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In the discussion thread: Rachel had it Right, now DU is getting it wrong. [View all]

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:54 AM

hfojvt (31,316 posts)

54. so we should be prepared to cheer

when 95% of the Bush tax cuts get extended again?

That is progress compared to the 103% that got extended last time?

What a load of crapola.

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Rachel had it Right, now DU is getting it wrong. [View all]	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	OP
strength of conservative ideas? Can you list some good conservative ideas, please?	NRaleighLiberal	Nov 2012	#1
Conservative or conservative?	TalkingDog	Nov 2012	#5
Obamacare.	Sekhmets Daughter	Nov 2012	#6
Yup	nadinbrzezinski	Nov 2012	#11
Privatized, for-profit healthcare is a shitty idea n/t	leftstreet	Nov 2012	#18
+1000	truebluegreen	Nov 2012	#32
Well, it WAS better than nothing for me.	MoonchildCA	Nov 2012	#126
Say what you will about the Affordable Care Act. It helped the parents of the kid who drums in my	calimary	Nov 2012	#190
I Love it!	BobbyBoring	Nov 2012	#500
My son is covered until he is 31 1/2. Humana, I think.	MissMarple	Nov 2012	#545
But better than nothing is still not good. And what about those millions for whom	Egalitarian Thug	Nov 2012	#303
ObamaCare Is Good.. It's saving Lives and making lives Easier.	Cha	Nov 2012	#340
No, it isn't. It does suck less, but that is not good, and you didn't answer the question. n/t	Egalitarian Thug	Nov 2012	#383
You're right..ObamaCare isn't just "good" ..it's a GREAT Foundation! LOVE IT!	Cha	Nov 2012	#390
That's not what was written, and you still haven't answered the question. n/t	Egalitarian Thug	Nov 2012	#401
Both my kids (20,22) have preexisting conditions, but can be on my health ins until 26.	AAO	Nov 2012	#440
What about the millions who won't be helped right now?	BlueToTheBone	Nov 2012	#515
Not the topic. When Sekhmets Daughter and I started this it was in response to the idea of	Egalitarian Thug	Nov 2012	#541
And "nothing" is exactly	billh58	Nov 2012	#563
Do any of you people ever actually read what is written? You're like the 5th	Egalitarian Thug	Nov 2012	#564
Believe me when I say	billh58	Nov 2012	#565
Condescending? Yes. "Freeper"!? You've got to be kidding.	Egalitarian Thug	Nov 2012	#566
I did not call	billh58	Nov 2012	#568
Don't worry, I don't alert on my own behalf. I couldn't care less what name someone calls me.	Egalitarian Thug	Nov 2012	#570
I think that we	billh58	Nov 2012	#571
I think we might be the same person.	Egalitarian Thug	Nov 2012	#572
Perfection can only be acheived thru progress.	xtraxritical	Nov 2012	#487
Perfection cannot be achieved at all, and nobody is asking for perfection. But like the other person	Egalitarian Thug	Nov 2012	#493
The "perfection" you wish for is government sponsered single payer national health care.	xtraxritical	Nov 2012	#524
You're the only one talking about perfection here, and single payer will not be perfect either.	Egalitarian Thug	Nov 2012	#542
It is the first step...	Sekhmets Daughter	Nov 2012	#74
yep	heaven05	Nov 2012	#134
We need to be realistic about these issues....	Sekhmets Daughter	Nov 2012	#139
It leaves millions in an even more toxic environment. One idea being not quite as bad as another	Egalitarian Thug	Nov 2012	#170
Agreed, but we cannot be blind to the real problems within the system	Sekhmets Daughter	Nov 2012	#174
Right. The real problem being that we have nobody working for us.	Egalitarian Thug	Nov 2012	#204
He self-identifies as a Blue Dog Democrat....	Sekhmets Daughter	Nov 2012	#252
That's not what I said. This thread is about the asinine notion that we need blend two completely	Egalitarian Thug	Nov 2012	#274
Got it...	Sekhmets Daughter	Nov 2012	#278
Yet	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#298
Another bankrupt notion you are using to distract from the bad idea you wrote in the OP.	Egalitarian Thug	Nov 2012	#313
I had to think about this for a bit.	Sekhmets Daughter	Nov 2012	#442
Good comment ! Republicans are skilled and ruthless with messaging. Their lack of morality adds	Maineman	Nov 2012	#518
Exactly on point...	Sekhmets Daughter	Nov 2012	#529
On the money and very well written.	go west young man	Nov 2012	#522
You're right to worry about the republicans taking Democratic positions away, but the answer	Egalitarian Thug	Nov 2012	#544
Perhaps we are talking at cross purposes here...just a bit.	Sekhmets Daughter	Nov 2012	#549
Long reply on several points and questions;	Egalitarian Thug	Nov 2012	#569
Thanks!	Sekhmets Daughter	Nov 2012	#575
Compromise is asinine?	RitchieRich	Nov 2012	#526
Oh really? Tens of millions of us are forced to live without any representation in what is	Egalitarian Thug	Nov 2012	#543
You are really negative for no apparent reason, convince us you're not a troll.	xtraxritical	Nov 2012	#547
You have a mouse in your pocket? Who is this us, and how do you suppose that I	Egalitarian Thug	Nov 2012	#548
Thug u r	xtraxritical	Nov 2012	#559
Exactly the response I expected, and yes I am.	Egalitarian Thug	Nov 2012	#560
Neither Social Security or Medicare were incrementally introduced programs	Melinda	Nov 2012	#147
I said Democratic congresses expanded the system....	Sekhmets Daughter	Nov 2012	#181
You said "introduced incrementally". They were not.	Melinda	Nov 2012	#198
Medicare took YEARS to become what it is today	BlueCaliDem	Nov 2012	#207
