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Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:13 PM

OregonBlue (4,029 posts)

12. I've been saying for some time I thought they had a "fix" in for Ohio. Something went wrong.

Kerry was there the day before and the Dems didn't seem too worried. I believe they either "unfixed" the software that communicates to the SOS office or some Dem precincts didn't report until late. If they don't report until later, the GOP operatives don't know how much they have to add to their totals to have Romney "win". I believe that is what was throwing Karl off. He was certain the fix was going to work and when it didn't, what could he do? If they actually had a recount, it would show that they lost.

Remember that Ohio instituted a program that allowed the precinct totals to be transmitted electronically. So hopefully Dems have found a way to stop any changes being made during the sending of those totals.

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Tin Foil theory about the Rove meltdown....someone Unhacked Ohio. And he realized he was fucked as.. [View all]	yourout	Nov 2012	OP
It also explains R$mneys lack of a concession speech.	DJ13	Nov 2012	#1
Remember the speech	femrap	Nov 2012	#20
A lot of us here in Ohio worked our tails off	rbrnmw	Nov 2012	#58
Ohio Preserved Democracy in Our Republic	mckara	Nov 2012	#71
+1000 nt	ProudProgressiveNow	Nov 2012	#76
Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman	Octafish	Nov 2012	#160
These two fine men...	FarPoint	Nov 2012	#204
They also took the SOS of Ohio to Court one day before the election.....	robinlynne	Nov 2012	#208
Right...two true-blue American heroes,	Raksha	Nov 2012	#221
Thank you Ohioans!!!	Manifestor_of_Light	Nov 2012	#200
Proud of Ohio, indeed!	October	Nov 2012	#118
thank you for all you did..n/t	oldhippydude	Nov 2012	#203
he, he, he... ha, ha, ha...	defacto7	Nov 2012	#79
Sweet karma indeed. '04 was heartbreaking. It took a long time to get over that.	Doremus	Nov 2012	#120
November 2004, a couple of weeks after the election, was when I found DU also.	Raksha	Nov 2012	#156
Me too. I found DU right after the 2004 election.	mary195149	Nov 2012	#207
That was my first thought - Anonymous did it!	liberalla	Nov 2012	#167
Anonymous	femrap	Nov 2012	#175
that would be a level of political competence Democrats haven't shown in at least a decade	yurbud	Nov 2012	#88
I don't think ti was the Democrats. It was Bob Fitrakis, from the green party, who took Husted, the	robinlynne	Nov 2012	#209
For a quick second on Tuesday I got the same sinking feeling in my gut...	truebrit71	Nov 2012	#2
Additionally they thought they were going to be successful in suppressing the vote	malaise	Nov 2012	#171
Me too	MA Mom	Nov 2012	#233
Hoisted by his own petard,	Mme. Defarge	Nov 2012	#3
Um, make that "Husted by his own petard" :) - n/t	coalition_unwilling	Nov 2012	#123
Hee!	Lucy Goosey	Nov 2012	#132
I stand corrected, nt	Mme. Defarge	Nov 2012	#195
I don't even think they were ever close to winning Ohio	LynneSin	Nov 2012	#4
Husted, OH's	femrap	Nov 2012	#22
It was clear from Karl's sputtering and hair on fire demeanor that something he was	Grammy23	Nov 2012	#5
+1 My thoughts exactly.	wandy	Nov 2012	#16
I think Husted and Kasich lost their nerve.	hifiguy	Nov 2012	#35
ah, now THAT seems plausible to me. Rather than someone unhacking the hacked software,	pnwest	Nov 2012	#47
There was a federal judge watching because lawsuits were filed in Ohio about the software!	robinlynne	Nov 2012	#211
