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GoneOffShore

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96. If I was in California I would be voting yes on 37

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Sun Nov 4, 2012, 03:42 PM

Nov 2012

The reason they want a no vote is so that they can conceal anything.

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If you are in California, please vote YES on 37. -Updated [View all] Fire Walk With Me Nov 2012 OP

Thank you Yes!!!!!!! Tumbulu Nov 2012 #1

Prop 37 and Corporate Lies in the Post Truth Era proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #73

This should be its own thread. eom roody Nov 2012 #74

So sadly true! Tumbulu Nov 2012 #77

Recommended. proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #79

Best and saddest expert analysis I have encountered on GMOs ever - discovered yesterday. proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #158

Done !!! - K & R !!! WillyT Nov 2012 #2

Yes I will Cali_Democrat Nov 2012 #3

Yes on 37! Webster Green Nov 2012 #4

I've been working hard on this issue Le Taz Hot Nov 2012 #5

Thank you for working on it!!!! I have been doing some phone calling Tumbulu Nov 2012 #61

I heard some of the ads are very vicious and misleading blazeKing Nov 2012 #6

They are, I've been seeing them here and for people who don't follow these sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #120

Done. n/t TDale313 Nov 2012 #7

K&R abelenkpe Nov 2012 #8

YES on Prop 37! pinboy3niner Nov 2012 #9

I'll be voting no on 37.... mike_c Nov 2012 #10

I have a scientist acquaintance whom I respect a great deal who advocates voting no for these Brickbat Nov 2012 #11

His/her paycheck probably comes from roody Nov 2012 #19

that is a vile supposition.... mike_c Nov 2012 #30

Big ag has its tentacles in government roody Nov 2012 #32

Correct - it is a fact hardly new info nt Tumbulu Nov 2012 #53

The Secretary of Agriculture works roody Nov 2012 #57

It doesn't, actually. Nice try! Brickbat Nov 2012 #71

Here's one reason why the tipping point has been exceeded. proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #80

Wanting a product labeled properly is fear and ignorance? blazeKing Nov 2012 #12

I strongly suspect a lot of people would turn down a product with a label that said: jeff47 Nov 2012 #14

The public doesn't care about Hydrogen in food, they care about Genetic manipulation of their food blazeKing Nov 2012 #22

this from someone who asks "did we not learn our lesson from Jurassic Park?" mike_c Nov 2012 #26

It is about people being honest Tumbulu Nov 2012 #35

Then you should be honest jeff47 Nov 2012 #89

Links? proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #94

I will alert if you keep that up Tumbulu Nov 2012 #98

There may be ways to do this safely Tumbulu Nov 2012 #33

Anti-GMO fanatics like to burn the test fields. Odin2005 Nov 2012 #85

In the US over 80% of the corn, canola, soy and cotton are gmo Tumbulu Nov 2012 #97

You are a perfect example of what I'm talking about jeff47 Nov 2012 #88

Yes science tests things, So please show me the tests Tumbulu Nov 2012 #99

Again, waving your hands and saying "boo" isn't science. jeff47 Nov 2012 #126

So your cited article shows that the toxin is lasting in the soil for 180 days vs 24 hrs Tumbulu Nov 2012 #129

oh for pete's sake.... mike_c Nov 2012 #137

We have no data on the effect Tumbulu Nov 2012 #153

Next point Bt toxin tests for mutations Tumbulu Nov 2012 #156

The label is not a warning. roody Nov 2012 #23

it appears to be one that you accept.... mike_c Nov 2012 #139

That is what they called it in an roody Nov 2012 #141

of course I don't want to deprive you of anything.... mike_c Nov 2012 #143

Can your side state its case for roody Nov 2012 #142

my case is simple.... mike_c Nov 2012 #144

I suggest you start a campaign to roody Nov 2012 #149

why would I have any interest in doing that...? mike_c Nov 2012 #150

If GE food is so great, the food roody Nov 2012 #24

you know, the thing that really makes me ashamed for humans... mike_c Nov 2012 #31

I already buy organic to avoid GMOs. roody Nov 2012 #34

I seriously doubt that you have ever tasted food "the way nature made it...." mike_c Nov 2012 #146