This issue is "increments". Take a look at the legislative history:	Melinda	Nov 2012	#232
You are thikng process....	Sekhmets Daughter	Nov 2012	#237
OR	BlueCaliDem	Nov 2012	#247
Sorry...	Sekhmets Daughter	Nov 2012	#267
I so depise this game of one-upsmanship so many wish to play on DU.	Melinda	Nov 2012	#284
Ah, okay, that explains it then. :-)	Melinda	Nov 2012	#294
I agree about single payer, whole heartedly.	Sekhmets Daughter	Nov 2012	#315
The people covered by social security was increased incrementally...	Sekhmets Daughter	Nov 2012	#236
Yes, they were. See? We can agree, lol. ;-)	Melinda	Nov 2012	#297
We probably always did...and didn't know it.	Sekhmets Daughter	Nov 2012	#431
What Social Security was NOT was a mandate that people buy retirement plans from Wall Street n/t	eridani	Nov 2012	#414
Are you talking about 401Ks?	Sekhmets Daughter	Nov 2012	#430
No, just saying that SocSec was proudly a GOVERNMENT program right from the beginning	eridani	Nov 2012	#458
Yes...	Sekhmets Daughter	Nov 2012	#505
That's a good point about the people caught in the middle	davidpdx	Nov 2012	#467
And so ignorant,	Sekhmets Daughter	Nov 2012	#506
And now it's time for step 2, right?	grahamhgreen	Nov 2012	#489
Depends on what you want. :-)	Sekhmets Daughter	Nov 2012	#507
IMHO, if, in 4 years, everyone had access to a public medical plan	grahamhgreen	Nov 2012	#538
Sure...	Sekhmets Daughter	Nov 2012	#540
Well said	BobbyBoring	Nov 2012	#502
Which has caused us long term grief....	Sekhmets Daughter	Nov 2012	#508
I live in section 8 housing and	brokechris	Nov 2012	#583
What state? Because I think that lies at the heart of the matter...	Sekhmets Daughter	Nov 2012	#585
+2000	sarcasmo	Nov 2012	#192
+1000s (n/t)	bread_and_roses	Nov 2012	#213
Only for people that can afford it. Those of us in poverty will get Medicaid...	Comrade_McKenzie	Nov 2012	#63
Your heart should bleed for the middle class....	Sekhmets Daughter	Nov 2012	#123
yes, pushed into poverty or shitty jobs	newspeak	Nov 2012	#241
I'm with you.	Sekhmets Daughter	Nov 2012	#254
The middle-class benefits as much or more from tax payments	bread_and_roses	Nov 2012	#243
It is just as unfair	Sekhmets Daughter	Nov 2012	#265
Good grief	Oilwellian	Nov 2012	#322
Do you know what defines the middle class?	Sekhmets Daughter	Nov 2012	#325
You should post some of their stories,	JoeyT	Nov 2012	#397
Really, have you been poor all of your life?	Sekhmets Daughter	Nov 2012	#403
My reading comprehension is fine:	JoeyT	Nov 2012	#412
I see your point, and perhaps I could have made mine more clearly....	Sekhmets Daughter	Nov 2012	#429
Thats not a good idea. Its simply what we got stuck with after caving in to Repukes.	Katashi_itto	Nov 2012	#142
I think the point is that it isn't any one ideology or mix of ideologies that is good, but...	LancetChick	Nov 2012	#22
Presumably, that argument only works if you	enlightenment	Nov 2012	#42
That, sir, is reflexive crap.	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#53
What utter hogwash.	99Forever	Nov 2012	#67
I agree	brush	Nov 2012	#78
Adopting the enemies failed tactics	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#83
Do you want to get progressive measures through . . .	brush	Nov 2012	#95
Again,	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#118
Republicans use all the tools at their disposal	LuvLoogie	Nov 2012	#159
Agreed	brush	Nov 2012	#186
You're better at this than I	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#211
What deal is the President offering? Any deal including even a mention of SS in the same sentence	sabrina 1	Nov 2012	#550
That is something that should be reiterated to our elected representatives.	LuvLoogie	Nov 2012	#552
Yes, exactly. This cannot be said enough. Eg, in the debates, Romney told the biggest lie	sabrina 1	Nov 2012	#554
who adopted them? Obama ran a clean campaign and did not LIE about his record	wordpix	Nov 2012	#365
Agreed.	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#446
I don't presume shit.	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#79
Clue #1	99Forever	Nov 2012	#90
Are you going to mention Nazis next?	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#106
we	heaven05	Nov 2012	#149
You'd do better to defend your mistake by expecting people to support th spirit of your message, not	ancianita	Nov 2012	#530
hilarious	RitchieRich	Nov 2012	#528
you	heaven05	Nov 2012	#136
And you...	99Forever	Nov 2012	#195
Nice	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#212
You actually think I'm..	99Forever	Nov 2012	#224
It is obvious	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#235
OOOHHHHH!	heaven05	Nov 2012	#244
If you are from the Tea Party...	99Forever	Nov 2012	#251
hey	heaven05	Nov 2012	#264
Now who is being obtuse?	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#282
You are.	99Forever	Nov 2012	#364
x2	AnotherMcIntosh	Nov 2012	#355
Nice thing to say to a vet on Veteran's Day. nt	msanthrope	Nov 2012	#258
That's ok...	99Forever	Nov 2012	#353
For what? nt	msanthrope	Nov 2012	#409
Oh	heaven05	Nov 2012	#561
I'm not a sir, for one.	enlightenment	Nov 2012	#369
Your OP was about listening to others and things not being black and white	cui bono	Nov 2012	#492
Talk about reflexive crap!! Er, reflective. Looks bad from here Captain.	WCLinolVir	Nov 2012	#516
Government can sometimes waste money	gravity	Nov 2012	#48
Yep	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#102
