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HiPointDem

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80. there are no real al qaida facilitators, apparently. because every 'terror plot' uncovered so far
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 10:00 AM
Oct 2012

has been 'facilitated' by government provocateurs.

How was he trapped nycbiscuit Oct 2012 #1
These "stings" usually have a common theme: Th1onein Oct 2012 #3
"...you see the pattern emerging. It's always the same." Poll_Blind Oct 2012 #4
"Spit and vinegar." Robb Oct 2012 #6
And if it had been a real 'al qaida facilitator'? n/t jackbenimble Oct 2012 #12
there are no real al qaida facilitators, apparently. because every 'terror plot' uncovered so far HiPointDem Oct 2012 #80
Non-answer. jackbenimble Oct 2012 #107
but it's never yet happened. all the terror plots have been facilitated by the fbi or police. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #111
Why do they do any of the things they do? jackbenimble Oct 2012 #115
and yet, it's never happened. no doubt because the fbi has done such a good job of rounding HiPointDem Oct 2012 #116
Oh Please jackbenimble Oct 2012 #118
Big difference between being allowed to show intent and being induced. I don't know this kid, nor do Egalitarian Thug Oct 2012 #119
Not induced and not a kid. jackbenimble Oct 2012 #121
Do you believe in actual conspiracies? Do you doubt that J. Edgar Hoover used the resources of the Egalitarian Thug Oct 2012 #124
Oh name calling, wow. jackbenimble Oct 2012 #142
I'm sorry, did I give you the impression that your opinion is relevant? Egalitarian Thug Oct 2012 #150
Ha ha ha ha jackbenimble Oct 2012 #153
you're the only person who said anything about 'racism'. by way of avoiding the point, which is -- HiPointDem Oct 2012 #122
Enlighten me then jackbenimble Oct 2012 #135
no, i can't. as you're the cheerleader, it's your job to enlighten *me*. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #138
I'm not the one who is making elusive posts. jackbenimble Oct 2012 #143
lol. you can't enlighten me because i'm right. no terror plots unearthed except those where HiPointDem Oct 2012 #144
So is that what it is you want? jackbenimble Oct 2012 #146
lol. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #149
tell me a domestic 'al qaida' 'terror plot' in the us where *al qaida* has recruited young men. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #123
Oh I see jackbenimble Oct 2012 #136
oh i see -- you can't. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #137
Can't what? jackbenimble Oct 2012 #145
Well, except the one that involved flying planes UnrepentantLiberal Oct 2012 #139
11 years ago. so we passed laws that lets us lock up illiterate black men, students & anarchists. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #141
You just have to be smart enough to not plan to UnrepentantLiberal Oct 2012 #147
nope. people can blow stuff up without talking to the fbi & lettng them pick the target and supply HiPointDem Oct 2012 #148
You have no point other the U.S. government is always evil UnrepentantLiberal Oct 2012 #151
lol. perhaps a course in logic? nope, my point is very clear. every 'terror plot' since 911, HiPointDem Oct 2012 #152
I mean who hasn't, (in a fit of "youthful indiscretion"!) put together a Nitrogen-fuel bomb Romulox Oct 2012 #60
Way to cherry pick the article. Didn't mention what actually happened, did you? GaYellowDawg Oct 2012 #63
+ Infinity! Odin2005 Oct 2012 #105
Oh for fuck's sake. You know zip, zero, nada, zilch and you make cali Oct 2012 #125
Um, no. Fuck that guy. Robb Oct 2012 #2
No, story I heard is he came from Bangladesh for this purpose. Honeycombe8 Oct 2012 #5
I submit to you... Th1onein Oct 2012 #7
I submit to you that what you read on an Internet board from an onenote Oct 2012 #17
So, MSN is anonymous and uninformed? Th1onein Oct 2012 #22
One minute you're saying you can't believe the news. The next you're citing it as the basis for your onenote Oct 2012 #34
The FACTS support my opinion. Th1onein Oct 2012 #44
Well, only the FACTS you choose to accept. If you look at ALL the FACTS... cleanhippie Oct 2012 #85
Once again, believing everything the mainstream media throws at you is not good. Th1onein Oct 2012 #99
No one is doing that, but at the same time you disparage the MSM, you also use them as a source. cleanhippie Oct 2012 #109
Wow, you got that right. His hypocrisy is plainly evident. cleanhippie Oct 2012 #83
