know...I dig the Diggers (look them up)	deutsey	Dec 2011	#22
Attributing cultural or technological advances...	MellowDem	Dec 2011	#39
But thankfully there have been people's movements that do represent and advance those views	deutsey	Dec 2011	#54
by hippies I think he means	unionworks	Dec 2011	#250
And the 60's culminated with Richard Nixon's election. That was the beginning	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#16
COINTELPRO, political assassinations, violent police crackdowns helped n/t	deutsey	Dec 2011	#23
I disagree	hootinholler	Dec 2011	#43
No. Post Kennedy assassination there was the Civil Rights Act, Voting Rights Act, Medicare, Medicaid	TheWraith	Dec 2011	#47
True, but these advances also intensified a reaction	deutsey	Dec 2011	#55
All true...	hootinholler	Dec 2011	#56
Nixon was forced to sign the Clean Water Act because the Democrats in Congress	tabasco	Dec 2011	#69
At least Nixon understood economics better than today's pols & how it related to national security.	ieoeja	Dec 2011	#90
He still didn't have to sign it. We have the process for a purpose. Make them do it.	TheKentuckian	Dec 2011	#168
LOL.	tabasco	Dec 2011	#261
Yes, he did. Nobody issues a veto they know will be overridden just for shits and giggles.	TheWraith	Dec 2011	#262
Horseshit, we are talking the Constitution and life and liberty here.	TheKentuckian	Dec 2011	#277
inertia.	ret5hd	Dec 2011	#224
The only progressive president I can remember	nineteen50	Dec 2011	#207
See post# 69	Old and In the Way	Dec 2011	#242
Ummm, what tactics?	onlyadream	Dec 2011	#2
Blocking the ports...	MellowDem	Dec 2011	#20
Oops... I haven't been paying attention. Ty , nt	onlyadream	Dec 2011	#74
You are drinking the Kool-Aid, the Fox and multinational Kool-Aid.	JDPriestly	Dec 2011	#153
^^what JD said ~nt	99th_Monkey	Dec 2011	#178
Someone on my Facebook just commented on the Port shutdowns in Oregon	Beavker	Dec 2011	#192
I wonder what fox would have said about	nineteen50	Dec 2011	#209
Precisely.	JDPriestly	Dec 2011	#233
+1	Beavker	Dec 2011	#280
+2 eom	tledford	Dec 2011	#228
With all respect, you are blubbering. First of all OWS has a 56% popularity.	rhett o rick	Dec 2011	#194
Something like knitting tea cozies for democracy...	MedicalAdmin	Dec 2011	#234
Can you cite a source fo rthe 56% popularity? I have read that support has dropped in recent days	BoWanZi	Dec 2011	#238
Opposition grows to Occupy's port shutdown plan	pintobean	Dec 2011	#3
Occupy stated intention is NOT JUST the economic divide	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2011	#13
I know what's in my contract.	pintobean	Dec 2011	#36
Then why would you assume that they'd oppenly say	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2011	#48
I don't need to read between the lines	pintobean	Dec 2011	#51
I have... the bubble you are living in	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2011	#52
Yeah	pintobean	Dec 2011	#57
Which pols, which set of pols are you going to use?	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2011	#58
Taking the pulse of the average Joe in 1930	UnrepentantLiberal	Dec 2011	#73
That is really uncalled for.	ohheckyeah	Dec 2011	#106
I don't see how the two are related.	pintobean	Dec 2011	#120
The cheap camera and notebook comment was nothing	ohheckyeah	Dec 2011	#127
That's how she has described them.	pintobean	Dec 2011	#135
LOL....like you weren't	ohheckyeah	Dec 2011	#226
I didn't claim otherwise.	pintobean	Dec 2011	#231
I hope you read the update on kit	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2011	#269
I do not despise the occupiers	pintobean	Dec 2011	#273
I sure could not tell from your posts	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2011	#274
You could if you wanted to.	pintobean	Dec 2011	#275
Maybe you are writing different posts	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2011	#279