Welfare reform in 1996 made "Working Class Poor" a large demographic.	Tigress DEM	Nov 2012	#483
I don't see any specifics in your posts, just vague ideology.	WCLinolVir	Nov 2012	#514
Have you ever worked in the federal government or a large corporation?	Egalitarian Thug	Nov 2012	#263
True Smith capitalism	Dash87	Nov 2012	#60
Amen	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#158
yeah, as long as someone	newspeak	Nov 2012	#289
Read the book. And enforcing actual ethical standards in the real world would be far more effective	Egalitarian Thug	Nov 2012	#296
A.) Not a conservative idea at all, rather a means to reach an egalitarian society.	Egalitarian Thug	Nov 2012	#283
This message was self-deleted by its author	brush	Nov 2012	#73
We can remind them of fiscally responsible Republicans like Eisenhower	RepublicansRZombies	Nov 2012	#161
Conservation is a conservative idea. Don't confuse Ts for conservatives. Ts are cons.	Bernardo de La Paz	Nov 2012	#169
Verification of progress is a conservative idea.	bluestate10	Nov 2012	#285
Great idea, CaptJasHook! Let's compromise!!!	wellspring	Nov 2012	#395
Thanks, now I don't have to type all that!	Dark n Stormy Knight	Nov 2012	#422
I think the conservative emphasis on smaller government has value except that it is warped by	Voice for Peace	Nov 2012	#399
Yes, but that's not what today's cons want. They're fine with billions wasted on unnecessary defense	Dark n Stormy Knight	Nov 2012	#423
*** HI THERE... I address the OP....	6502	Nov 2012	#491
I can't think of any modern conservative ideas myself.	RoccoR5955	Nov 2012	#525
thank you nt	hockeynut57	Nov 2012	#2
gee	datasuspect	Nov 2012	#3
Compromise is a two-way street.	sadbear	Nov 2012	#4
Agreed	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#30
And John Boehner	zinnisking	Nov 2012	#408
Which is exactly what the Obama administration	truebluegreen	Nov 2012	#38
Isn't it wonderful	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#51
Label eachother?	Raffi Ella	Nov 2012	#69
Your point?	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#120
The democratic party is massively broad in viewpoint.	bluestate10	Nov 2012	#299
Ah, no. If they vote with Republicans, ...	Prana69	Nov 2012	#463
The Republicans don't have any (good) ideas	truebluegreen	Nov 2012	#386
If you don't like labels I would suggest you edit the word "purists" out of your OP	Bjorn Against	Nov 2012	#468
OUCH!	bvar22	Nov 2012	#579
Ha ha, Obama is many things to many people	nolabels	Nov 2012	#214
"On edit: now the spell checker didn't work correctly". You got your point across. nt	bluestate10	Nov 2012	#304
Yes, and deciding whether to take too much or take it all is not compromise, it is capitulation. n/t	Egalitarian Thug	Nov 2012	#302
Conservatives have ideas, but they're all terrible & oppressive.	JaneyVee	Nov 2012	#7
What, like the EPA? Methinks a Republican President signed off on that. nt	mwooldri	Nov 2012	#84
That was a LONG time ago.	Zoeisright	Nov 2012	#86
Then Ronald Reagan destroyed the EPA.	devilgrrl	Nov 2012	#110
It doesn't matter what the devolved Republican did. Fact remains, the EPA was a Republican	BlueCaliDem	Nov 2012	#208
So fucking what? What have they done for the country since.	devilgrrl	Nov 2012	#288
Well, the question was what good Republican ideas were there	BlueCaliDem	Nov 2012	#311
But didn't originate it. It was his reaction to one aspect of a movement that threatened	Egalitarian Thug	Nov 2012	#308
NOT A CONSERVATIVE.	JaneyVee	Nov 2012	#344
And I think there are some things no real Democrat would ever "compromise" on -	forestpath	Nov 2012	#8
If you feel insulted, that is your choice.	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#50
The whole point of your post was to be insulting.	forestpath	Nov 2012	#62
No kidding. This post was deliberately insulting.	Zoeisright	Nov 2012	#87
What?	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#131
Ah, then you do idolize the republican party.	Jakes Progress	Nov 2012	#164
This message was self-deleted by its author	Jakes Progress	Nov 2012	#166
I am a progressive.	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#217
Your presumed understanding	Jakes Progress	Nov 2012	#479
Actually, the left can.That's also an attempt to avoid using all tools in the Left's bigger tool box	ancianita	Nov 2012	#533
I call BS	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#128
Aw, you call BS. There you go again with the insults.	forestpath	Nov 2012	#183
Nice logic trap	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#219
Don't put words in my mouth. And don't call me a peach. Your tactics remind me of somebody.	forestpath	Nov 2012	#279
THERE IT IS: 20-30 YOs are going to be bankrupted? LOL	WorseBeforeBetter	Nov 2012	#432
Suddenly	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#448
Social Security has a 75 year planning horizon	PETRUS	Nov 2012	#456
2086. The sky is not falling...	WorseBeforeBetter	Nov 2012	#527
And you are... Baker, Stiglitz or Krugman?	WorseBeforeBetter	Nov 2012	#523
AMEN. ALL THE WAY.	ancianita	Nov 2012	#531
For starters, we could	billh58	Nov 2012	#562
nevermind.	ancianita	Nov 2012	#532
Medicare needs some major adjustments, I'll concede.	LiberalAndProud	Nov 2012	#551
that's	heaven05	Nov 2012	#154
Personally, I won't ever compromise on the environment, PERIOD	Blue_Tires	Nov 2012	#122
I agree.	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#450
