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Strelnikov_

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24. Per the Exergy concept of energy planning
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 11:20 AM
Nov 2012

Use of limited natural gas to motivate four wheel livings rooms is a waste at 10% efficiency.

The highest use of limited natural gas resources is as home/commercial heating (90%+ efficiency) during the transition to ground source heat-pumps (at 300% efficiency-they are an energy source wrt heating).

EV is the only viable path forward for personal transport at 70% efficiency.

Of course, planning involves regulation. So, in the end, money will continue to be thrown into the box canyon that is fracking, deep offshore, arctic, etc. until the day there is realization that these are marginal energy resources that were only viable due to mining of the remaining high-quality non-renewable energy resources.

By then, it will be too late, since it takes energy to to create the infrastructure to harvest renewable energy.

"It is an ugly sign of things to come if we don't get off of gas." BumRushDaShow Nov 2012 #1
Until natural gas runs out Renew Deal Nov 2012 #2
Oh I understand BumRushDaShow Nov 2012 #13
I just watched GASLAND... littlemissmartypants Nov 2012 #4
Yes, this has been out for some time BumRushDaShow Nov 2012 #15
Per the Exergy concept of energy planning Strelnikov_ Nov 2012 #24
Imagine how much better it'd be if everyone had a Prius and had filled up at 1st storm warning. nt Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #3
At this point, only a little bit better. Renew Deal Nov 2012 #8
I normally get 2 weeks on a full tank, and that includes 30 miles a day of driving - NutmegYankee Nov 2012 #12
How much gas does a generator hold? Renew Deal Nov 2012 #17
It depends on the size. I have a 5500 Watt and it holds 6.6 gallons. NutmegYankee Nov 2012 #18
If folks had high mileage cars, it'd be much better than it is, with SUVs, sports cars, Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #20
The reality is that you and I aren't getting much different in weeks of supply. NutmegYankee Nov 2012 #23
Next week is when most would need gas. Certainly shorter lines than those with SUVs, Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #19
I have solar panels to recharge a battery Mojorabbit Nov 2012 #31
Generators SmileyRose Nov 2012 #21
Thanks for the update from the ground, so to speak. Robb Nov 2012 #5
You're right Renew Deal Nov 2012 #9
I know you weren't last minute but I wonder about those who are or were... CTyankee Nov 2012 #6
People are trying to lead their lives Renew Deal Nov 2012 #10
I get scared that I'll be stranded so I take as many precautions as possible. You never know CTyankee Nov 2012 #25
To be fair, we have had a lot of recent experience with power outages. NutmegYankee Nov 2012 #14
Alfred was bad for the northern part of the state and Irene really hit the coast bad. Jennicut Nov 2012 #32
I lost power in all three. NutmegYankee Nov 2012 #35
I sympathize. LuvNewcastle Nov 2012 #7
I agree Renew Deal Nov 2012 #11
Many people do not realize how bad AFTER the storm can be. dixiegrrrrl Nov 2012 #26
I ran into the same situation after the 4-27-11 storms that destroyed much of the SE Whovian Nov 2012 #16
So sorry, I can't imagine. I did hear that military tanks of gas were on the way. faithfulcitizen Nov 2012 #22
It's called a disaster for a reason. progressivebydesign Nov 2012 #27
It's a gas shortage from a minor hurricane Renew Deal Nov 2012 #28
You were not hit by a hurricane. It was a Nor'easter. NutmegYankee Nov 2012 #29
it's not going to turn into Mad Max CreekDog Nov 2012 #30
Oh RagAss Nov 2012 #33
I wonder how much of the stress is on a feedback loop - hedgehog Nov 2012 #34
They are closing because they ran out of gas. stevenleser Nov 2012 #36
Mostly because they ran out of gas Renew Deal Nov 2012 #38
Ah, I remember those days.... Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2012 #37
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