I'm coming down on your side ...	1StrongBlackMan	Nov 2012	#74
It's the only thing that both explains Rove's	hifiguy	Nov 2012	#75
Those patches!	Generic Other	Nov 2012	#131
It didn't exactly fail. the Judge said he was open to investigation after the eleciton if there were	robinlynne	Nov 2012	#212
I agree ...	1StrongBlackMan	Nov 2012	#219
Boom.	hifiguy	Nov 2012	#222
yes. now how do we let 3 million+ people know this?	robinlynne	Nov 2012	#229
I think we have a winner! eom	BlueMTexpat	Nov 2012	#107
I think the IT guy chickened out	malaise	Nov 2012	#133
exactly	musette_sf	Nov 2012	#176
I agree. This IS what happened.	Frank Cannon	Nov 2012	#193
It became apparent to Husted or someone else	hifiguy	Nov 2012	#196
+	lonestarnot	Nov 2012	#194
That is my take on this.... cold feet.	FarPoint	Nov 2012	#206
BINGO	kestrel91316	Nov 2012	#50
+1 those were my thoughts as well	Ya Basta	Nov 2012	#52
I agree with you...and welcome to DU!	DonRedwood	Nov 2012	#86
Its nice to be around like minded folks.. :)	Ya Basta	Nov 2012	#130
+1000 nt	ProudProgressiveNow	Nov 2012	#77
May he drift off into obscurity.	AlbertCat	Nov 2012	#84
they would have lost anyway, even with Ohio....so maybe someone unhacked it due to the futility and	amborin	Nov 2012	#114
I think his response and demeanor "proves" he thought the fix was in.	raging_moderate	Nov 2012	#115
It reminded me of the trading floor in "Trading Places"	no_hypocrisy	Nov 2012	#217
That would be some sweet revenge	Blue Owl	Nov 2012	#6
web site for ohio did go down but	questionseverything	Nov 2012	#24
Tin foil hat firmly on	sylvanus	Nov 2012	#7
Hey there sylvanus....	femrap	Nov 2012	#23
Welcome to DU.	Vincardog	Nov 2012	#68
like the scene in "Quiz Show"	Enrique	Nov 2012	#8
Yes, exactly!	Arugula Latte	Nov 2012	#27
Husted's software patch didn't work	oswaldactedalone	Nov 2012	#9
Did it occur to anyone that the "Patch"	mattvermont	Nov 2012	#13
Excellent theory!	soleft	Nov 2012	#17
NO way....	femrap	Nov 2012	#26
these types have no loyalty	fascisthunter	Nov 2012	#90
Nor would Husted take a Federal rap for Rove in an already lost effort.	Ikonoklast	Nov 2012	#139
Hmmm!	Kber	Nov 2012	#28
anonymous...was....nt	Evasporque	Nov 2012	#34
Yes, I thought of that.	lobointexas	Nov 2012	#48
Do you - or anyone else - have a link to the video?	Whiskeytide	Nov 2012	#182
that thought occured to me too...	oldhippydude	Nov 2012	#87
That was exactly our theory on Tuesday night. n/t	dogknob	Nov 2012	#92
continuing the theory...	adamuu	Nov 2012	#180
Anonymous issues warning to Rove on Friday	Evasporque	Nov 2012	#228
The patch was bullshit conspiracy	demwing	Nov 2012	#80
Maybe something like this:	The Velveteen Ocelot	Nov 2012	#10
Makes 100% sense to me.	WinkyDink	Nov 2012	#25
Agreed, but w/one caveat ...	brett_jv	Nov 2012	#63
Sounds plausible. nt	ProudProgressiveNow	Nov 2012	#82
Works for me	Lydia Leftcoast	Nov 2012	#31
Husted has	femrap	Nov 2012	#32
I think that is exactly what happened.	hifiguy	Nov 2012	#36
I think you're right, or close, and should start writing the screenplay	Voice for Peace	Nov 2012	#43
I'm wondering if Karl is going to meet with an "accident".	GoneOffShore	Nov 2012	#61
If that's the case, Husted should watch his back	LiberalEsto	Nov 2012	#103
or maybe they just sucked	guyton	Nov 2012	#105
I absolutely loved the part when Megan Kelly got up from her seat and walked	a kennedy	Nov 2012	#11
I actually unblocked faux for the first time and watched it happen!	louis-t	Nov 2012	#18
