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In the discussion thread: For the 500,000,000th time... Obama did not lose that debate. [View all]

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 08:10 PM

64. If more undecideds started leaning toward Romney than Obama...

...then, for all practical purposes, Obama lost the debate. Even if Romney, in effect, won by cheating. (Which Obama should have called him on. Heck, even I believed a couple of the lies, because Obama didn't come back and say they weren't true!)

Maybe you're scoring the way a judge would on a High School debate team. In that case, maybe you have an argument that Romney didn't win. But in this case, the task was not to "win on points" but to persuade more of the persuadable. By that measure, based on how the polls shifted, I think it's fair to say that Obama lost.

To me, he looked like a schoolboy being scolded up there. If I knew nothing more that what I saw at the debate, I'd probably vote for Romney! Luckily, I know better.

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111 replies	Author	Time	Post
For the 500,000,000th time... Obama did not lose that debate. [View all]	Zalatix	Oct 2012	OP
i do not know about a cheat sheet, but... continual lie doesnt win the debate.	seabeyond	Oct 2012	#1
Duers should make a list of anyone pushing that absurd meme that Obama lost- just ridiculous	RepublicansRZombies	Oct 2012	#2
What should we do with the list?	pintobean	Oct 2012	#18
So you can ignore everyone.	randome	Oct 2012	#32
2 months	pintobean	Oct 2012	#41
I am not talking about the common folk followers	RepublicansRZombies	Oct 2012	#109
This message was self-deleted by its author	Hissyspit	Oct 2012	#19
And we could post that list under a bridge somewhere.	cthulu2016	Oct 2012	#23
Put my name at the top, please. Next to Obama's & everyone else here on Earth.	DirkGently	Oct 2012	#37
I have an idea what Hissyspit wanted to say.	randome	Oct 2012	#39
ah, lists. how democratic. Here is my take. the impression is more important than	roguevalley	Oct 2012	#55
Too much deception	PATRICK	Oct 2012	#87
the whining is indicative of their belief that Paulie lost. What is maddening about the	roguevalley	Oct 2012	#97
you can put me on your list then	quinnox	Oct 2012	#71
Oh, by all means a list	NoPasaran	Oct 2012	#94
points to you!	grasswire	Oct 2012	#108
LOL, and do what with the list? Ban them? Make fun of them?	Logical	Oct 2012	#105
the list was to know who NOT to trust in the future, which 'leaders'	RepublicansRZombies	Oct 2012	#110
I agree, Pres. Obama did not lose.	ywcachieve	Oct 2012	#3
Agreed.	CakeGrrl	Oct 2012	#4
+100	flamingdem	Oct 2012	#5
if the overwhelming percentage of voters say you lost, then you lost	scheming daemons	Oct 2012	#6
That is the long and the short of it. Case closed.	randome	Oct 2012	#11
if the media fakes what the voters really think to manufacture consent	RepublicansRZombies	Oct 2012	#12
Pretty much this.	Curtland1015	Oct 2012	#13
If the overwhelming percentage of voters say the world is flat,	avaistheone1	Oct 2012	#14
Yes, if the shape of the Earth was being determined by an election	cthulu2016	Oct 2012	#20
Bingo!!!	Zalatix	Oct 2012	#75
If the media tells us the overwhelming percentage of voters say the world is flat	RepublicansRZombies	Oct 2012	#111
Can we be exactly sure the polls are only about the debate?	treestar	Oct 2012	#17
Agree that the pliable voters only real decision occurs on Nov 6. nt.	andym	Oct 2012	#98
Bullshit. The overwhelming majority of people believed Iraq was tied to the 9/11 attacks	Cali_Democrat	Oct 2012	#31
It's not ABOUT what's true.	Curtland1015	Oct 2012	#35
And how many ...	1StrongBlackMan	Oct 2012	#34
who is doing the polling...? I'm not sure I trust polling anymore.	fascisthunter	Oct 2012	#47
