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Sat Nov 10, 2012, 03:10 PM

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63. what a fascinating segment

to see Joe admit that Fox news and Rush Limbaugh and Karl Rove are screwing the GOP out of existence.

It's an argument that is closer to the truth than the one I thought they would have "Romney was a flawed candidate".

Ok, yes, they did not do the deep soul searching about class and income in America but they came closer that I have seen them in years. When Frum said the bit about $1 trillion in welfare he was spot on. If you base believes welfare costs $1 trillion they are not going to be receptive to an argument about health care or immigration but those people are already sucking up $1 trillion a year. It gets at the question of poverty/middle class/income without hitting it head on.

Joe is still willing to blame "the others" in the media instead of recognizing his role in the same thing.

BTW, watch UP this morning, more great discussion about race and the election and what will become of the GOP.

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170 replies	Author	Time	Post
None of panelists on Scarborough-not Joe-not David Gregory-not Chuck Todd, none dared to answer... [View all]	kpete	Nov 2012	OP
Of course not. nt	silvershadow	Nov 2012	#1
Yes, and they will continue to blithely ignore it. That's how they	enough	Nov 2012	#2
+1. eom	99 Percent Sure	Nov 2012	#22
Home Truths, Ma'am	The Magistrate	Nov 2012	#3
David Frum is the only conservative worth listening to. He may not always be right	spooky3	Nov 2012	#4
He easily quadrupled the collective IQ of the group by his participation.	reusrename	Nov 2012	#20
Yes, that was amazingly insightful. I hadn't thought of it in those ways exactly...	Honeycombe8	Nov 2012	#33
It has to be the best two minute expose on the subject.	reusrename	Nov 2012	#59
That's a fantastic video. Thanks for posting it. n/t	cui bono	Nov 2012	#82
A helluva video. I've got to check dis Louis Ludwig guy out. Thanks for the post.	ancianita	Nov 2012	#114
That's an extraordinary video. Thanks. eom	truth2power	Nov 2012	#139
Frum is the kind of Republican to fear...	Moostache	Nov 2012	#35
I fear the crazies more than the sane ones.	MNBrewer	Nov 2012	#60
This, I agree with. A smart Republican (like Frum, like Steve Schmidt)	Volaris	Nov 2012	#122
Schmidt, Frum and a few others seem to be	hifiguy	Nov 2012	#163
Wow, Volaris!	Rainngirl	Nov 2012	#168
He's still a neocon. That's why he endorsed Romney.	MissMarple	Nov 2012	#170
+1 nt	ProudProgressiveNow	Nov 2012	#45
Frum and Susan Del Percio are the only republicans I can stand to listen to.	IL Lib	Nov 2012	#75
Agreed. I like Susan. And I'm warming up to Frum. eom	ChisolmTrailDem	Nov 2012	#169
wow! proud he's a fellow Lymie :=) n/t	laruemtt	Nov 2012	#145
They're still surprised that the majority of Americans voted in	TwilightGardener	Nov 2012	#5
Because they live a life of illusion.	jonthebru	Nov 2012	#39
very well said..."live a life of illusion" nt	Stuart G	Nov 2012	#138
Same Old GOP Double-Standard	GatorLarry	Nov 2012	#154
yes, he called them out, those still living in that bubble	newspeak	Nov 2012	#162
pleased to see some conservatives bucking the lemming parade	ibegurpard	Nov 2012	#6
I don't want that....	femrap	Nov 2012	#26
+1 nt	ProudProgressiveNow	Nov 2012	#46