I missed it live because I had it blocked, too!	Patiod	Nov 2012	#21
I missed it too (no TV) but the videos	beac	Nov 2012	#169
Thanks - those images never get old!	Patiod	Nov 2012	#173
the video in the first link	brettdale	Nov 2012	#230
Watched his meldown live also...	ProudProgressiveNow	Nov 2012	#85
I've watched it	femrap	Nov 2012	#33
that was a bizarre scene - she said "when we rehearsed this" as she was walking down the hall	central scrutinizer	Nov 2012	#59
Rehearsal	johnq45	Nov 2012	#78
Yeah, that was really strange	caraher	Nov 2012	#111
Yes, I saw it! Did you also see...	CoffeeCat	Nov 2012	#157
I Know. She walks down there to basically ask, "You know that extremely important decision you just	Dark n Stormy Knight	Nov 2012	#164
I've been saying for some time I thought they had a "fix" in for Ohio. Something went wrong.	OregonBlue	Nov 2012	#12
My understanding	femrap	Nov 2012	#38
Maybe the work of Anonymous should be spoken of in whispers or not at all	Voice for Peace	Nov 2012	#44
OK...I'll	femrap	Nov 2012	#49
dang, forgive me Almighty Cat.. how could I do that, I'm ashamed as all my cats are now giving me	Voice for Peace	Nov 2012	#57
And it did not matter. Because Obama won IA, CO, NV, WI, and NH.	Jennicut	Nov 2012	#14
There were Repukes saying the Willard would win Minnesota.	hifiguy	Nov 2012	#37
True....	femrap	Nov 2012	#42
+1 nt	ProudProgressiveNow	Nov 2012	#89
I just think that whatever was planned with Ohio ended up being moot--and the Ohio SoS	TwilightGardener	Nov 2012	#15
It was a staged and planned walkback of his previous optimism.	JBoy	Nov 2012	#19
This ^^	Beowulf	Nov 2012	#30
That is not what she meant	obamanut2012	Nov 2012	#154
That us what she said. I Tivoed it...	CoffeeCat	Nov 2012	#159
I agree	caraher	Nov 2012	#112
The best forensic computer scientists come from blue states	Brother Buzz	Nov 2012	#29
I do believe that Romney was convinced that they had suppressed enough of the vote to "win."	yardwork	Nov 2012	#39
Isn't there a category beyond tin foil?	Coyotl	Nov 2012	#40
Yeah. Treason.	Octafish	Nov 2012	#158
Truth is stranger than fiction	texpatriot2004	Nov 2012	#179
nope. There was a lawsuit in Ohio. A judge was watching. The Ohio election website went off the air	robinlynne	Nov 2012	#41
I remember that	femrap	Nov 2012	#45
but Husted had a judge watching him becuase Bob Fitrakis filed a lawsuit on monday morning.	robinlynne	Nov 2012	#53
That also plays in to my "chickened out" scenario.	hifiguy	Nov 2012	#62
I believe what you describe is probably exactly what happened.	robinlynne	Nov 2012	#67
+1 nt	ProudProgressiveNow	Nov 2012	#93
I jsut posted a new OP with mark Crispin's analysis and Victoria Collier's of election night in Ohio	robinlynne	Nov 2012	#119
Wow, I just had a little frisson at your malapropism. I believe you meant "Husted" and not	coalition_unwilling	Nov 2012	#128
I am reading Sy Hersh's book about	hifiguy	Nov 2012	#129
And "Segretti" means "secrets" in Italian.	Manifestor_of_Light	Nov 2012	#226
I read that	femrap	Nov 2012	#134
Do you have a link to that specific story robinlynne?	Emit	Nov 2012	#51
will find you a better link, to mark Crispin miller. give me a minute.	robinlynne	Nov 2012	#54
here you go:	robinlynne	Nov 2012	#55
Thank you so much!	Emit	Nov 2012	#60
A GREAT post, robin!	hifiguy	Nov 2012	#64
This is from Mark Crispin Miller, an Election Protection advocate. one of the best.	robinlynne	Nov 2012	#65
+1000 nt	ProudProgressiveNow	Nov 2012	#98
WOW! Thank you so much	Carolina	Nov 2012	#124
