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In the discussion thread: SPINE! President Obama Will Let ALL the Bush Tax Cuts Expire......if he doesn't get what he wants. [View all]

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Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:42 PM

cui bono (7,424 posts)

46. Why are so many DUers praising this???

This is NOT showing spine at all! Really, cheering everything Obama says as if it's great isn't going to get us any progressive policy in place. We need to let him know he can be more forceful and we'll still be behind him, cheering him for really standing up for us, and against them.

This is letting them get US to negotiate with them. All Obama needs to do is let the tax cuts expire, AS THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO A LONG TIME AGO, then propose tax cuts for the middle and working class. Let the Republicans take the heat for not wanting to do this.

He can lay it out right now and frame it exactly that way. The people would not disagree with it and it would make the tax cuts on the middle and working class "permanent" and not up for being help hostage every so often as the Bush tax cuts are.

So all he has to do is take the message to the people:

We are going to let the Bush tax cuts on the wealthy expire. Then we are going to cut taxes for the middle and working class people, as long as the Republicans vote for it.

Done. End of story. The Republicans can't get out and argue against that.

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114 replies	Author	Time	Post
SPINE! President Obama Will Let ALL the Bush Tax Cuts Expire......if he doesn't get what he wants. [View all]	kpete	Nov 2012	OP
and he should, let the lameness of the lame ducks be apparent,	elleng	Nov 2012	#1
He really does hold all the cards. The leverage of defense cuts alone is making them sweat. nt	Comrade_McKenzie	Nov 2012	#2
Yes, he's been letting them stew on that for months. They brought it on themselves.	freshwest	Nov 2012	#15
"They brought it on themselves."	dchill	Nov 2012	#54
With so many military bases in red states they should sweat n/t	Teamster Jeff	Nov 2012	#25
He holds the cards, poker table, chairs, room, and the building the room is in.	caveat_imperator	Nov 2012	#102
bad idea	jollyreaper2112	Nov 2012	#3
The best idea to deal with the situation - Good one!	byeya	Nov 2012	#6
the problem with that is that he never campaigned on that	Enrique	Nov 2012	#9
Keep in mind - the tax rates can be changed retroactively at any time during the year	bhikkhu	Nov 2012	#61
Oooh, images of drones and teabagging.	Democrats_win	Nov 2012	#10
I'm missing something. What else could he do?	Maraya1969	Nov 2012	#49
Republicans will hold them hostage until tax cuts for the rich are included.	Barack_America	Nov 2012	#75
Can House Representatives be recalled? Impeached?	kelliekat44	Nov 2012	#4
yes in less than 2 years they will be up for a vote n/t	Enrique	Nov 2012	#7
No, house members can be expelled	nadinbrzezinski	Nov 2012	#17
How is it not a serious 'Conflict of Interest' for GOP to sign the Norquist pledge?	SoCalCisco	Nov 2012	#83
Campaign finance reform would	mykpart	Nov 2012	#109
I can support that, but then that's been my position ever since the first time they were supposed	patrice	Nov 2012	#5
He could also just let the bush tax cut extension to expire.	ChisolmTrailDem	Nov 2012	#8
that's what he's saying	Enrique	Nov 2012	#11
That's how I understood it four years ago.	Tansy_Gold	Nov 2012	#13
yep	kpete	Nov 2012	#16
No, he's saying if they don't negotiate he'll let them expire.	cui bono	Nov 2012	#41
From the start--put congress on alert	Spike89	Nov 2012	#12
Get that tax part done the first day.	Sunlei	Nov 2012	#14
problem is	handmade34	Nov 2012	#18
Why don't they let ALL the tax cuts expire	robbob	Nov 2012	#19
+1 nt	Live and Learn	Nov 2012	#21
Exactly. But he won't, he doesn't do that.	cui bono	Nov 2012	#42
Unfortunately, you're right.	Chakab	Nov 2012	#45
Not true, this time. He's publicly giving space for supportive Repubs to cross the aisle.	ancianita	Nov 2012	#105
Based on the last 4 years, yes, it is true. n/t	cui bono	Nov 2012	#110
That's what I'm afraid of. n/t	Raksha	Nov 2012	#112
There is a story on HuffPo	pangaia	Nov 2012	#113
Why not just let them expire?	redqueen	Nov 2012	#20
+1	a2liberal	Nov 2012	#62
Damn right, so be it!	sebastianj333	Nov 2012	#22
Here! Here!	PoliticalBiker	Nov 2012	#32
Here we go again...	Liberal1975	Nov 2012	#23
dude, just let them all expire and renegotiate from scratch	NuttyFluffers	Nov 2012	#24
Agreed Mr.President. Lay it at their feet.	geckosfeet	Nov 2012	#26
But WHY doesn't he want all the Bush tax cuts to expire?	rocktivity	Nov 2012	#27
Because of his campaign promises about no tax increases for the middle class n/t	SickOfTheOnePct	Nov 2012	#55