I think that, as the story unfolds, we might hear who "facilitated" who. Th1onein Oct 2012 #8
And the part of the story where he's taped trying to blow up a building is excusable? Seriously? bettyellen Oct 2012 #10
you mean the part where he's taped talking to the gov't provocateur talking about blowing up a HiPointDem Oct 2012 #81
facilitated by nycbiscuit Oct 2012 #11
YOU GOT IT! Th1onein Oct 2012 #14
look... nycbiscuit Oct 2012 #18
No, YOU look..... Th1onein Oct 2012 #21
".......going about trying to FIND someone from a terrorist organization to help them......." WillowTree Oct 2012 #28
Do you know what the word "SUPPOSEDLY" means? Th1onein Oct 2012 #30
Actually, I do. WillowTree Oct 2012 #32
I'm not surprised when someone believes everything the mainstream media dishes out to them. Th1onein Oct 2012 #33
The majority of these things turn into mistrials, acquittals and just plain wasts of our taxpayers glacierbay Oct 2012 #58
Do your own homework. Th1onein Oct 2012 #73
You're the one who made the claim glacierbay Oct 2012 #79
I've already posted several links to stories about this. Th1onein Oct 2012 #100
Wait, what? You distrust the mainstream media, yet use the mainstream media as your source? cleanhippie Oct 2012 #87
I'm so sorry you have problems with research. Th1onein Oct 2012 #101
The only problem I have is whith your apparent hypocrisy, and nothing more. cleanhippie Oct 2012 #110
That's very amusing.... Th1onein Oct 2012 #113
I'm just trying to figure out what you feel is a valid source. Make up your mind. cleanhippie Oct 2012 #114
No you're not. YOU'RE the one who asked for me to source this, in the first place. Th1onein Oct 2012 #117
No, you told someone ELSE that. Do try and keep your conversations straight. cleanhippie Oct 2012 #133
I'm just now finding out how absolutely boring some people can be. Th1onein Oct 2012 #155
Thank goodness they are intercepted by agents. That's how they're caught. Duh. Honeycombe8 Oct 2012 #13
Yeah, he came here to MISSOURI for that purpose! Haha! Th1onein Oct 2012 #16
At least as many as in Oklahoma City. WillowTree Oct 2012 #23
Oklahoma City involved true domestic terrorists..... Th1onein Oct 2012 #24
The point apparently went several feet over your head. WillowTree Oct 2012 #29
Then why just say that? Explain how it went "several feet over" my head. Th1onein Oct 2012 #31
Yep. Sailed right the fuck over with feet to spare. Mt DevonRex Oct 2012 #36
"feet"? I think there was orbital potential there. PavePusher Oct 2012 #39
Yeah there are a lot of targets in glacierbay Oct 2012 #49
"Kids"? PavePusher Oct 2012 #38
I think it is telling that you keep referring to a 21 year old as a "kid", and you wild specualation cleanhippie Oct 2012 #86
That's not entrapment either. NYC Liberal Oct 2012 #54
How about this: ieoeja Oct 2012 #72
Here are the conditions for an entrapment defense: NYC Liberal Oct 2012 #74
"there must be persuasion to commit a crime by the entrapping party". indeed. & we will know HiPointDem Oct 2012 #88
It's tough. According to the story, the person "sought out" al-Qaida contacts and had already NYC Liberal Oct 2012 #90
yes, 'according to the story'. and the 'story' is based on the testimony of the gov't provocateurs. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #91
Well, we'll find out when it goes to trial, won't we. glacierbay Oct 2012 #94
probably not. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #95
Probably not what? glacierbay Oct 2012 #96
we probably won't find out. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #97
The only reason we wouldn't find out glacierbay Oct 2012 #98
whatever you say HiPointDem Oct 2012 #102
I'm really not trying to be an asshole here glacierbay Oct 2012 #104
Sure thing. Let them be. Archae Oct 2012 #9
Actually, I'm loving all these stings and undercover stuff the FBI is doing quinnox Oct 2012 #15
So - are you saying they should have let him do it? Generic Brad Oct 2012 #19
Did you even READ the article, Generic Brad? Because it doesn't look like you did. eom Th1onein Oct 2012 #27
I DID Generic Brad Oct 2012 #46
Oh, NOW, you read it, after I asked you, right? Th1onein Oct 2012 #47
I still disagree with you Generic Brad Oct 2012 #75
And so do the Repugs about Obama saying "Act of terror." Go figure. Th1onein Oct 2012 #93
You questioned my ability to comprehend what I was reading Generic Brad Oct 2012 #154
Actually, it was something else entirely. Th1onein Oct 2012 #156
Nope. I read the article Generic Brad Oct 2012 #160
Fortunately, it is not up to you to decide. Th1onein Oct 2012 #163