I can state some things that a democrat should never compromise on.	bluestate10	Nov 2012	#310
Tell it to the OP, not me.	forestpath	Nov 2012	#382
Conservative "ideas" are known to be utterly wrong.	alarimer	Nov 2012	#9
Are you seriously suggesting that all liberal ideas work?	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#34
Are you seriously suggesting that conservative ideas work?	Zoeisright	Nov 2012	#81
I notice you cherry-pick	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#153
You're A Fan Of State's Rights?	Paladin	Nov 2012	#202
I am a fan	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#222
The local level is still government.	RC	Nov 2012	#553
Wow, so we should feel bad?	geardaddy	Nov 2012	#248
4/20 +1	WheelWalker	Nov 2012	#475
Finally you come up with lists...	ljm2002	Nov 2012	#249
Is this an invitation to discussion	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#314
It is not an invitation to discussion...	ljm2002	Nov 2012	#354
Did liberals oppose Theo Roosevelt's environmental stewardship idea at the time? Do they now?	Dark n Stormy Knight	Nov 2012	#417
I just posted in another thread on this topic.	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#462
Wow. By not implementing your own OP advice, you're not helping your credibility here.	ancianita	Nov 2012	#534
Winner! You get the Perfect Response Award! nt.	druidity33	Nov 2012	#389
Ugh.	Hissyspit	Nov 2012	#280
No, small government is not a good idea	bread_and_roses	Nov 2012	#293
I knew	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#327
You say, "I knew I shouldn't put issues up as the Devil's advocate." Is that what you were doing	AnotherMcIntosh	Nov 2012	#359
A stong family unit??	Ineeda	Nov 2012	#419
Do you believe Colorado and Washington should be drawn into a legal battle?	Socal31	Nov 2012	#394
Now I know you are full of it	LiberalLovinLug	Nov 2012	#335
Well said.	AnotherMcIntosh	Nov 2012	#360
"If you want to have a conservative/liberal dialogue, with conservatives such as you describe,	Dark n Stormy Knight	Nov 2012	#377
Dammit!	druidity33	Nov 2012	#393
Impressive.	99Forever	Nov 2012	#441
+1	Liberalynn	Nov 2012	#443
Excellent argument. Thanks for this.	ancianita	Nov 2012	#535
So drone strikes are a progressive idea now?	Blue_In_AK	Nov 2012	#343
Ugh.	ForgoTheConsequence	Nov 2012	#501
How about not putting so much money into the defense budget . . .	brush	Nov 2012	#112
Modern Conservative ideas are. But.	bluestate10	Nov 2012	#317
Thanks to progressive Ida Tarbell, socialist Upton Sinclair, preservationist John Muir...	WorseBeforeBetter	Nov 2012	#444
"Through clever campaigning we managed to get 332 electoral votes": "clever "? "managed to get"?	WinkyDink	Nov 2012	#10
The Obama campaign said it themselves.	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#43
Given the difficult economy and some of the people that voted for Obama the first time, a	bluestate10	Nov 2012	#323
Obama "squeaked by!" 332 is only a landslide when Money BooBoo does it, doncha know!	MADem	Nov 2012	#113
The OP knows the real truth, Karl is the only one with the real numbers!	Dragonfli	Nov 2012	#407
Buncha lazy takers 'n socialists, we!	MADem	Nov 2012	#471
I'll support compromise when the Repubs start acting like a legitimate party again.	reformist2	Nov 2012	#12
I agree	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#37
Yes, I don't like the punitive nature of some on our side - there is such a thing as 'sore winners.'	reformist2	Nov 2012	#49
Well the president tried last time	Blue4Texas	Nov 2012	#121
Republicans knew that even if the cooperated, getting the economy healthy in four years	bluestate10	Nov 2012	#328
This.	wickerwoman	Nov 2012	#76
+100	Myrina	Nov 2012	#104
You can't negotiate with terrorists	RepublicansRZombies	Nov 2012	#179
Right on the money, that. nt	MADem	Nov 2012	#481
Kudos	tyne	Nov 2012	#13
I am just curious	solara	Nov 2012	#14
How about NOT letting Republicans have a majority in the House of Representives?	randome	Nov 2012	#39
Gerrymandering	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#57
Republicans were successful in Gerrymandering because the liberal purists sat on their asses,	bluestate10	Nov 2012	#339
I see Libertarian candidates, too	cprise	Nov 2012	#513
Then campaign to end gerrymandering	cprise	Nov 2012	#499
Florida and Virginia were a good start.	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#40
So you know, this is a mandate	nadinbrzezinski	Nov 2012	#116
I see Virginia staying blue and Florida becoming reliably Blue as long as democrats govern well.	bluestate10	Nov 2012	#342
I have yet to see any movement on the right	Angry Dragon	Nov 2012	#15
Top Repub leaders talking about immigration reform and taxing the rich.	kstewart33	Nov 2012	#20
Wow, they mentioned two whole topics but without plans! Oh, and about "taxing the rich"?	WinkyDink	Nov 2012	#26
In the real world where I live	nadinbrzezinski	Nov 2012	#124
Even some leaders on the religious right are talking immigration reform.	bluestate10	Nov 2012	#350
Thank you.	kstewart33	Nov 2012	#16
But if you start out in the middle the compromise will be on the right	ThomThom	Nov 2012	#92
True, but the first step in compromise is both sides looking for some common ground.	kstewart33	Nov 2012	#146
I total disagree, that is where compromise begins the process begins	ThomThom	Nov 2012	#218
But it's impossible to take that first step...	ljm2002	Nov 2012	#255
