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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #119)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:03 PM

128. Yep. Madhoud does not deserve these attacks nor does Glenn Greenwald

deserve these baseless smears.

Racist, because he defended a racist in a civil suit on 1st Amendment grounds. If Greenwald is racist for doing so, then so are the lawyers for the ACLU across the nation. Apparently, many DUers believe that the 1st Amendment and the protections offered should be restricted.

Libertarian because he accurately pointed out that many issues that are important to the majority of the U.S. population were only being addressed by primary candidates associated with the Libertarian party.

Gary Johnson supporter because he had the audacity to suggest an alternative to the two party structure, opining that a Johnson/Feingold ticket might break that strangle hold. Funny that his suggestion that FIENGOLD be a partner to his fantasy never gets mentioned.

Citizens United, Glenn supported the ACLUs amicus brief in that case which was narrow in scope. Both the ACLU and Greenwald both continue to reject a legislative or constitutional remedy that bans "some" political speech but rather both support significant reform such as; public financing, limits on campaign contributions, robust disclosure rules, and stricter enforcement on coordination between candidates and PACs

Some argue that campaign finance laws can be surgically drafted to protect legitimate political speech while restricting speech that leads to undue influence by wealthy special interests. Experience over the last 40 years has taught us that money always finds an outlet, and the endless search for loopholes simply creates the next target for new regulation. It also contributes to cynicism about our political process.

Any rule that requires the government to determine what political speech is legitimate and how much political speech is appropriate is difficult to reconcile with the First Amendment. Our system of free expression is built on the premise that the people get to decide what speech they want to hear; it is not the role of the government to make that decision for them.

It is also useful to remember that the mixture of money and politics long predates Citizens United and would not disappear even if Citizens United were overruled. The 2008 presidential election, which took place before Citizens United,was the most expensive in U.S. history until that point. The super PACs that have emerged in the 2012 election cycle have been funded with a significant amount of money from individuals, not corporations, and individual spending was not even at issue in Citizens United.


http://www.aclu.org/free-speech/aclu-and-citizens-united




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