Consider the photos of what police did to Scott Olsen, for example.	Occulus	Dec 2011	#267
What did I reveal?	pintobean	Dec 2011	#272
By the way	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2011	#128
And they are the ones who will lose their homes and do nothing.	aquart	Dec 2011	#60
+1	dionysus	Dec 2011	#139
What methods do you think we should use to draw the attention of the busy public	JDPriestly	Dec 2011	#163
I have met the type of person you speak of and sadly they are union members who do not understand...	unapatriciated	Dec 2011	#220
This post was hidden by jury decision.	rhett o rick	Dec 2011	#195
It's nothing more than an article	pintobean	Dec 2011	#219
I'm not sure which unions see this as disruptive or unnecessary but....	unapatriciated	Dec 2011	#214
What should they do?	HeyHeymymy	Dec 2011	#4
"Bank transfer day" was awesome. More like that please! n/t	think	Dec 2011	#21
Honestly?	MellowDem	Dec 2011	#24
My politically challenged coworker main comments	HeyHeymymy	Dec 2011	#34
You mean the trash that was not trash	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2011	#49
I visited Occupy LA. It was clean. There were port-a-potties.	JDPriestly	Dec 2011	#164
Thank you for your concern.	aquart	Dec 2011	#62
This nation is not conservative.	ProfessionalLeftist	Dec 2011	#71
Sorry, but no. You should read some polls about political self-identity.	TheWraith	Dec 2011	#263
It's not a political moverment.....	Jello Biafra	Dec 2011	#101
You are poorly informed about the Occupy Movement	Remember Me	Dec 2011	#199
+10000000000000000000000000 eom	tledford	Dec 2011	#232
"There is no real organization to Occupy yet"	Occulus	Dec 2011	#270
No, they aren't	izquierdista	Dec 2011	#5
+1 The more OWS continues developing and (importantly) acting out a counter-narrative	deutsey	Dec 2011	#15
People aren't getting OWS...	MellowDem	Dec 2011	#27
I find no problem with how OWS is behaving or trying to	shraby	Dec 2011	#37
What we on the left think...	MellowDem	Dec 2011	#41
For 50+ years the reactionary right shoved the narrative toward their side...	Luminous Animal	Dec 2011	#46
Amen to that	Aerows	Dec 2011	#78
two things	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2011	#50
+1	Aerows	Dec 2011	#82
It's not just conservative	Remember Me	Dec 2011	#200
"Thank Gid for the internet."	Occulus	Dec 2011	#271
Which polls? Must be ones that Grover Norquist makes up'	wilsonbooks	Dec 2011	#258
MellowDem, have you actually visited an Occupy site?	JDPriestly	Dec 2011	#166
Occupy is what it is	pscot	Dec 2011	#208
Would that be more amateurish than what was done up to that point?	nineteen50	Dec 2011	#212
FAIL.	backscatter712	Dec 2011	#6
Lame	pintobean	Dec 2011	#8
Let me offer as much evidence as you did:	xchrom	Dec 2011	#7
I added a link. nt	MellowDem	Dec 2011	#29
Your link doesn't support your opinions.	LooseWilly	Dec 2011	#245
We can't expect OWS to do everything on their own	arcane1	Dec 2011	#9
Disagree	quinnox	Dec 2011	#10
The majority of Americans are not on the left...	MellowDem	Dec 2011	#31
the numbers are 70% for single payer/real public option, 70% for Medicare and Social Security	MisterP	Dec 2011	#45
No it isn't	Aerows	Dec 2011	#84
This nasty OP has shown me that I will survive the jurors. Peace.	WingDinger	Dec 2011	#11
What was nasty about it? nt.	MellowDem	Dec 2011	#32
What tactics? I hope they go even further than shutting down ports, if that was what you were	sadge goddess	Dec 2011	#14
You can't shut down the country...	MellowDem	Dec 2011	#35
Welcome to DU	Aerows	Dec 2011	#85
I totally agree with shutting down the country.	glowing	Dec 2011	#197
Your "concern" is noted.	Odin2005	Dec 2011	#17
Exactly, Odin2005 n/t	Aerows	Dec 2011	#88
What tactics?	Toucano	Dec 2011	#18
Poppycock	Bluenorthwest	Dec 2011	#19