Given the thumping they've received, I'd wager that the Repubs are looking for some common ground.	kstewart33	Nov 2012	#356
So far, publicly, they have not admitted to receiving a thumping...	ljm2002	Nov 2012	#363
As noted by centrists Mann and Ornstein in "Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem."	Dark n Stormy Knight	Nov 2012	#425
Here is the problem	nadinbrzezinski	Nov 2012	#17
Thank you.	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#61
Can you inform us which "modern conservative ideas" Rachel is touting?	bullwinkle428	Nov 2012	#19
That's not what she said.	kstewart33	Nov 2012	#24
She didn't say shit about Ted Nugent, Mitt Romney and Pat Robertson, though.	MADem	Nov 2012	#109
I think you made my point for me.	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#165
I don't think they're salient to any point about "compromise." And elections DO have consequences.	MADem	Nov 2012	#480
Perhaps something like McCain-Finegold	Ruby the Liberal	Nov 2012	#300
Three (relatively) recent bills from or with support of conservatives in part	Sgent	Nov 2012	#385
We have done nothing but compromise	bowens43	Nov 2012	#21
The Hegelian dialectic is WITHIN the non-Republican sphere.	cthulu2016	Nov 2012	#23
Wow someone seems a little upset on the mandate.	aandegoons	Nov 2012	#25
Cut to the chase. I like it! ;-)	WinkyDink	Nov 2012	#28
If this was a mandate	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#65
Yeah, right. The Democrats are "obstructing" the GOP from dismantling SS, Medicare, Medicaid...	OldDem2012	Nov 2012	#82
This post was hidden by jury decision.	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#173
"They sound funny with your accent"? Pray tell, what does that mean? Explain, please....	OldDem2012	Nov 2012	#184
Contrarianism just for the sake of it doesn't go over well here.	brush	Nov 2012	#119
In a post	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#172
They did it was a huge loss for America.	aandegoons	Nov 2012	#291
Excuse me	Generic Other	Nov 2012	#27
Yep	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#66
I felt targeted by this statement	Generic Other	Nov 2012	#85
nice lecture	elehhhhna	Nov 2012	#29
Yes we do have a mandate to raise taxes on the rich	dsc	Nov 2012	#31
Re-read the OP	nadinbrzezinski	Nov 2012	#41
rofl.	Raffi Ella	Nov 2012	#33
You must have missed when the true GOP conservatives were hijacked by the ultra-far-right....	OldDem2012	Nov 2012	#35
You miss the point	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#71
I rarely miss any points, and in your case, I'm reading exactly what you wrote in your OP...	OldDem2012	Nov 2012	#105
Then why is Obama still president?	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#238
Then you get steamrolled because	theaocp	Nov 2012	#107
"Extremists on the left"	Hissyspit	Nov 2012	#270
I was like you	Blue4Texas	Nov 2012	#36
That is why they got whooped.	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#72
:) And let us not go into denial	Blue4Texas	Nov 2012	#97
So we should follow them?	jeff47	Nov 2012	#132
I am unsure	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#319
You've failed to cite any non-extreme views.	jeff47	Nov 2012	#346
They got whooped because the people you lumped into a "tea-party" esq mentally got out the vote!	MrMickeysMom	Nov 2012	#464
Your compromise speech would be better given to the Republicans	NV Whino	Nov 2012	#44
You can't compromise with a Party that has written off 47% of the nation	KansDem	Nov 2012	#45
The Republicans signed a pledge to not work with	Starry Messenger	Nov 2012	#46
a serious question - The traditional conservative movement may have had some worthwhile ideas	Douglas Carpenter	Nov 2012	#47
The GOP has demonstrated time and again that they refuse to negotiate or compromise	magical thyme	Nov 2012	#52
+1	LiberalLovinLug	Nov 2012	#281
Very well stated. I think it's very important that Dems get out there and sell the hell out of	Dark n Stormy Knight	Nov 2012	#494
so we should be prepared to cheer	hfojvt	Nov 2012	#54
I wish I could remember the last time a Liberal Idea was implemented	Doctor_J	Nov 2012	#55
I would just like to celebrate for a few more days	bluestateguy	Nov 2012	#56
Never take a message board seriously.	bigwillq	Nov 2012	#58
"listening and adjusting" that is your recommendation?! adjusting to what, exactly?	amborin	Nov 2012	#59
Adjusting to Social Security and Medicare cuts, silly.....	Junkdrawer	Nov 2012	#75
yep, that's the	amborin	Nov 2012	#96
and extension of 90% of the Bush tax cuts too	hfojvt	Nov 2012	#133
Yep. This smells like advertising to me. /nt	Marr	Nov 2012	#260
+1	leftstreet	Nov 2012	#416
the problem is their best ideas are not based in reality	LSK	Nov 2012	#64
This message was self-deleted by its author	brush	Nov 2012	#68
Nah.	Hissyspit	Nov 2012	#70
so when does the real left get a chance to speak?	ThomThom	Nov 2012	#77
When we elect more Progressive candidates.	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#88
Oh, now you want MORE PROGRESSIVES, do you? Because they are MORE CONSERVATIVE?	WinkyDink	Nov 2012	#100
No,	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#242
I was responding to the post which was about DU being too progressive	ThomThom	Nov 2012	#115
Please, tell us more about these wonderful conservative ideas you are promoting here.	Zorra	Nov 2012	#80
Do you want a list?	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#89
Yes.	Zoeisright	Nov 2012	#91