Why not let these expire and pass another bill aimed at those who need the cuts?	redqueen	Nov 2012	#63
He holds the winning hand and has nothing to really loose	nolabels	Nov 2012	#28
Jumped the gun before,	Skidmore	Nov 2012	#29
Now this part right here really bothers me.	Autumn	Nov 2012	#30
There are some middle class tax cuts included in W's folly	ItsTheMediaStupid	Nov 2012	#101
In that deal by W were tax breaks for the poor also.	Autumn	Nov 2012	#103
Sprinkling holy water on the Vampire only subdues him	mick063	Nov 2012	#31
Good for him. Good for us... This has to be done.	Harriety	Nov 2012	#33
We all need to chill out!	peace13	Nov 2012	#34
Thank you. I trust the president.	appacom	Nov 2012	#114
He has "political capital", and he should SPEND it!!!	George II	Nov 2012	#35
Exactly.	davidwparker	Nov 2012	#36
There can be no loyalty to Grover Norquist!	SCVDem	Nov 2012	#37
Better yet, why not push Grover off the cliff?	meow2u3	Nov 2012	#52
Good! I'm not going to like paying more, since I'm just a working stiff, but good! nt	valerief	Nov 2012	#38
I hope he gets to let them expire	treestar	Nov 2012	#39
Yes, he needs to go to the public.	pa28	Nov 2012	#40
"Fuck you assholes, I insist that all the tax cuts expire" should be the opening position	Egalitarian Thug	Nov 2012	#43
Elections have consequences. :-)	WinkyDink	Nov 2012	#44
Why are so many DUers praising this???	cui bono	Nov 2012	#46
I agree	John2	Nov 2012	#48
"We are going to let the Bush tax cuts on the wealthy expire. "	SickOfTheOnePct	Nov 2012	#56
That's why immediately after Obama calls for tax cuts on middle class	cui bono	Nov 2012	#57
Exactly	LiberalLovinLug	Nov 2012	#67
This	John2	Nov 2012	#47
Not only that - with the rash of Repug "layoffs" he should	TBF	Nov 2012	#50
Spine would be allowing ALL the tax cuts to expire.	Tatiana	Nov 2012	#51
Me too. n/t	cui bono	Nov 2012	#53
I hope it is unwavering---time for repubs to make some concessions	Shilo	Nov 2012	#58
K&R	Amonester	Nov 2012	#59
The Senate has already passed a bill	Timbuk3	Nov 2012	#60
Mr. President...TAKE MY TAX CUT AND USE IT FOR LEVERAGE!!!	Moostache	Nov 2012	#64
here, here	kpete	Nov 2012	#65
Hold on a minute...	kjackson227	Nov 2012	#66
Yes	John2	Nov 2012	#69
I don't mind paying a little more in taxes if I know the wealthy are paying their share. Take divid	judesedit	Nov 2012	#68
Read my lips	Cresent City Kid	Nov 2012	#89
Then afterwards he can propose a retroactive middle class tax cut	Bucky	Nov 2012	#70
Here's my compromise	Berlin Expat	Nov 2012	#71
Obama will NOT cave on this.	We_Must_Organize	Nov 2012	#72
Spine? Tax cuts that were supposed to expire years ago are ONCE AGAIN on the table. nt	Bonobo	Nov 2012	#73
"Myths and legends die hard in America" - Hunter S Thompson	upi402	Nov 2012	#74
Fuck the unemployed, right?	joshcryer	Nov 2012	#79
Huh?	Bonobo	Nov 2012	#81
The extensions were done for a reason, Bonobo.	joshcryer	Nov 2012	#82
Joshcryer thinks tax cuts for the wealthy increase employment.	Bonobo	Nov 2012	#84
The extensions were a political trade for unemployment benefits.	joshcryer	Nov 2012	#85
No, Bonobo thinks you don't negotiate from a position of weakness.	Bonobo	Nov 2012	#86
Yeah, as if they would've negotiated.	joshcryer	Nov 2012	#87
I cannot take you seriously.	Bonobo	Nov 2012	#90
I advocate for neither.	joshcryer	Nov 2012	#92
Everyone remembers your advocacy for invading Libya and Syria.	Bonobo	Nov 2012	#93
"Crumbs."	joshcryer	Nov 2012	#96
You'll never convince	BlueCaliDem	Nov 2012	#107
That poster in particular doesn't even live in the US.	joshcryer	Nov 2012	#108
Funny, I recently made a post about this on my FB	redStateBlueHeart	Nov 2012	#76
And what is that supposed to mean?	jenw2	Nov 2012	#77
Sign Petition Requiring GOP Leadership to Repudiate Norquist's "No Tax Pledge"	SoCalCisco	Nov 2012	#78
EXACTLY.	Warren DeMontague	Nov 2012	#80
Good. Frankly, it didn't amount to all that much anyway in our budget.	AllyCat	Nov 2012	#88
What the hell is an "if" doing in that sentence?	woo me with science	Nov 2012	#91
Once again, we are taking things off the table well before negotiations even begin.	Bonobo	Nov 2012	#94
No problem. If those selfish bastards will have to pay, I don't mind paying more to make it happen.	judesedit	Nov 2012	#95
I am another one that would happily pay more taxes as long as the Bush tax cuts for the rich expire.	airplaneman	Nov 2012	#97
Write Congress	Milliesmom	Nov 2012	#98
Get real folks!	bubba4249	Nov 2012	#99
He should do this and make sure it is talked about daily who's fault it is, the repukes.	OverBurn	Nov 2012	#100
Good! He is keeping his promise & what the voters knew!	Pachamama	Nov 2012	#104
Let all the Bush tax cuts for the rich expire....	Gumboot	Nov 2012	#106
So now it's out in the open	DFW	Nov 2012	#111

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