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Honeycombe8

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50. Here ya go. Funny stuff.

Reply to OldDem2012 (Reply #40)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 02:07 PM

Nov 2012

And this:

The media didn't determine who won. 70 million people watched the debate, and based on that, a lot of them decided not to vote for Obama. It's clear that most of those 70 M thought Obama was absent at the debate. A lie that goes unchallenged to someone who doesn't know, is left to be thought of as truth.

I love Obama. No one is a bigger supporter. But I don't live in a bubble. I can see what's what, even through my subjective eyes.

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It would be nice if those DUers who [View all] malaise Nov 2012 OP

They received a shellacking in the House vote too. Too bad for gerrymandering. JaneyVee Nov 2012 #1

+1 nt ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #2

Yep - it's hilarious how they are now using the gerrymandering malaise Nov 2012 #13

I thought it was going to be close. I have nothing to apologize for.... Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #3

No need for names malaise Nov 2012 #18

I went by data. Not pundits. Those who thought he'd win a landslide, that was wishful thinking Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #26

The popular vote was not close at all malaise Nov 2012 #30

Yes. About 1.5%. I hadn't realized it had gone up that much from FL. Election night it was 1%.nt Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #44

And still counting brush Nov 2012 #51

Let's see...the President wins by at least 3 mill pop vote and more than 100 EV.... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #39

Adding a recent post by DUer Creek Dog.... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #43

Well said. lalalu Nov 2012 #32

seems to me it WAS close hfojvt Nov 2012 #56

you can make a similar case for most elections InsultComicDog Nov 2012 #67

Many elections have been close hfojvt Nov 2012 #71

What would be the point? cynatnite Nov 2012 #4

I always thought that Obama would win...until Evergreen Emerald Nov 2012 #5

I'll happily admit I was wrong. I have no problem doing so. cali Nov 2012 #6

What is legitimacy? n/t malaise Nov 2012 #9

Uniform laws in each states, getting rid of Citizen's United cali Nov 2012 #14

No - legitimacy is the view of citizens that the government rightfully earned its right to rule malaise Nov 2012 #19

actually, what you suggest is simply one interpretation cali Nov 2012 #23

I said legitimate political system not malaise Nov 2012 #27

I hope (against hope?) that Congress tackles this issue. The RIGHT to vote EASILY Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #31

I would opt to take Rick Hasen, professor of Law & Political Science BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #52

I thought it was a slam dunk after the Dem Nat'l Convention. Then the 1st debate happened. Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #11

Only the media could push the view that one debate could decide the plethora of issues malaise Nov 2012 #21

It wasn't the issues alone. It was performance. As Obama himself joked... Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #22

Debate performance? malaise Nov 2012 #29

I seem to recall that Romney lied and flip-flopped constantly during that first debate..... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #40

100% correct malaise Nov 2012 #41

Yes, Romney lied. But the fact is....Obama lost. Yes, Romney's a lying SOS.... Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #46

I got it exactly right. Ikonoklast Nov 2012 #69

You weren't watching the same MSNBC I was watching during and after the 1st debate. Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #47

Yes, I watched those screamers at MSNBC and was horrified by their bad behavior..... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #57

Sigh. This isn't a controversy. Obama lost the 1st debate hands down. Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #45

Yes, a debate is about DEBATING. It's not about fact checking... Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #48

Hmmm. "It's not about fact checking"????.... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #58

No. The PEOPLE decide who won. Not fact checkers afterwards. Millions decided Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #63

IF a debate is not about fact cheking malaise Nov 2012 #62

The PEOPLE decide who won. If a debater lies, and the other debater doesn't call him on it... Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #66

Here ya go. Funny stuff. Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #50

Ignore. nt. OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #59

I know you can't see this, but for the record: If you can't take facts, why are you in a forum like Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #60

... Safetykitten Nov 2012 #7

Good post malaise Nov 2012 #35

As for our political system being legitimate and always passing the test? NNN0LHI Nov 2012 #8

So there were three or four states with problems - serious electoral problems malaise Nov 2012 #24

I predicted lalalu Nov 2012 #10

Me, too. I just didn't dare dream he'd get over 300 EVs. But he didn't NEED to. Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #15

DUer Statistical gave me some serious lessons malaise Nov 2012 #36

Maybe the credit goes to the voting public. Turbineguy Nov 2012 #12

Absolutely - they believed that if they turned out malaise Nov 2012 #33

I trusted Nate Silver and his numbers obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #16

People are not gullible malaise Nov 2012 #37

And, I think this election was a huge grassroots rising obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #49

In my heart of hearts I knew that we were going to prevail madokie Nov 2012 #17

I was calming folks here malaise Nov 2012 #38

About 2 weeks before the election DU was pervaded by paranoia KurtNYC Nov 2012 #20

And that is why we need this thread malaise Nov 2012 #25

It didn't "pass the test" in 2000. nt ladjf Nov 2012 #28

And Bush remained illegimate in the eyes of huge numbers because malaise Nov 2012 #34

Legitimate, but seriously flawed. redqueen Nov 2012 #42

Election integrity concerns were valid, in view of the MSM narrative hyping a big Romney win. proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #53

I told everyone it was in the bag, and no need to vote jberryhill Nov 2012 #54

I agree with the view that caution is necessary and people should tell others malaise Nov 2012 #73

People get nervous in different ways jberryhill Nov 2012 #74

I thought the outcome became obvious during the Repub primaires. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2012 #55

I WAS wrong...I said he'd take North Carolina too. DonRedwood Nov 2012 #61

Sorry this isnt a sports event, no one needs to apologize to anyone else Marrah_G Nov 2012 #64

48% of America still voted for someone we laughed off the stage liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #65

The "flaws" need to be fixed this time, however upi402 Nov 2012 #68

The hair on fire "we could lose" types got to me too. I was sick of their fear. nt bluestate10 Nov 2012 #70

Malaise, I'll tell you really got on my nerves here... PCIntern Nov 2012 #72

Very well said malaise Nov 2012 #75

To answer you last statement... PCIntern Nov 2012 #76

LOL malaise Nov 2012 #77

I think what bugged me the most were the hand ringers and nervous nellies.. DCBob Nov 2012 #78

I will confess that I was saying it would be "close" jimlup Nov 2012 #79

"Pathological Liars Rmoney and Ryan did not fool the American electorate" Iggy Nov 2012 #80