Just two or three quickies would suffice. nt	Zorra	Nov 2012	#93
Deep Thoughts, from Ted Pantshitter Nugent, Money BooBoo, and "Hellfire Patsy" Robertson!	MADem	Nov 2012	#117
Yes.	UnrepentantLiberal	Nov 2012	#148
Link to	stonecutter357	Nov 2012	#155
Well, time's up, I gotta go. That is the correct answer, btw: zip. zilch. nothing. nada.	Zorra	Nov 2012	#271
Short Version: I'm So Much Better Than You.	Paladin	Nov 2012	#94
You win the thread with that comment! nt	MADem	Nov 2012	#99
+1 nt	laundry_queen	Nov 2012	#111
This post was hidden by jury decision.	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#266
See post # 270.	Hissyspit	Nov 2012	#272
Nice straw man argument. nt	Fantastic Anarchist	Nov 2012	#537
my .....	madrchsod	Nov 2012	#268
+1000!!! Well done, brevity is the soul of wit! n/t	ljm2002	Nov 2012	#273
Well, the examples you provide in your premise just don't cut the mustard.	MADem	Nov 2012	#98
Agree completely. N/T	freemay20	Nov 2012	#101
Are they DUers or DUINOers? nt	valerief	Nov 2012	#103
You seem to have a poor memory	laundry_queen	Nov 2012	#108
The nebulous DU, in general?	Quantess	Nov 2012	#114
LOL	trumad	Nov 2012	#125
Listen, she is, but we need at LEAST a week to gloat. Lest you forget "get over it" of 2000. nt	LaydeeBug	Nov 2012	#127
good for you	heaven05	Nov 2012	#129
I'm seriously out of the loop cause I don't recall Rachel saying this, & I can't find it on web	Melinda	Nov 2012	#130
My guess is that the OP is referencing Rachel's excellent day-after episode.	WilliamPitt	Nov 2012	#141
Thanks Will, I'll give it a view asap. :-)	Melinda	Nov 2012	#150
Pretty much the best Rachel opening I've ever seen.	WilliamPitt	Nov 2012	#151
Yes that's it.	AlbertCat	Nov 2012	#185
Do you think OP is misinterpreting Rachel's point?	Hissyspit	Nov 2012	#287
No	WilliamPitt	Nov 2012	#333
OK. I totally disagree with you. Below is text of what Rachel actually said.	Zorra	Nov 2012	#573
I Agree	Liberal1975	Nov 2012	#135
DU lost the Congress in 2010?	WilliamPitt	Nov 2012	#137
I didn't intend	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#341
I hear you. I only hang out on DU during presidential elections or political events (Terry Schiavo)	Hamlette	Nov 2012	#138
i'm on rachel's side. BUT, republicans are no longer republicans or loyal.	pansypoo53219	Nov 2012	#140
But reasonable people with those conservative ideas you mention aren't running the ship.....	marmar	Nov 2012	#143
And here it is: the predictable, laughable corporate-echoing reply.	woo me with science	Nov 2012	#144
Good list. This also deserves it's own OP.	AnotherMcIntosh	Nov 2012	#221
Thank you, Woo	Blue_In_AK	Nov 2012	#357
Thank you for that. I think many have lost even the ability to absorb that though.	Bonobo	Nov 2012	#413
+1	Liberalynn	Nov 2012	#433
Recommending this post #144 by woo me with science	bvar22	Nov 2012	#460
Reminds me of one of my favorite DU Taglines ever:	OrwellwasRight	Nov 2012	#476
The 1% has the money to pay hordes of persuasive corporatist propagandists to spew	Zorra	Nov 2012	#578
"Conservative values" is an oxymoron.	McCamy Taylor	Nov 2012	#145
Have you ever dealt with these people personally?	RepublicansRZombies	Nov 2012	#152
"lump all of my fellow Americans" -- no, but we can much more easily do that with the Repub	NYC Liberal	Nov 2012	#156
Glad you have the resources to choose to grow. Millions don't because of too many	jtuck004	Nov 2012	#157
Conservatives DO have good ideas.	Stonepounder	Nov 2012	#160
That has always my experience as well	Liberal1975	Nov 2012	#193
Yes, the RNC has sold its soul.	Stonepounder	Nov 2012	#309
Puleez!	AlbertCat	Nov 2012	#199
Sure but let's not "compromise" before the other side has even made an offer...	jimlup	Nov 2012	#162
A slightly amusing OP	Vinnie From Indy	Nov 2012	#163
Oh get off it. OP is not trying to shut down discussion, but the purists try their damnedest. nt	Bernardo de La Paz	Nov 2012	#175
Where do I rail against opinions in my OP	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#178
Conservative sheep want to take us back to the stone age.	Larry Ogg	Nov 2012	#167
Um, actually, we have WASTED enough time, blood and treasure trying to play nice	leeroysphitz	Nov 2012	#168
That is what I feel	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#180
I didn't read the OP as suggesting Democrats play nice, but that they play smart	maui902	Nov 2012	#201
What are we "batshit crazy progressive purists" trying to "jam down their throats"?	pa28	Nov 2012	#171
It isn't about the policy	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#182
We should all learn to be more like third way Manny.	pa28	Nov 2012	#200
ROFL! Way to cut through the bullshit.	woo me with science	Nov 2012	#191
Quick translation of OP:	Jakes Progress	Nov 2012	#176
Your thesis is flawed.	blackspade	Nov 2012	#177
With all due respect	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#196
Actually you are talking about me.	blackspade	Nov 2012	#276
Anyone who thnks that progressive issue junlies skip voting for any reason--	eridani	Nov 2012	#436
Spot on!	Prana69	Nov 2012	#461
I am curious to know what the "unchecked Liberal Future Dreams" that	Live and Learn	Nov 2012	#187
LOL	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#205
I must have missed those. Were they proposing it be mandatory for all?	Live and Learn	Nov 2012	#234
It takes lots of time and DEDICATION to shag everyone in town.	Dragonfli	Nov 2012	#398