Sigh. It's not at all "pretty indisputable"	Matariki	Dec 2011	#25
I was at the port of Tacoma	Generic Other	Dec 2011	#65
So go do it "right"...	SomethingFishy	Dec 2011	#26
Indeed!	Aerows	Dec 2011	#89
And what tactic is that? Would they even be noticed without having "occupied"?	mmonk	Dec 2011	#28
When I click my ruby slippers together, there eventually appears a magical hide thread function...	Fire Walk With Me	Dec 2011	#30
This post was hidden by jury decision.	themadstork	Dec 2011	#33
The Tea Party now has more support...	MellowDem	Dec 2011	#38
That's rich	hootinholler	Dec 2011	#44
Bingo!	kenfrequed	Dec 2011	#87
The real story is in the cross tabs	hootinholler	Dec 2011	#109
The problem with these "self identification" polls is that group	socialist_n_TN	Dec 2011	#167
Hammer meet nail head n/t	Aerows	Dec 2011	#91
That's actually in line...	MellowDem	Dec 2011	#160
But the states in which the shut-up-the-ports movement took place	JDPriestly	Dec 2011	#171
that's bullshit. Americans are quite liberal -- they just don't call themselves that	Remember Me	Dec 2011	#202
The problem I have with Occupy	Mosaic	Dec 2011	#40
It moved on from Adbusters a while ago	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2011	#63
Seriously Nadin...	Bragi	Dec 2011	#75
Sometimes you have to plow on	Aerows	Dec 2011	#93
True, but you can also change tactics	Bragi	Dec 2011	#96
Our nation is too polarized	Aerows	Dec 2011	#98
No disagreement on that	Bragi	Dec 2011	#99
" However, like most people"	Aerows	Dec 2011	#103
Polls backs up my point	Bragi	Dec 2011	#108
Okay	Aerows	Dec 2011	#114
My mistake	Bragi	Dec 2011	#124
We are	Aerows	Dec 2011	#126
Who said anything about "giving up"	Bragi	Dec 2011	#134
Getting distinctly political	Aerows	Dec 2011	#145
"Occupy" started with tents. It is now occupying a lot more.	JDPriestly	Dec 2011	#175
Don't tell that to me	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2011	#112
Regardless	Aerows	Dec 2011	#116
Polls go up, they go down	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2011	#121
Yeah, like right after Day 1 nt	Remember Me	Dec 2011	#203
If you want to find an anarchistic movement, look to the Chicago School of Economics,	JDPriestly	Dec 2011	#172
Anarcho-syndicalism	Mosaic	Dec 2011	#253
I am more familiar with Chomsky's work in linguistics than with his work in politics.	JDPriestly	Dec 2011	#259
Maybe, maybe not	MFrohike	Dec 2011	#42
Exactly, and it's not just about Occupy...	JHB	Dec 2011	#100
Exactly what 'left' do you think OWS is hurting? As far as I'm concerned, the	coalition_unwilling	Dec 2011	#53
if you don't like it, get down to the GAs and make you suggestions	dana_b	Dec 2011	#59
What if the people who dominate the GA's are the problem? /nt	Bragi	Dec 2011	#79
And what if people not dominating the GA's are the problem?	Aerows	Dec 2011	#94
Oh, you mean like all the Occupiers?	Remember Me	Dec 2011	#205
There is no left in the US.	David__77	Dec 2011	#61
LEFT??? If you don't like these types of tactics	socialist_n_TN	Dec 2011	#64
Nonsense	Bragi	Dec 2011	#81
You are correct, I'll be more specific	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2011	#155
Yes this is what militant labor does. And as an historian	socialist_n_TN	Dec 2011	#170
Yup	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2011	#181
You guys are thrilling me	Remember Me	Dec 2011	#206
I love DU3	Union Scribe	Dec 2011	#66
If Fox news doesn't support it then the gullible masses won't	Rosa Luxemburg	Dec 2011	#67
So, OWS is supposed to be watching the polls and steering its actions accordingly...	AntiFascist	Dec 2011	#68
No, the whole world is NOT watching	Bragi	Dec 2011	#83
You aren't	Aerows	Dec 2011	#95
This is what is sad or funny	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2011	#150
Very good points. The corporate media presstitutes are deliberately minimizing Occupy.	backscatter712	Dec 2011	#158
