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markpkessinger

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69. There is no reform possible of the electoral college ...
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:50 PM
Nov 2012

... We either have to throw the whole thing out, which would require a Constitutional amendment, or stick with it as it is.

One proposal Republicans have been trying to push (they tried to push it through in Pennsylvania) is to change it so that instead of a per state, winner-take-all allocation of electoral votes, electoral votes would be awarded by Congressional district. That, of course, would make the election of the President subject to the same kind of gerrymandering that has given us a Republican House.

The system is imperfect, but a constitutional amendment is tough, and as the OP points out, most of the proposals for changing the way the electoral college works are really nothing more than Republican schemes to skew elections in their favor.

Keep the system the way it is- graham4anything Nov 2012 #1
Remember back in 2000? SoutherDem Nov 2012 #3
The most new electoral votes that would be added for Puerto Rico would be 2 SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2012 #7
No it would be 3 and Puerto Rico if state, would obviously get house reps graham4anything Nov 2012 #8
Please read what I wrote SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2012 #9
then DC would decrease to 2 so it would seem the law would change before that happens graham4anything Nov 2012 #10
You're still not understanding what I'm saying SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2012 #11
oh,sorry- I see...(then lets pull them from Wyoming and Kansas and SD and graham4anything Nov 2012 #12
We can't do that n/t SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2012 #13
I am making a joke graham4anything Nov 2012 #14
Meh, I don't know SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2012 #18
Why don't they just say "each white vote = 100 other votes? kelliekat44 Nov 2012 #2
I agree except it should be white men. SoutherDem Nov 2012 #4
The popular vote option would work too much like a corporation. moondust Nov 2012 #5
because nearly all the US people live in cities CreekDog Nov 2012 #6
New York City and Los Angeles don't have rallies because their EV's aren't in doubt. hughee99 Nov 2012 #23
And they would grow even bigger. moondust Nov 2012 #31
This is one of the most absurd things I've ever read. Son of Gob Nov 2012 #42
You can read? moondust Nov 2012 #43
Great comeback, what are you 12? Son of Gob Nov 2012 #44
Do you have moondust Nov 2012 #45
Your freeper like idiocy doesn't deserve anything less than derision and scorn. Son of Gob Nov 2012 #46
Rural areas would still be represented in congress Hippo_Tron Nov 2012 #35
So they shouldn't have their concerns addressed by the President? n/t SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2012 #38
Sure they do, just like urban areas deserve to have their concerns addressed Hippo_Tron Nov 2012 #62
I only asked because in your previous post SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2012 #65
To be more specific, they're overrepresented in the United States Senate Hippo_Tron Nov 2012 #66
I disagree that they are over-represented in the Senate SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2012 #67
Don't really want to debate the overrepresentation thing, that's not really the point Hippo_Tron Nov 2012 #68
You have left out a key part of the "conditional state by state pledge" grantcart Nov 2012 #15
i have an issue unless all states are included in the pledge CreekDog Nov 2012 #16
I am not following your logic grantcart Nov 2012 #19
Yes, that's what my OP says, and that's what the post you're responding to says CreekDog Nov 2012 #20
Then the only way to make you happy is a Constitutional amendment SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2012 #24
I'm not a 'good is the enemy of the perfect' kind of person, an EC-hybrid approach isn't *good* CreekDog Nov 2012 #28
Then it will never happen because the small states needed to pass an amendment are the same who... JVS Nov 2012 #55
Absent a Constitutional amendment to do away with the EC SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2012 #17
no, not with gerrymandered districts it's not. CreekDog Nov 2012 #21
I've been looking for an election map broken down by Congressional district SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2012 #25
this talks about the issue CreekDog Nov 2012 #26
Uh the election breakdown by congressional district is approximately the Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #27
Could be SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2012 #29
So actually this is a difficult question to fully answer. Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #30
I agree with the core point here slackmaster Nov 2012 #22
Take away 2 electoral votes from each state, that will make it more proportional population-wise. Odin2005 Nov 2012 #32
A straight popular vote is not fair. NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #33
Your argument fails to take several considerations into account. Hippo_Tron Nov 2012 #36
But you wouldn't see it "all over the country" with a straight popular vote. NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #37
I disagree, Democrats would visit Idaho and Oklahoma if there were no electoral college Hippo_Tron Nov 2012 #50
Candidates would have no reason to appeal to moderates without the EC. NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #54
Have you ever worked on a campaign? Doing ONLY GOTV makes no sense whatsoever Hippo_Tron Nov 2012 #56
You're missing my point. NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #58
No, you're missing mine Hippo_Tron Nov 2012 #59
You're wrong. Obama won the majority of his votes from safe blue states this election. NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #60
Yes we agree, they would spend "more of their time" in blue and red states Hippo_Tron Nov 2012 #61
Appropriate Electoral Votes By Givers & Takers... KharmaTrain Nov 2012 #34
Here are the states joining the "right wing attempt" to fix the Electoral College SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2012 #39
the congressional district allocation one is the right wing one CreekDog Nov 2012 #40
In an all or nothing option SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2012 #41
popular vote is non-starter to you because you don't like the idea? CreekDog Nov 2012 #47
Both n/t SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2012 #49
if you don't want the Popular vote to count, then why some hybrid? CreekDog Nov 2012 #71
Give each state 1 electoral vote, tied to that state's popular vote. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2012 #48
That's a terrible idea democrattotheend Nov 2012 #53
No it isn't. Why should 1 state get a candidate more than 25% to the finish line? cherokeeprogressive Nov 2012 #63
Because 1 state has a lot more people democrattotheend Nov 2012 #64
"that would force candidates to run in all 50 states" JVS Nov 2012 #70
Perhaps we can ween the US off the Electoral College by instituting an Electoral Junior College... WCGreen Nov 2012 #51
Just saw this, thanks for the LOL n/t SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2012 #57
I'm surprised the RW hasn't revived the 3/5 Compromise... nt HooptieWagon Nov 2012 #52
There is no reform possible of the electoral college ... markpkessinger Nov 2012 #69
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