Can you state your anti-labeling case, roody Nov 2012 #147

I believe I answered that question in #144.... mike_c Nov 2012 #148

Most people appear to want the cheapest food Tumbulu Nov 2012 #37

Maybe they have something to hide. roody Nov 2012 #50

BINGO! (nt) Tumbulu Nov 2012 #51

Because people are lying about them. jeff47 Nov 2012 #90

Let's start with infant formula, ok? proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #92

Read what I just found. proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #110

Based on what mechanism? jeff47 Nov 2012 #124

I saved you the time of reading to the end of the thread so you can read this full article. proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #130

Related material here:“No studies to date have experimentally examined the causal relationship btwn" proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #132

Big Agra sells us big gulps and roody Nov 2012 #95

How, specifically, would you market them? jeff47 Nov 2012 #125

Consult a marketer. Monsanto can roody Nov 2012 #127

Or "Warning: contains dihydrogen monoxide". Odin2005 Nov 2012 #84

I don't think people find it endearing to be called stupid. Tumbulu Nov 2012 #100

The average person IS stupid. Odin2005 Nov 2012 #104

Well the British people and people from Europe that I knew asked me how Americans could be misled Tumbulu Nov 2012 #106

I repeat the fact that Prop 37 roody Nov 2012 #112

Except the proposal isn't really to add it to the indgredients list... ellisonz Nov 2012 #115

I have never seen a label in roody Nov 2012 #119

Really? ellisonz Nov 2012 #121

These companies label some foods roody Nov 2012 #122

What's the practical difference? ellisonz Nov 2012 #123

The issue is our right to know and roody Nov 2012 #128

Good points. nt Tumbulu Nov 2012 #16

I agree. demosincebirth Nov 2012 #13

Labeling is the only way to heal this rift among scientists Tumbulu Nov 2012 #15

Sorry, I really don't understand your point. Can you please explain? cui bono Nov 2012 #17

I like corn the way nature made roody Nov 2012 #20

You've never eaten corn the way nature made it. LeftyMom Nov 2012 #36

Sorry, inserting the toxin from B.T. is hardy anything any breeder Tumbulu Nov 2012 #40

Do you know how dangerous Bt is? LeftyMom Nov 2012 #66

What your child drank was a preparation of B.t. Tumbulu Nov 2012 #68

Selective breeding is not like genetic roody Nov 2012 #46

GMO corn pollinates entirely "in a natural way...." mike_c Nov 2012 #151

I am a plant breeder and if you do not know the difference Tumbulu Nov 2012 #159

if by nature, you mean Man...then yes...man has engineered corn for thousands of years... yawnmaster Nov 2012 #42

If you mean by 'engineered' selective breeding, roody Nov 2012 #48

Seeing the 2 as qualitatively different is irrational thinking. Odin2005 Nov 2012 #86

I am a breeder and there are plenty of reasons to allow the normal Tumbulu Nov 2012 #101

Because the very process of genetic modification itself creates unintended ancillary consequences. proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #155

Absolutely correct which is why an entirely new system Tumbulu Nov 2012 #157

ALL technologies and scientific discoveries have unforseen consequences. Odin2005 Nov 2012 #160

Same old lie, forget it Tumbulu Nov 2012 #49

Why not read the proposition and roody Nov 2012 #21

humans have been genetically engineering food since liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #44

Selective breeding and genetic engineering roody Nov 2012 #55

Plant breeding and genetic engineering are not anything alike Tumbulu Nov 2012 #56

Monsanto will consider you their friend roody Nov 2012 #52

Terrific summary here. proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #75

Thank you so much for posting this! Tumbulu Nov 2012 #76

As an aside, for health reasons the future of food is not the biotech pseudo-food variant. proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #93

LMAO!!! Odin2005 Nov 2012 #105

Harvard, man, both of 'em. Do not mock their training, expertise, research, or integrity. proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #107

This, too (and upon reflection not my call to say which is worse re:post #75). proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #81