I believe that word was passed to other SOS about the machines. When I went to vote in rural	LiberalArkie	Nov 2012	#127
here you go:	leanforward	Nov 2012	#153
They projected winning results because they own the voting machines. As Bush did, to steal an	robinlynne	Nov 2012	#162
Interesting remarks about "leftist pundits"; I remember when Jerry Rubin became a stockbroker.	WinkyDink	Nov 2012	#170
In 2004, I recall the time as being around 11 p.m. I remember going downtown pissed as hell at	lonestarnot	Nov 2012	#197
Let's not forget what happened to Mike Connell.	Raksha	Nov 2012	#224
There's an article around here about how angry the federal judge was with Husted's people on Friday.	yardwork	Nov 2012	#94
When a federal judge has you under his or her	hifiguy	Nov 2012	#126
who is Kasich?	robinlynne	Nov 2012	#137
OH governor. nt	hifiguy	Nov 2012	#141
got it.	robinlynne	Nov 2012	#144
Husted is sickening. Here's the link I mentioned upthread:	yardwork	Nov 2012	#146
Wow. Federal judges do not dress down	hifiguy	Nov 2012	#149
Tagg Rmoney's company owns the OH voting machines. I guarantee you they tried to rig them.	kestrel91316	Nov 2012	#46
This is my theory "turnout was so high that the rig was inadequate"	Carni	Nov 2012	#66
Agree. Plus, the exit pollsters were watching like hawks this time.	McCamy Taylor	Nov 2012	#69
Yes!	Carni	Nov 2012	#121
That was 2008. this time it was a judge's, and public, awareness.	robinlynne	Nov 2012	#102
THIS is what I think, as well.	October	Nov 2012	#116
No, I think they were just arrogant, especially Romney.	cui bono	Nov 2012	#56
I agree, just said the same	smackd	Nov 2012	#148
Exactly! I was convinced they were about to alter the vote count . . . But the Ohio SOS abruptly	Liberal In Red State	Nov 2012	#70
That sounds very plausible	tinrobot	Nov 2012	#99
not by the AG. By a judge because of Bob Fitrakis'' lawsuit. Holder did NOTHING. election protection	robinlynne	Nov 2012	#104
Even with Ohio, Romney loses.	Ikonoklast	Nov 2012	#72
80% of American votes are counted by private corporations, just as they are in Ohio.	robinlynne	Nov 2012	#125
Oooookay, but what does that have to do with Obama winning Ohio?	Ikonoklast	Nov 2012	#140
the fix is possible all over the country right now. same as i Ohio. the same companies who "fixed' o	robinlynne	Nov 2012	#143
Not possible. They would need to 'fix' every swing state, and any state that was even close.	Ikonoklast	Nov 2012	#145
Private republican owned companies count 80% of American votes. Think about that for a minute.	robinlynne	Nov 2012	#163
They could not have "fixed" California - our SoS got rid of the bad voting machines	Merlot	Nov 2012	#155
not quite. the bad voting amchine company scans and counts the votes here in Claifornia. the same	robinlynne	Nov 2012	#161
true, but we don't have the touch screens	Merlot	Nov 2012	#198
not ours. No candidate's names are written on our ballots. just numbers.	robinlynne	Nov 2012	#201
Here's my theory	CitizenPatriot	Nov 2012	#73
Cuyahoga is a big county. I believe it always comes in last.	LisaL	Nov 2012	#215
Speaking of unhacked	donqpublic	Nov 2012	#81
If that were the case Rove would have known about it. What ever it was Rove sure looked shocked.	yourout	Nov 2012	#96
iF you recall, Rove said he was on the phone with Husted!	robinlynne	Nov 2012	#106
That is another reason I think someone undid the Hack. It's actually fricking brilliant if they did.	yourout	Nov 2012	#109
