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Volaris

(10,270 posts)
72. Make DAMN sure though the younger one doesn't move to a spiritual place
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 08:59 PM
Oct 2012

where he feels that his masculinity needs to be wrongly SUBORDINATE to the women in his life that he loves...that can be REALLY BAD. There are things that a mother should NEVER do to their son(s), and one of them is to use them as the emotional outlet that rightly belongs to an Adult Male Partner-Equal. It can REALLY fuck up a boy's psyche to feel that he is an emotional or Psychic Husband to his own mother. I read once (maybe in the book Iron John) that after the adult initiation ritual had been completed, Cherokee? boys NEVER again looked their mother in the eyes. Any request to the mother was passed through a family member. This IS an extreme example, but supposedly, it made Cherokee(?) adult Men absolutely fearless across all aspects of their lives, and not just in battle.
Tell the older one he needs to start putting together a big-picture understanding of how The Universe works and interacts with itself, it goes a long way to Objectivity, and THEN he can begin to understand his place IN that greater Universe. The first thing boys got told in the Old Rituals, was how everything came to be, their relationship to The God's, (their own divine spark made manifest in their minds), and what then was expected of them. Again, OBJECTIVITY is key. It's a damn hard thing to feed your offspring if you feel un-necessarily bad for the Wild Game you have to keep killing. There DOES have to be a certain recognition of the cruelty of it all, but that's why almost EVERY primitive culture told the dead deer "Thank you, for the gift you have given me."

Humility
Humbleness before the power of the Universe (and your OWN power to alter that Universe to your own ends)
Gratitude for your own life, short as it is
and a deep, but objective LOVE for All Things, even the ones YOU have no particular use for or interest in.
These are the spiritual Underpinnings of a well-developed Male. These are others (the ability to understand what to fight for, for example, and the skill to actually undertake those Battles, and be good at fighting them).

(Jungian Archetype psychology helps as well, as a way to understand the differing "parts" of your own head. Also, have him take the free internet version of the BMTI test. For a long while, I thought (I) was the one who was kinda messed up in the head, I couldn't understand why things that everyone else just seemed to know or "get", I simply didn't or didn't have any need for...now I know it's because of my particular personality type, and that has helped A LOT. I don't feel bad anymore about the things I'm not naturally good at, I see them as things that just need more practice before I master lol.)
Not that it matters, but where are you geographically?

Binders full of FAIL! tk2kewl Oct 2012 #1
FUCK yeah! FirstLight Oct 2012 #2
I may have an answer for you on the Generational thing.... Volaris Oct 2012 #40
well said! FirstLight Oct 2012 #49
You're RIGHT about the connection between Gen-X males and their divorced fathers... Volaris Oct 2012 #65
I am totally right there with you on this FirstLight Oct 2012 #68
Make DAMN sure though the younger one doesn't move to a spiritual place Volaris Oct 2012 #72
AND THEN-- annabanana Oct 2012 #3
And the woman's husband couldn't cook? Couldn't get away from work? Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2012 #4
Yeap, all the time he worked at Bain he saw no qualified women? Tells a lot about Bain... uponit7771 Oct 2012 #5
Women don't need equal pay, we just need more time to cook! blue neen Oct 2012 #6
What nauseated me the most was his attempt to bully Crowley by catbyte Oct 2012 #7
His body language all night was entitled bully. dhendry Oct 2012 #54
Mitt needs a Dumpster. mlevans Oct 2012 #8
Incredible post Matariki Oct 2012 #9
He is so incredibly out of touch. Quantess Oct 2012 #10
I just realized why Willard gave that answer. surfwith Oct 2012 #11
Welcome to DU, surfwith! CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2012 #24
PERFECT Post 2theleft Oct 2012 #12
BRAVO!!!!! redqueen Oct 2012 #13
I am a woman. So is my wife. n/t Plaid Adder Oct 2012 #22
... redqueen Oct 2012 #25
It's all right, redqueen. A lot of people misidentify me as male based on my writing style. Plaid Adder Oct 2012 #27
She is a woman. She also mentions in the OP that she and her wife are BOTH mothers. nt tblue37 Oct 2012 #33
dinner hibbing Oct 2012 #14
Just let the girls go home early JenniferJuniper Oct 2012 #15
Wow!! That's a blast from the past! FailureToCommunicate Oct 2012 #60
I'm a man. It was always me with the "flex time" to cook dinner. hunter Oct 2012 #16
He is a MORMON! If you want to know his views on women teewrex Oct 2012 #17
PA...you are on a SERIOUS ROLL!! Huge K&R! bullwinkle428 Oct 2012 #18
He never addressed the pay issue!!! DryHump Oct 2012 #19
He Stopped Just Short Of Saying............. ChoppinBroccoli Oct 2012 #20
yeah heaven05 Oct 2012 #21
Fantastic post! As always, you illuminate the question perfectly. CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2012 #23
K&R abelenkpe Oct 2012 #26
Hold on, let me just call up the factory NiteOwll Oct 2012 #28
. n/t porphyrian Oct 2012 #29
Bravo! JawJaw Oct 2012 #30
More like the 1950's. Before BC access and glowing Oct 2012 #31
I'm a dad and I make dinner for my wife and kids every evening Aldo Leopold Oct 2012 #32
Just to be a nerd, SCVDem Oct 2012 #34
Thanks. It's been a long time since TNG and I couldn't remember. n/t Plaid Adder Oct 2012 #35
Post removed Post removed Oct 2012 #42
If Mitt weren't so tall I would swear he was Quark's long-lost other brother. Plaid Adder Oct 2012 #45
A public apology. Moosepoop Oct 2012 #47
This picture contains a virus! Moosepoop Oct 2012 #46
Picture is from Funny or Die, not site posted. hunter Oct 2012 #48
That one is fine! Moosepoop Oct 2012 #50
And the hilarious punchline is this: Romney is pandering (and lying) here. cemaphonic Oct 2012 #36
You give Mitt too much credit. He's straight out of the 1950s. He's LibDemAlways Oct 2012 #37
The part about "cooking dinner" is certainly the one that pisses me the most. Mass Oct 2012 #38
+1000 lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #39
I got married in 1980 SheilaT Oct 2012 #41
Even His "Binders" Comment Was A Lie DallasNE Oct 2012 #43
lost mittens is such a loathsome thing. nt Javaman Oct 2012 #44
love this rant! southmost Oct 2012 #51
I would never be where Mitt is financially because I would have stopped and spent more time with my Dustlawyer Oct 2012 #52
Brilliantly and forcefully stated. Well done, Plaid Adder! dhendry Oct 2012 #53
newbie here but ABSOLUTELY HAD to say... dangerdoll Oct 2012 #55
Welcome to DU. surrealAmerican Oct 2012 #57
thanks! dangerdoll Oct 2012 #58
I have a minor quibble with #2 Major Nikon Oct 2012 #56
Great righteous rant! K&R nt femrap Oct 2012 #59
PA, I love you... KatyaR Oct 2012 #61
I'm really glad you are posting again. n/t Change has come Oct 2012 #62
omg there is a planet Ferenginar!!!! I thought you made that up. robinlynne Oct 2012 #63
great thread! BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2012 #64
Most insightful response of the whole debate M---Girl Oct 2012 #66
I raised four kids as a single working mother. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. Arkansas Granny Oct 2012 #67
Two minutes of fail, one post of genius WoodyD Oct 2012 #69
Did you see the look on the woman's face that asked the question? Kalidurga Oct 2012 #70
This sums it up nicely... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2012 #71
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