Scarborogh reiterated: "Conservatives have been lied to."	The Blue Flower	Nov 2012	#7
The Oligarchs have pulled the wool over the eyes of the conservatives.	rhett o rick	Nov 2012	#38
perfect ?	kpete	Nov 2012	#41
Found on the net (I use it quite a bit in the message board wars) - "Hey tea party fanatics, google	progree	Nov 2012	#58
Dopey	ceeRoy	Nov 2012	#128
buh bye	Gabi Hayes	Nov 2012	#131
?? "buh bye" ?? - I think he was agreeing with my characterization of tea party fanatics, not	progree	Nov 2012	#149
yeah....now I look dopey forever. not unusual, that	Gabi Hayes	Nov 2012	#153
We told them, for years, that they're being lied to	MNBrewer	Nov 2012	#61
That's becasue Rush and Crew told them to. THAT'S Frum's point.	Volaris	Nov 2012	#123
Hilarious to watch Dead Intern sit there and pretend he wasn't	beac	Nov 2012	#88
The Asshole Is Dumb As A Bag Of Cat Shit	HangOnKids	Nov 2012	#93
My cats resent that They know their shit is smarter	catbyte	Nov 2012	#95
...heh heh heh ...	progressoid	Nov 2012	#160
ROFLMAO	catbyte	Nov 2012	#161
!!!	hifiguy	Nov 2012	#164
It would be AWESOME to find out he is one of Frum's "Named Names",	Volaris	Nov 2012	#125
That is unbelievable that Joe Scarborough, Chuch Todd, and	avebury	Nov 2012	#111
The utter disconnect is mind-boggling.	Ineeda	Nov 2012	#133
Frum's analysis is right on	BainsBane	Nov 2012	#8
My cousin's husband was still like that on Election night	Stagecoach	Nov 2012	#54
"conservative entertainment media complex"	Volaris	Nov 2012	#124
How about COMIC?	Doc Holliday	Nov 2012	#135
I am fully in support of your improvement suggestion. How do we schedule a committee meeting,	Volaris	Nov 2012	#142
sing it, David	Whisp	Nov 2012	#9
+1 nt	ProudProgressiveNow	Nov 2012	#48
Full of BS, comical "conservative entertainment complex" who call themselves "news"	AnotherMother4Peace	Nov 2012	#10
I couldn't believe what I was hearing..	butterfly77	Nov 2012	#11
"Those who seem to despise half of America will never be trusted to govern any of it.	bloomington-lib	Nov 2012	#12
But he doesn't get to take the next step	TomClash	Nov 2012	#13
Everybody talking on TV is wearing a suit that costs more than two week's pay for the viewers...	Spitfire of ATJ	Nov 2012	#14
Yep, the Limbaughs, Hannitys, Levins, Coulters, Ingrahams, O'Reillys, and their ilk	rateyes	Nov 2012	#15
These people	femrap	Nov 2012	#28
Murdoch is not going to change...	sendero	Nov 2012	#156
He should	femrap	Nov 2012	#157
I thought that through the oughts, but they're just as relevant as ever.	valerief	Nov 2012	#51
"....because half the country contribute nothing to the national endeavor."	Skidmore	Nov 2012	#16
Re-read	FiveGoodMen	Nov 2012	#21
Of Course They Ignored It	Bigredhunk	Nov 2012	#17
I especially despise Chuck Toad. The slimy bastard is despicable.	olegramps	Nov 2012	#144
"Conservative entertainment complex":	Bernardo de La Paz	Nov 2012	#18
yep	heaven05	Nov 2012	#19
I believe it's math that explains the influence the Conservation Entertainment Complex	AnotherMother4Peace	Nov 2012	#23
Why did he lose?	PD Turk	Nov 2012	#24
yeah I thought that segment was remarkable as well	Enrique	Nov 2012	#25
11:33 - "I won't soon forget the lupine smile"	reflection	Nov 2012	#27
It's very easy to exploit that type of thinking - which is what the CEC (Conservative Entertainment	AnotherMother4Peace	Nov 2012	#30
Evil and vile cynicism	emulatorloo	Nov 2012	#31