no. Read post# 97. It explains exactly what really happened. It is important for people to be aware	robinlynne	Nov 2012	#113
Husted went home early ...	dawnie51	Nov 2012	#83
He was probably escaping Rove's thugs.	tinrobot	Nov 2012	#95
we were watching	Botany	Nov 2012	#91
They got cold feet.	FamilyMan	Nov 2012	#97
exactly!!!! you get it.	robinlynne	Nov 2012	#110
They got cold feet.	leanforward	Nov 2012	#136
Everyone read post #97!!! Brilliant. n/m	TheBluestEye	Nov 2012	#166
Very good. n/t	bleever	Nov 2012	#186
Hustled realized the margin was too big	Blue4Texas	Nov 2012	#213
Bradblog reported this yesterday...and Fatarkis (sp?) will prosecute re: the patches	amborin	Nov 2012	#100
the entire state election server went down, I believe. Exactly as it happened in 2004.	robinlynne	Nov 2012	#108
What an entertaining thread....	ProudProgressiveNow	Nov 2012	#101
I wouldn't put anything past them but am so glad that this part is over	Shilo	Nov 2012	#117
It is not over...	FamilyMan	Nov 2012	#135
and that is just Ohio. Private corporations count our votes here in blue states as well. And they t	robinlynne	Nov 2012	#138
link to a thread with Mark Crispin Miller's analysis of Ohio 2012, and what happened	robinlynne	Nov 2012	#122
Inspired by that look on his face, which was so, "Remote control ... not ... working!"	DirkGently	Nov 2012	#142
Occam's Razor	smackd	Nov 2012	#147
+1	D23MIURG23	Nov 2012	#151
This is ad-hoc BS.	D23MIURG23	Nov 2012	#150
heh	RobertEarl	Nov 2012	#165
Yup, thats right.	D23MIURG23	Nov 2012	#189
I think it works without needing to be literally true	DirkGently	Nov 2012	#187
I'm specifically interested in the vote hacking accusation, because it is unsubstantiated.	D23MIURG23	Nov 2012	#191
"You mad, bro? We told you we were coming."	Zorra	Nov 2012	#152
That's crazy talk	RomneyLies	Nov 2012	#168
because that never happened before	musette_sf	Nov 2012	#177
Yes, because it never happened before	RomneyLies	Nov 2012	#178
that random leap of blatant false equivalency	musette_sf	Nov 2012	#181
And as is always the case for the conspiracy theorists	RomneyLies	Nov 2012	#183
and so your best defense	musette_sf	Nov 2012	#184
There is no false equivalency	RomneyLies	Nov 2012	#185
Your belief in our government's purity is touching.	WinkyDink	Nov 2012	#223
You belief in long discredited conspiracy theories is disturbing.	RomneyLies	Nov 2012	#225
You win the "Pristine Bullet Award." Or would you prefer the "Secret Government Syphilis Testing on	WinkyDink	Nov 2012	#227
Its only a false equivalency if the vote flipping conspiracy is resting on better evidence.	D23MIURG23	Nov 2012	#192
There's more than just "analysis" as evidence	Tsiyu	Nov 2012	#218
OK, then where is it?	D23MIURG23	Nov 2012	#220
Okay n/t	Tsiyu	Nov 2012	#231
Thats what I thought; all you have are empty assertions. n/t	D23MIURG23	Nov 2012	#232
+1	D23MIURG23	Nov 2012	#190
I think you are on to something.	Odin2005	Nov 2012	#172
Anonymous?	AllyCat	Nov 2012	#174
In the movie version...	ThoughtCriminal	Nov 2012	#188
In the video of the meltdown, he specifically mentioned Hamilton County	Samantha	Nov 2012	#199
This message was self-deleted by its author	LisaL	Nov 2012	#202
Obama actually won Hamilton county.	LisaL	Nov 2012	#205
It was said pretty often before the election whoever won Hamilton County would win Ohio	Samantha	Nov 2012	#210
Not tin foil.	elleng	Nov 2012	#214
What I find delicious is that even though we may not know exactly what happened	libdem4life	Nov 2012	#216

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