I'll say. Shag, haven't heard that term in a long time.	Live and Learn	Nov 2012	#427
your straw man is some sort of dirty PCP addled hippy I gather	Dragonfli	Nov 2012	#396
Returning to a decentralized agrarian based culture is perhaps the only way to reverse ecological	SubgeniusHasSlack	Nov 2012	#580
I'm not a purist, but	ProSense	Nov 2012	#188
I DISAGREE	zwyziec	Nov 2012	#189
Thank you.	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#203
I've read enough of your comments in this thread. Trashing....3...2...1....GONE!! nt.	OldDem2012	Nov 2012	#194
is this new framing memo?	datasuspect	Nov 2012	#197
Yeah	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#206
er	datasuspect	Nov 2012	#262
Dismissed	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#331
just make sure you take your shoes off	datasuspect	Nov 2012	#334
No.	BlueCaliDem	Nov 2012	#210
so when do the obstructionist repubs	datasuspect	Nov 2012	#259
holding conservative values and shoving those values down people's throats	SemperEadem	Nov 2012	#209
What if	femrap	Nov 2012	#215
Are you softening us up for a "compromise" on social security?	TBF	Nov 2012	#216
I'm just really tired of the gravedancing. Enough already.	Flaxbee	Nov 2012	#220
I see DU's purpose in the world differently.	JBoy	Nov 2012	#223
If that is the case	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#227
We also do outrage.	JBoy	Nov 2012	#239
They call themselves that, calling them by their chosen name is not derogatory	Dragonfli	Nov 2012	#406
Nice Idea but ...	dtom67	Nov 2012	#225
"mandate, which there wasn't by the way?"	librechik	Nov 2012	#226
Only a mandate	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#231
when Han-nutty says he has changed his opinion on immigration, and Kristol on taxes, believe me	librechik	Nov 2012	#312
Yin, meet Yang :0)	DonRedwood	Nov 2012	#228
Social Security is not an issue to be giving in on	UCmeNdc	Nov 2012	#229
President and DEMS gave too much away to achieve a GRAND BARGAIN.	CarmanK	Nov 2012	#230
UNREC!	MotherPetrie	Nov 2012	#233
LOL	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#245
many of us are just DONE with trying to compromise with repugs who have to get their own way	wordpix	Nov 2012	#240
Then don't	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#250
I don't think that's what she was saying at all.	Marr	Nov 2012	#246
You're right	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#269
Weak-Lame-Useless	Teamster Jeff	Nov 2012	#253
This post was hidden by jury decision.	Iman A. Sole	Nov 2012	#256
This message was self-deleted by its author	AnotherMcIntosh	Nov 2012	#257
Are you soft in the head?	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#290
No one is putting words in your mouth. Your own words are sufficient. You said,	AnotherMcIntosh	Nov 2012	#324
Sorry, I will NOT tolerate a party full of racists, homophobes, and misogynists	Hugabear	Nov 2012	#261
All right, I am wrong.	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#275
This message was self-deleted by its author	AnotherMcIntosh	Nov 2012	#301
Thank you.	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#316
Being disingenuous, are you?	AnotherMcIntosh	Nov 2012	#336
Are you trying	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#349
He doesn't have to "flex" it.	bvar22	Nov 2012	#415
Well said. I am one that thinks the strongest democratic party is one that allows in an	bluestate10	Nov 2012	#277
Here Comes Barrack-O-Claus Song	ErikJ	Nov 2012	#286
I	John2	Nov 2012	#292
I'm not talking about you.	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#320
I think Obama won because voters recognized his attempts to compromise	graywarrior	Nov 2012	#295
I shudder to think...	kentuck	Nov 2012	#305
This was just mentioned yesterday	just1voice	Nov 2012	#306
Not practical.	Barack_America	Nov 2012	#307
Good points. I'm pretty far left, and am guilty as you say.	loudsue	Nov 2012	#318
I rec.ed this OP for this reason only	chknltl	Nov 2012	#321
Sorry, but the far left is needed to counterbalance the far right.	Blue_In_AK	Nov 2012	#326
LOL. I would never expect an Alaskan to	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#329
Believe me, Alaska's progressives have to fight harder than progressives	Blue_In_AK	Nov 2012	#370
Third Way Bullshit	whatchamacallit	Nov 2012	#330
At last	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#332
There were 329 posts before this one....	Prana69	Nov 2012	#466
Fix Bush's right wing swing FIRST. Then compromise. Sheesh.	RedCloud	Nov 2012	#337
Yeah, how dare Democrats advote for the Party platform on DU?	TransitJohn	Nov 2012	#338
They haven't offered any new ideas in a long time.	Liberalynn	Nov 2012	#345
+100000	RepublicansRZombies	Nov 2012	#378
speaking of Hegelian dialectic - if both sides are calling for cuts in people-oriented programs -	Douglas Carpenter	Nov 2012	#347
"...hear their (Republicans) best arguments..."	progressoid	Nov 2012	#348
What a load of horseshit.	1-Old-Man	Nov 2012	#351
Why thank you	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#358
LOLOLOLOLOL	WiffenPoof	Nov 2012	#517
No, she's wrong. The "conservatives" have long been off the cliff's edge.	Norrin Radd	Nov 2012	#352
So Obama	JEB	Nov 2012	#361
+1 n/t	whatchamacallit	Nov 2012	#362
100% correct!!!	zorro1	Nov 2012	#366
It seems that strategy is not every Progressive's strong suit.	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#368
"The Progressive purists took control of the boards" = in an alternative universe.	HiPointDem	Nov 2012	#367