I recall that's what Herbert Hoover thought	burnsei sensei	Nov 2012	#44
To Joe's credit he did have David Frum repeat that last paragraph on how the Republican Party	Uncle Joe	Nov 2012	#29
But only after Halperin took over as discussion moderator and asked Frum to elaborate.	speedoo	Nov 2012	#73
K and R...nt...	Stuart G	Nov 2012	#32
I would have missed this exchange had you not posted it	reflection	Nov 2012	#34
"The Leaders Have No Space To Operate"	DallasNE	Nov 2012	#36
Bookmarking as no time to watch now	AllyCat	Nov 2012	#37
Tired of Overpaid Cable/Radio Pundits telling us what to think and believe	LovingA2andMI	Nov 2012	#40
Rove and Frum as Bialystock and Bloom-	stlsaxman	Nov 2012	#42
He spoke of the silenced.	burnsei sensei	Nov 2012	#43
Yep THIS ^^^^^^	LovingA2andMI	Nov 2012	#50
Didn't realize he was Canadian	eridani	Nov 2012	#117
I've never heard any conservative talk about poor people and the middle class like that before	liberal_at_heart	Nov 2012	#118
I hope none of them wake up to Frum.	Jennicut	Nov 2012	#47
The core value of the Republican Party is to make oodles of money for the 1%. Nothing else matters.	valerief	Nov 2012	#49
If America has caught on to this, it's Obama's crowning achievement.	harun	Nov 2012	#108
Hell of a segment....	ProudProgressiveNow	Nov 2012	#52
Thank you kpete or posting this...	Liberal1975	Nov 2012	#53
I don't understand how they think they can get the Latino vote and their base in the same tent....	Walk away	Nov 2012	#64
I think the only way	Liberal1975	Nov 2012	#66
They tried using gay rights to split the African American vote away from the Democrats	MNBrewer	Nov 2012	#71
How could it?	Liberal1975	Nov 2012	#78
They won't do it, that's their christian fundamentalist base. It's too large a voting block.	Dont call me Shirley	Nov 2012	#80
I agree...though	Liberal1975	Nov 2012	#81
No...no...no...	DirtyDawg	Nov 2012	#55
This	John2	Nov 2012	#56
Good For Frum	colsohlibgal	Nov 2012	#57
Frum is going to be on Real Time with Bill Maher next Friday.	Son of Gob	Nov 2012	#62
ugh; I don't like Maher's format anymore... last night was just almost	Flaxbee	Nov 2012	#76
what a fascinating segment	Hamlette	Nov 2012	#63
"The people who made him wear cement shoes are blaming him for sinking"	Dorn	Nov 2012	#65
because of their tribalism?	BlancheSplanchnik	Nov 2012	#150
David Gregory is such a tool	LiberalLovinLug	Nov 2012	#67
RW rado is the main problem here. LIMBAUGH! is the name they dare not speak and that they can't	certainot	Nov 2012	#68
Their propaganda machine is biting them in the butt - the greedy pigs nt	AnotherMother4Peace	Nov 2012	#70
very simple; Romney is a cipher	creon	Nov 2012	#69
He gave the 1% a promise of mo' money. He took everyone else to go shit in	valerief	Nov 2012	#151
yes	creon	Nov 2012	#152
David Frum - rare Republican truth-teller	cilla4progress	Nov 2012	#72
David Brooks says similar things, which is also why he is derided as a "moderate"...	TomCADem	Nov 2012	#101
Frum concerns me for the following:	Tutonic	Nov 2012	#74
I found that curious as well. How, after all he said, could he think Romney would make a good pres?	cui bono	Nov 2012	#83
That's the thing, Frum thinks the Republicans have deviated from a more ideal course...	JHB	Nov 2012	#136
Poignant !	canichelouis	Nov 2012	#77
so many good points on this clip	southmost	Nov 2012	#79
K&R	DeSwiss	Nov 2012	#84
