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26. The tiny extreme is a foil in the arguments of the huge extreme. But I know they are relatively tiny

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Sun Nov 4, 2012, 02:52 AM

Nov 2012

as I said in post 5.

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EVERYONE knows that a fertilized egg is not a person. And neither is a full term fetus a collection [View all] TPaine7 Nov 2012 OP

it's hard to talk about. nt limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #1

True, but it's necessary. TPaine7 Nov 2012 #2

There is no such thing as a full term embryo. There is no such organization that advocates for Luminous Animal Nov 2012 #10

^^^ This right here. Iggo Nov 2012 #35

Show me the part of the OP that says anything about an organization that advocates for aborting TPaine7 Nov 2012 #37

You posit "another extreme" which does not exist in reality. DirkGently Nov 2012 #57

Exactly. The OP constructs a strawman DirkGently Nov 2012 #56

I agree liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #3

But how many women juba Nov 2012 #4

I have no argument with your points. Remember, I said the American consensus is basically right. TPaine7 Nov 2012 #5

Can you please point out these people that believe life starts at birth and would have no problem Luminous Animal Nov 2012 #8

... TPaine7 Nov 2012 #11

this isn't really juba Nov 2012 #15

If this is true... TPaine7 Nov 2012 #20

one could take it as such juba Nov 2012 #23

If they say that a fetus is the moral equivalent of a foreskin until birth and first breath TPaine7 Nov 2012 #25

You have SERIOUSLY misunderstood the purpose DevonRex Nov 2012 #62

Where oh where do they these outliers on the internet advocate aborting a 9 month old fetus? Luminous Animal Nov 2012 #16

If you think it through, the logic of both cited sources says a lot about late term abortions. TPaine7 Nov 2012 #24

... TPaine7 Nov 2012 #13

Again. No evidence that Iverglas supported aborting a viable fetus. Luminous Animal Nov 2012 #17

the op probably didn't mean it to sound this way liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #21

The tiny extreme is a foil in the arguments of the huge extreme. But I know they are relatively tiny TPaine7 Nov 2012 #26

There are no extremists on the pro-choice side to take on. They exist as much as those who believe Luminous Animal Nov 2012 #18

that's a good point juba liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #6

Here's some education for you: Zoeisright Nov 2012 #39

Hmmmmm... TPaine7 Nov 2012 #45

For this to make sense, you'd have to cite the extreme that advocates for aborting a full term fetus Luminous Animal Nov 2012 #7

I kind of agree juba Nov 2012 #12

Nope. But the OP is catapulting the propaganda that there is. Luminous Animal Nov 2012 #19

You are the one catapulting propaganda, or, to use the more direct term, lies. TPaine7 Nov 2012 #38

When a woman is murdered and in the act of the crime her fetus is killed boston bean Nov 2012 #48

The word is "fetus", not "embryo". Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2012 #9

Thanks. I should have looked up my terms. I was trying to avoid the word "baby." TPaine7 Nov 2012 #14

Well, there's your problem. You need to educate yourself, earnestly, Care Acutely Nov 2012 #31

And you need to look past minutia. When people focus extreme amounts of attention on TPaine7 Nov 2012 #32

When you obtain an education, you will know these are not "tiny details" Care Acutely Nov 2012 #41

I take it you are "educated," but you can't see that my point had nothing to do with my mistake in TPaine7 Nov 2012 #44

Thanks a lot for insulting my education. Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2012 #61

I did not insult your education or you. (Unless, of course you have multiple DU identities.) TPaine7 Nov 2012 #63

You claim there are two extremes, but I've only seen one of them in the real world fishwax Nov 2012 #22

See posts 11, 13 and 20. TPaine7 Nov 2012 #27

I know you didn't say they were equivalent in strength, but the value of the comparison depends, fishwax Nov 2012 #28

I agree that saying "a fetus is not a person" is not the same as saying "a fetus is just a TPaine7 Nov 2012 #40

that comparison is made within a very specific context fishwax Nov 2012 #59

The positions are comparable in other ways, in that they are both religiious positions TPaine7 Nov 2012 #55

Regarding that thread... ecstatic Nov 2012 #30

So comparing a fetus—up until the first breath—to a foreskin TPaine7 Nov 2012 #33

A full term fetus is not an embryo ecstatic Nov 2012 #29

Sure. Women are running around pregnant for 8 mos & then aborting for the hell of it. All the time. Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #34

Yes, the OP talks about women running around for 8 months and then aborting the fetus for fun. TPaine7 Nov 2012 #43

That presumption, or one like it, is the only way I can imagine anyone concocting the goofy example Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #47

So essentially, TPaine7 Nov 2012 #50

So essentially, you can't think of a response to what I just said, so you need to put words in my Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #51

Ok, you're boring me now. TPaine7 Nov 2012 #53

"Needs restriction" means "the situation as it currently is has some problem". Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #54

your scenario is utter bullshit cali Nov 2012 #36

Abstract thought is not everyone's strong suit. n/t TPaine7 Nov 2012 #42

I think one of the frauds the pro life side perpetuates mmonk Nov 2012 #46

I agree that late term abortions are rare, as you say, and tend to be medically indicated. n/t TPaine7 Nov 2012 #49

Then what prompted your OP? Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #52

Thoughtful post treestar Nov 2012 #58

Nobody aborts a third trimester fetus unless the mother's life or health is seriously in danger Hippo_Tron Nov 2012 #60