So you would rather he carry out the bombing on his own. oneshooter Oct 2012 #92
Yes, trapped. Because driving that van to a police station would have been impossible. Motown_Johnny Oct 2012 #20
Hell, if he wanted to be a terrorist, he could have joined the CIA and guided drones. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #25
right. because that's the only form of terrorism in the wide world. cali Oct 2012 #45
intelligence services generally are probably one of the biggest forms. certainly is a lot of HiPointDem Oct 2012 #89
biggest isn't only. cali Oct 2012 #127
biggest is biggest. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #134
Yeah, I'm sure he loves America.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2012 #26
So this guy tries to blow up a building holding 400 billion in foreign gold reserves name not needed Oct 2012 #35
Oh bull fucking shit. Nt DevonRex Oct 2012 #37
That "young kid" is a twenty-one year old man. Ikonoklast Oct 2012 #40
He allegedly came to America to blow things up Democat Oct 2012 #41
He detonated by cell phone what he thought was a truck of DevonRex Oct 2012 #42
Who financed his travel and his education? jsr Oct 2012 #43
His parents. The Midway Rebel Oct 2012 #50
Where is the kid in the story. Looks like it is in reference to an adult. nt. NCTraveler Oct 2012 #48
I disagree, I have no problem with the FBI providing fake bombs to upstart terrorists DrewFlorida Oct 2012 #51
Absolutely no sympathy here for the so called kid. gordianot Oct 2012 #52
" He allegedly sought out al-Qaida contacts to help him" madinmaryland Oct 2012 #53
He wasn't a young "kid" he is a young man Marrah_G Oct 2012 #55
How the FUCK can you sympathize with this little piece of shit?!? GaYellowDawg Oct 2012 #56
yup quinnox Oct 2012 #59
Yep GaYellowDawg Oct 2012 #66
I think republican statements about how we should act in regards to the rest of the world bluestate10 Oct 2012 #78
sometimes I think those stories are here to "trap" liberals into agreeing.. progressivebydesign Oct 2012 #158
... slutticus Oct 2012 #57
Thread reads like parody. nt Romulox Oct 2012 #61
I doubt the kid just fell into this situation. hrmjustin Oct 2012 #62
You'd be surprised Th1onein Oct 2012 #126
Yah riiiight. The kid was just doing his homework, and a pop-up appeared on his screen.. progressivebydesign Oct 2012 #159
This American Life had an excellent segment... MinM Oct 2012 #64
The big difference here is glacierbay Oct 2012 #67
Gee, I wonder why such a thing would never happen to me? Throd Oct 2012 #65
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing nobodyspecial Oct 2012 #82
this is disgusting. Just to bolster the neocon's claim that terrorism is a huge threat to America librechik Oct 2012 #68
So he wanted to blow stuff up gollygee Oct 2012 #69
Horseshit leftynyc Oct 2012 #70
He's got very little defense. nt msanthrope Oct 2012 #71
He is such a doe eyed saint. He only wanted to kill our President and/or blow up the bluestate10 Oct 2012 #76
I'm sorry... Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #77
Any "kid" who is DUMB ENOUGH to fall for something like that needs to be incarcerated slackmaster Oct 2012 #84
And yet you are surrounded by them every single day you leave your house. Egalitarian Thug Oct 2012 #120
Falling for a sting operation like that requires a special kind of stupidity slackmaster Oct 2012 #131
Come now people, it could happen to any of us.. EX500rider Oct 2012 #103
So you would be OK with it if he had acquired real bomb materials and detonated his van. npk Oct 2012 #106
+1 n/t jackbenimble Oct 2012 #108
Your quote directly contradicts your title. NashvilleLefty Oct 2012 #112
Let's See If I Understand This-- Iggy Oct 2012 #128
It wouldn't surprise me, MadHound Oct 2012 #129
Bullshit glacierbay Oct 2012 #132
Your 'young kid' is 21 years old. Lasher Oct 2012 #130
I have a completely different take on this WhaTHellsgoingonhere Oct 2012 #140
Your version makes more sense. It holds water. The thread we're in right now is silly. nt Electric Monk Oct 2012 #161
Oh brother. I know plenty of young people who would not go along with this. progressivebydesign Oct 2012 #157
If someone offered you explosives to commit terrorist acts would you take them up on it? 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #162
He's finally dead, but OBL won. Just look at this thread, the irrational fear that Egalitarian Thug Oct 2012 #164
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