I'm with you. slutticus Nov 2012 #136

Kick! Fire Walk With Me Nov 2012 #18

I'll be in front of a grocery store roody Nov 2012 #25

Exactly. The only reason for lying is because they have something to hide. nt Live and Learn Nov 2012 #29

I can't believe it's even going to be close. DaniDubois Nov 2012 #27

Beef is not yet genetically engineered, roody Nov 2012 #38

I cannot believe it either Tumbulu Nov 2012 #59

Done!! catchnrelease Nov 2012 #28

I'm not decided. I'm in favor of labeling, but I'm not convinced this prop is well written. LeftyMom Nov 2012 #39

It is between The Union of Concerned Scientists and Monsanto Tumbulu Nov 2012 #45

Monsanto have been a pestilence world-wide, suing farmers out of existence, Fire Walk With Me Nov 2012 #54

Why do you anti-GMO fanatics conflate Monsanto's shady business practices... Odin2005 Nov 2012 #87

...because they have a virtual monopoly on "the technology itself." proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #91

And the scientists within the industry need to Tumbulu Nov 2012 #102

Have you read the prop? roody Nov 2012 #58

No. I like eating food engineered to have bug poison in it. nt Comrade_McKenzie Nov 2012 #41

why not just put the chemical compounds found in the food? well...because labeling can become... yawnmaster Nov 2012 #43

If you like eating the Bt toxin Tumbulu Nov 2012 #47

A genetically modified organism roody Nov 2012 #60

It is hardly normal plant or animal breeding Tumbulu Nov 2012 #62

K&R I would if I could. Don't live there any more. n/t Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #63

Did this.. AsahinaKimi Nov 2012 #64

Thank you!!!!! Tumbulu Nov 2012 #65

Thank you! Fire Walk With Me Nov 2012 #67

I'm certainly voting yes, but I have a question: Duer 157099 Nov 2012 #69

The animals in the OP picture were fed IIRC, check the articles, 100% GMOs. Fire Walk With Me Nov 2012 #70

I'm voting yes. OnionPatch Nov 2012 #72

Thank you- my feelings exactly Tumbulu Nov 2012 #78

That mice study has been refuted. Odin2005 Nov 2012 #82

This is not true nt Tumbulu Nov 2012 #103

yes it is.... mike_c Nov 2012 #145

If you want to be up-to-date, you'll peruse the thread below and find your links debunked. proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #154

Done and done. nt raouldukelives Nov 2012 #83

If I was in California I would be voting yes on 37 GoneOffShore Nov 2012 #96

More info in LBN... Indi Guy Nov 2012 #108

Already voted and voted, YES! nt Raine Nov 2012 #109

This is just sad, not to mention a blatant conflict of interest. proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #111

Scientists from AAAS - Yes: Food Labels Would Let Consumers Make Informed Choices proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #113

Thanks for posting all thee great links Tumbulu Nov 2012 #114

I voted no on 37 Zorro Nov 2012 #116

Check out this definitive article written twelve years ago. The argument for labeling is compelling. proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #117

As is the argument for testing Tumbulu Nov 2012 #118

I need evidence of harmful GMO first JLRC Nov 2012 #131

doing what a majority of Californians want gives liberals a bad name? DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2012 #134

Democratic Legislating JLRC Nov 2012 #138

They've spent over $7 million dollars to block this measure in just one state, they've purchased an Fire Walk With Me Nov 2012 #135

See the article in post #132. proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #140

I plan on doing this tomorrow -- Hell Hath No Fury Nov 2012 #133

Whether or not GMOs in my food supply are good or bad is MY DECISION... LancetChick Nov 2012 #152

Did, although I view my vote more as a request than as an actual law. JDPriestly Nov 2012 #161

Just about everything in the grocery store will need to be labeled. Kablooie Nov 2012 #162

YES! mike_c Nov 2012 #163

46.9% voted YES on Prop 37. proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #164

I know the issue isn't going away.... mike_c Nov 2012 #165

Thanks for the heads-up. proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #168

Statement on Election Results from the California Right to Know Campaign proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #166

Link. proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #167

Samples of three fraudulent mailers sent to California voters provided at link below (will not C+P). proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #169

great job of adding these to our discussion here Tumbulu Nov 2012 #170