Thanks, Nadin	JDPriestly	Dec 2011	#177
Well, you obviously aren't watching because the tactics are in fact evolving.	AntiFascist	Dec 2011	#189
good point	marions ghost	Dec 2011	#169
Got anything more recent than a month-old poll to indicate OWS losing support?	MilesColtrane	Dec 2011	#70
Just this...	Bragi	Dec 2011	#92
"The port shutdown was an over-reaching bust." - I have to take issue with that, as	coalition_unwilling	Dec 2011	#115
+1 The 1% and their mouthpieces are out in force and are desperate to destroy the Occupy movement.	Zorra	Dec 2011	#122
Yes, that must be it!	Bragi	Dec 2011	#125
You seem to want it to fail	Aerows	Dec 2011	#131
Yes, it does seem that way. The question arises:	Zorra	Dec 2011	#147
that's rather presumptuous. it seems to me, that anyone who doesn't agree 100% with OWS tactics here	dionysus	Dec 2011	#165
I concur with your comments.	MADem	Dec 2011	#183
+1 This exactly nt	Veruca Salt	Dec 2011	#198
Six of one, half a dozen of the other...	LanternWaste	Dec 2011	#157
You wrote:	Bragi	Dec 2011	#129
It's not an assumption that is difficult to arrive at	Aerows	Dec 2011	#133
How could I be clearer?	Bragi	Dec 2011	#137
Any suggestions?	Aerows	Dec 2011	#140
LOL! Relabeling, are we? Start your own "99% Movement".	Zorra	Dec 2011	#148
Yes, I would "rebrand" it if I could	Bragi	Dec 2011	#149
I think, for the most part,	Remember Me	Dec 2011	#213
Fair point	Bragi	Dec 2011	#218
Yes. The "tactic" was used to popularize the concept. It worked for a bit, then became stale.	MADem	Dec 2011	#255
In retrospect, my comment about "your agenda" does strike me as	coalition_unwilling	Dec 2011	#136
Thanks for that!	Bragi	Dec 2011	#138
CU is pretty awesome :)	Aerows	Dec 2011	#142
let's see if they can pull it off. you need tens of millions of people to pull off a general strike,	dionysus	Dec 2011	#159
I think it is closer than we dared dream of	Aerows	Dec 2011	#179
time will tell, let's see.	dionysus	Dec 2011	#188
People are pissed and it isn't going away because 'it doesn't poll well'.	Edweird	Dec 2011	#72
+1 n/t	Aerows	Dec 2011	#77
People are always going to complain about protestors	Aerows	Dec 2011	#76
The MSM will always spin protests for their advantage	randr	Dec 2011	#80
The demands are there	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2011	#152
Baloney.	Orsino	Dec 2011	#86
So show us all how to do it better.	Gold Metal Flake	Dec 2011	#97
Here's a suggestion	Bragi	Dec 2011	#105
These are excellent ideas. Are you anywhere near an Occupy encampment?	coalition_unwilling	Dec 2011	#118
I was addressing the OP, but since you popped into the convo...	Gold Metal Flake	Dec 2011	#119
Great. Don't disagree at all..........	socialist_n_TN	Dec 2011	#146
Here's a suggestion from me	Bragi	Dec 2011	#151
Yes and that was the post I asked about.........	socialist_n_TN	Dec 2011	#176
No, I don't think the rulers will back off	Bragi	Dec 2011	#186
What you understand as political	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2011	#210
Well as nadin has said numerous times, Occupy seems to be able	socialist_n_TN	Dec 2011	#266
I thought OWS was pretty much over?	snooper2	Dec 2011	#102
How many times has Bill O'Reilly proclaimed the death of the Occupy movement now?	backscatter712	Dec 2011	#104
I didn't hear anything about it	snooper2	Dec 2011	#107
Here's another story. Multiple ports got shut down. It was awesome!	backscatter712	Dec 2011	#110
This isn't a popularity contest - it's about doing what's right - and changing the world	slay	Dec 2011	#111
Taking Root in Unlikely Soil, Occupy Florida Gains Momentum	xchrom	Dec 2011	#113
Occupy goes to Florida in December?...nt	SidDithers	Dec 2011	#141
OMG - I think that's my favorite Occupy sign of all time	Remember Me	Dec 2011	#215
PPP is a Third Way polling company owned by a 1% businessman. nt	Zorra	Dec 2011	#117