+1	Blue_In_AK	Nov 2012	#374
This poster is right, but...	Phillyindy	Nov 2012	#371
+100000000	RepublicansRZombies	Nov 2012	#380
Oh, one more thing before I leave this fascinating thread...	Blue_In_AK	Nov 2012	#372
Great post!	JNelson6563	Nov 2012	#373
Rachel was asking for a return to IDEAS from both sides.	DirkGently	Nov 2012	#375
There's always some danger of overreaching.	moondust	Nov 2012	#376
REMEMBER: RACHEL SPELLED IT OUT.	TheAmbivalante	Nov 2012	#379
In the meantime	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#381
I don't see it as cannibalism	TheAmbivalante	Nov 2012	#384
TheAmbivalante, best post of this ridiculous thread.	Fantastic Anarchist	Nov 2012	#509
Completely agree!	bullwinkle428	Nov 2012	#546
Let's agree to disagree. strongly disagree.	robinlynne	Nov 2012	#387
Okay	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#421
Recommended. The first difficulty is to see that the problem is difficult.	WheelWalker	Nov 2012	#388
screw that idea	PowerToThePeople	Nov 2012	#391
Alrighty, which group are you willing to compromise away?	JoeyT	Nov 2012	#392
How about I compromise me	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#418
Weird how everyone gives a little	JoeyT	Nov 2012	#426
very well said	Liberalynn	Nov 2012	#447
If you don't STAND for SOMETHING,	bvar22	Nov 2012	#400
+1.	robinlynne	Nov 2012	#428
As always, I totally agree with you.	Blue_In_AK	Nov 2012	#434
Yay!	whatchamacallit	Nov 2012	#438
Single best post of this thread.	Melinda	Nov 2012	#451
+1	Zorra	Nov 2012	#574
I agree. Great post!	loyalsister	Nov 2012	#402
The problem is the dynamic we've been forced into.	The Doctor.	Nov 2012	#404
Or you use Aikido	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#445
Never did Aikido.	The Doctor.	Nov 2012	#453
I liked Carville's comment	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#459
Wow!	The Old Creak	Nov 2012	#405
K & R! nt	cecilfirefox	Nov 2012	#410
There are very few actual conservatives left....	Spitfire of ATJ	Nov 2012	#411
Sort of	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#420
Yeah,....as an "emergency tax cut" for the rich....	Spitfire of ATJ	Nov 2012	#424
history is not forwarded by the WRONG ideas however...	JCMach1	Nov 2012	#435
Welcome to DU. My post count is immense .... nearly all of it pre-2008.	Buzz Clik	Nov 2012	#437
Mine is bigger than yours.	Hissyspit	Nov 2012	#485
Yeah, well, I took a four year break.	Buzz Clik	Nov 2012	#556
Well, you were supposed to laugh, too.	Hissyspit	Nov 2012	#557
I did laugh ... just off script. ;)	Buzz Clik	Nov 2012	#558
I agree wholeheartedly	Flatpicker	Nov 2012	#439
Right, let's start making deals with folks want see Obama swinging from a tree!	nonoxy9	Nov 2012	#449
Yeah, because that is exactly what I said. (O.o)	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#452
Agreed.	ReasonableToo	Nov 2012	#454
Yeah, what a terrible idea..	iamthebandfanman	Nov 2012	#455
Yeah,	CaptJasHook	Nov 2012	#457
Obama tried this the first time around on HealthCare	Dems50State	Nov 2012	#465
I dont agree. You say, "But now I see the same old tired intransigent purists	rhett o rick	Nov 2012	#469
I concur, but we can't compromise with madness.	FreeBC	Nov 2012	#470
A few thoughts on your post	davidpdx	Nov 2012	#472
Fine sentiment that is not realistically applicable in present circumstances	TheKentuckian	Nov 2012	#473
Sorry but Fuck This.	MessiahRp	Nov 2012	#474
[Uuuuh, no. You're totally wrong...] Let me explain this, CaptJasHook...	6502	Nov 2012	#477
!	HCE SuiGeneris	Nov 2012	#484
Nicely done.	Puglover	Nov 2012	#520
The strength of liberal ideas isn't promoted by embodying compromise.	lumberjack_jeff	Nov 2012	#478
This carcass has ben picked clean. n/t	rudycantfail	Nov 2012	#482
At this point in the game,	defacto7	Nov 2012	#486
You don't have to argue the republicans ideas FOR them, now, do you?	grahamhgreen	Nov 2012	#488
Purists?	davidthegnome	Nov 2012	#490
All things considered...	davidthegnome	Nov 2012	#495
Nice sentiment, if only	doccraig67	Nov 2012	#496
You want us to pre-compromise our values before they even come to a debate	cprise	Nov 2012	#497
Another thought: Those who believe government is necessarily Evil	cprise	Nov 2012	#498
Let's consider what happened in 2009-2010.	Pab Sungenis	Nov 2012	#503
Don't expect elevated discussion at DU. This is a partisan website.	NC_Nurse	Nov 2012	#504
"Unlike me you're all hateful idealogues. Discuss!" n/t	GOTV	Nov 2012	#510
MSNBC: “We’re closer to Fox than we’ve ever been” Ratings	cprise	Nov 2012	#511
MSNBC was resurrected on the backs of progressives and liberals.	Fla Dem	Nov 2012	#521
Gotta kick this one	kamron	Nov 2012	#512
ideological purity is not a problem for the Democrats	Enrique	Nov 2012	#519
"Centrism" & "Compromise"!!!!!	bvar22	Nov 2012	#536
Yes, but it does seem to have gotten past an awful lot of others.	sabrina 1	Nov 2012	#555
Yes. According to the Third Way, anyone who believes that democracy is "Government Of,	Zorra	Nov 2012	#567
I communicate with	RegieRocker	Nov 2012	#539
I am all up for the grand bargain	Taverner	Nov 2012	#576
So it is okay with you to "bargain" away social security and Medicare?	djean111	Nov 2012	#577
No - we're talking about something else then	Taverner	Nov 2012	#582
Well, what else do Republicans want to bargain about?	djean111	Nov 2012	#584
Amen.	renie408	Nov 2012	#581

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