If anyone thinks that the GOP will magically transform itself they are delusional.	olegramps	Nov 2012	#147
Did Chuck Todd break his mirror?	cui bono	Nov 2012	#85
I know it is petty	PatSeg	Nov 2012	#96
I agree. But this time it really looked completely crooked,	cui bono	Nov 2012	#98
Guess it was worse than usual	PatSeg	Nov 2012	#107
I saw this and was amazed	Slit Skirt	Nov 2012	#86
Two thoughts	deutsey	Nov 2012	#87
f.u.c.k.i.n.g.a.	spanone	Nov 2012	#89
I saw this	PatSeg	Nov 2012	#90
Priceless.	MissMarple	Nov 2012	#91
That maybe the first shot in the Republican civil war	davidpdx	Nov 2012	#92
Keep in mind that this is not a retrospective dump from Frum.	ballaratocker	Nov 2012	#94
Yep-- they thoroughly ignored his point about the majority being disregarded.	Marr	Nov 2012	#97
Gore and Clinton were right. The corporate media is the BIGGEST threat to our democracy. nt	progressivebydesign	Nov 2012	#99
Kick and Rec. That is just wonderful.	Hekate	Nov 2012	#100
I knew there had to be	AlGoreRhythms	Nov 2012	#102
Andrea "Greenspan" Michell	MissNostalgia	Nov 2012	#103
She is pathetic.	FlaGranny	Nov 2012	#134
"Conservative entertainment complex"	shcrane71	Nov 2012	#104
Hey.... remember this? Oct 2008?	AlbertCat	Nov 2012	#105
Holy Shit Balls, someone on the CORPORATE media told the truth. Bravo FRUM	harun	Nov 2012	#106
I Want The Repugs To Remain Clueless and Crazy !	YOHABLO	Nov 2012	#109
I don't	SpartanDem	Nov 2012	#115
! saving	BlancheSplanchnik	Nov 2012	#110
An AWESOME 5 minutes of Truth	whathehell	Nov 2012	#112
Paul Ryan's job was to sell our lives. Shameful! He is ruined in politics. Thanks! for spanking him	patrice	Nov 2012	#113
Looks like they want to 'turn' on the millionnaires at FUX...	Amonester	Nov 2012	#116
Frum's indictment is powerful. It is beyond me why he endorsed Romney.	Faryn Balyncd	Nov 2012	#119
Bookmarked! Needs to be brought up again by Social Media..again and again..	Cha	Nov 2012	#120
Also that one: "do we spend a trillion dollars on welfare?"	Amonester	Nov 2012	#121
"Dared to answer?" What does that mean, or suggest?	elleng	Nov 2012	#126
wow, that was stunning.	krkaufman	Nov 2012	#127
Lindsey Graham	The Wizard	Nov 2012	#129
Fleeced, exploited & lied to by the conservative entertainment industry.	Historic NY	Nov 2012	#130
That struck me as well	libodem	Nov 2012	#140
All Too Rare	Andy Stanton	Nov 2012	#132
As if you're not part of the problem, Scar!	Jester Messiah	Nov 2012	#137
david gregory can always find a bright light for republicans, even in the darkest night	spanone	Nov 2012	#141
Frum: "Mitt Romney could have been a really good president". I really don't understand	truth2power	Nov 2012	#143
Conservative entertainment complex	AllyCat	Nov 2012	#146
AS I've been pointing out here, and over at the Orange Site:	Iggy	Nov 2012	#148
W understood NOTHING! BOTH elections were STOLEN for him!	benld74	Nov 2012	#155
Conservatives have been lied to. That was the basic premise over the Gravis affair.	grantcart	Nov 2012	#158
Day-um! Now that's good shit!	longship	Nov 2012	#159
I pretty much hate all these people.	jonthebru	Nov 2012	#165
does this mean they will finally kick Rush and FOX news to the curb?	liberal_at_heart	Nov 2012	#166
The question is, why is the activist/donor base so fricken gullible that they can be so easily	spicegal	Nov 2012	#167

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