+1	slay	Dec 2011	#161
+1,,, I wish people would do a little research on the	golddigger	Dec 2011	#243
I love some of DU3's new features. Very revealing... nt	stillwaiting	Dec 2011	#123
incredible amount of BS	spanone	Dec 2011	#130
sure	fascisthunter	Dec 2011	#132
The Occupy Movement has a great message	boxman15	Dec 2011	#143
Notice that no labor leader	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2011	#154
I hope you'll read the rest of this thread	Remember Me	Dec 2011	#216
I'm appalled by the media's coverage of the OWS movement.	boxman15	Dec 2011	#256
Thank you for your concern.	KamaAina	Dec 2011	#144
i don't know about hurting their message or, not, but reading this thread... if you don't think	dionysus	Dec 2011	#156
Yes, I've read through the entire thread, and I get that sense as well. Either support OWS 100% -	SlimJimmy	Dec 2011	#173
ironically, that kind of stuff is pretty counter productive to growing the movement, isn't it?	dionysus	Dec 2011	#174
Yes, yes it is.	SlimJimmy	Dec 2011	#182
Want to see something amusing?	pintobean	Dec 2011	#185
Yep, just caught that. I normally don't check to see who has reccd a thread,	SlimJimmy	Dec 2011	#254
OWS is fine by me. NT	Vincardog	Dec 2011	#162
What a steaming pile of horseshit (n/t)	CrawlingChaos	Dec 2011	#180
Bullpuckey!	ananda	Dec 2011	#184
Nonsense	marions ghost	Dec 2011	#187
Give me a gung ho and radicalized 30% over any tepid and conflicted majority, no matter how large.	TheKentuckian	Dec 2011	#190
Those concern trolls were saying the same thing during the Civil Rights Movement	alp227	Dec 2011	#191
Stop pussy-footing	JEB	Dec 2011	#193
What happened to the unrec feature. This OP is hogwash. nm	rhett o rick	Dec 2011	#196
Thankfully it's dead.	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2011	#201
Ah, yes, but we still have the rec feature	pintobean	Dec 2011	#211
what a shock.	Warren Stupidity	Dec 2011	#223
um yeah..I know what ya mean..	Douglas Carpenter	Dec 2011	#237
Don't agree? Then it must be hogwash.	randome	Dec 2011	#204
OWS popularity seems pretty good to me.	blackspade	Dec 2011	#217
Unrec	CJCRANE	Dec 2011	#221
Occupying public parks is exactly what put OWS on the map and in play.	Warren Stupidity	Dec 2011	#222
That's not important..What great movement was EVER popular in its early days?	Douglas Carpenter	Dec 2011	#225
Damn Hippies!!!!	bvar22	Dec 2011	#227
Hmmmm.	bvar22	Dec 2011	#229
No.	Iggo	Dec 2011	#230
Bullshit!	karenbe111	Dec 2011	#235
It does make you wonder!	Wind Dancer	Dec 2011	#236
It's time to "Occupy" the ballot box.	jaysunb	Dec 2011	#239
the media's portrayal of them have made them less popular with the American people	SemperEadem	Dec 2011	#240
Bullshit! Rightwing, teabagger and WS propaganda poll. I can't believe people would...	golddigger	Dec 2011	#241
Archaeology issue Jan/Feb2012 recalls press from 1900s-sounds EXACTLY LIKE YOU	StarsInHerHair	Dec 2011	#244
I doubt it.	ozone_man	Dec 2011	#246
Call the Waambulance n/t	unionworks	Dec 2011	#247
Ha! You hope ....	Bryn	Dec 2011	#248
Actually, that cartoon shows exactly what is wrong with OWS.	randome	Dec 2011	#249
Not directed at anyone here.... I was talking about 'idiots' who are	Bryn	Dec 2011	#257
Then I apologize about the 'idiots' part of my response.	randome	Dec 2011	#260
AMEN BROTHER (OR SISTER)	johncoby2	Dec 2011	#251
I dsiagree. the movement is growing. Support is growing.	robinlynne	Dec 2011	#252
IT TAKES A PILLAGE .... on Amy Goodman this morning...	IcyPeas	Dec 2011	#264
the idiots that are part of the 99%	OccupyIdiots	Dec 2011	#265
The Occupy movement has been successful because they represent the 99%. A few former tea partiers,	applegrove	Dec 2011	#268
bullshit. nt	bowens43	Dec 2011	#276
With all due respect	Terry in Austin	Dec 2011	#278

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