Agreed...	Lightbulb_on	Oct 2012	#86
sadly true	Cosmocat	Oct 2012	#88
Romney won the debate by lying	Enrique	Oct 2012	#7
Eclectablog guy agrees..	Cha	Oct 2012	#8
Because he didn't win it, either.	randome	Oct 2012	#9
yes obama did`t lose the debate	madrchsod	Oct 2012	#10
"did't" ????? nt	Honeycombe8	Oct 2012	#58
I don't remember in 2008 the debates being such a big deal	treestar	Oct 2012	#15
You LOSE a debate when the other side benefits more from the F'ing debate	cthulu2016	Oct 2012	#16
You mean you LOSE a debate when the crowd changes the rules of engagement	Zalatix	Oct 2012	#78
Who the hell cares about the bullshit you're listing? This election is about WINNING	jsmirman	Oct 2012	#89
Ah, the ever-immature "MMA Ape Beatdown" style of debate	Zalatix	Oct 2012	#92
Why are you playing at nonsense? Figure out the messages that win and WIN	jsmirman	Oct 2012	#93
I get it, you stand by troglodyte rules of debating. No need to repeat yourself.	Zalatix	Oct 2012	#95
In the President's own words, why he lost.	Agnosticsherbet	Oct 2012	#21
So you trust someone that bad at debating to analyze who won a debate?	cthulu2016	Oct 2012	#22
Hey, at least Obama knows what the truth is.	Agnosticsherbet	Oct 2012	#25
Ha! Ha! Good one!	randome	Oct 2012	#29
Thank you.	BumRushDaShow	Oct 2012	#24
Damn right. Sometimes I think people are deaf. Demoralization leads to lose.Obama won.	graham4anything	Oct 2012	#26
Denial leads to loss, too. Obama freely admits he lost the debate. What's the problem with that?	randome	Oct 2012	#27
Romney said he was going to use zingers. did he? (no he didn't.)	graham4anything	Oct 2012	#33
This message was self-deleted by its author	orpupilofnature57	Oct 2012	#28
yes he did	Skittles	Oct 2012	#30
Oh for Pete's sake. Yes, he did. Stop telling people what to think & say.	DirkGently	Oct 2012	#36
Well said.	randome	Oct 2012	#38
agreed! The OP is missing the point entirely, it's not about Mitt's lies!	RiverStone	Oct 2012	#54
Obama is human. He had a bad night. The numbers tell the story. I'm still voting for him. Biden won	Honeycombe8	Oct 2012	#63
i think the cheat sheet part has been debunked,	barbtries	Oct 2012	#40
He lost the debate by not calling them lies, just looks at the polls if you need proof	krawhitham	Oct 2012	#42
That's what I keep sayin'. Obama acted calm, cool, collected! Rmoney acted like a cracked-out bully!	Dont call me Shirley	Oct 2012	#43
My two cents:	LoisB	Oct 2012	#44
no doubt God is more pleased with Barack Obama's performance than with Mitt Romney's - but most of	Douglas Carpenter	Oct 2012	#45
Republicans know how to push back and defend their own.	TwilightGardener	Oct 2012	#46
O needs to be aggressive... people here like ass kickings	fascisthunter	Oct 2012	#48
Does it MATTER?	demwing	Oct 2012	#49
I think Obama won,	oldbanjo	Oct 2012	#50
Once upon a time a couple of priests, who had vowed to never	jtuck004	Oct 2012	#51
No, he didn't...	handsofthedevil	Oct 2012	#52
I wish Obama didn't say he didn't do well	babsbunny	Oct 2012	#53
He had to!	handsofthedevil	Oct 2012	#57
If indeed a handler...	sendero	Oct 2012	#84
thank you nt	OneBlueDotBama	Oct 2012	#56
Its a loss when you don't correct the BS spewed by the other side.	iandhr	Oct 2012	#59
The truth is your friend. If the purpose of a debate...	Honeycombe8	Oct 2012	#60
Meh. Denial doesn't alter reality. That said, the debate hardly makes the election. (nt)	Posteritatis	Oct 2012	#61
Accept it, he lost	Carnage251	Oct 2012	#62
If more undecideds started leaning toward Romney than Obama...	thesquanderer	Oct 2012	#64
When you don't COUNTER those lies and nonsense, you sure as fuck DO lose it.	MotherPetrie	Oct 2012	#65
It doesn't matter he won or lost- there was a measureable effect afterward...	JackN415	Oct 2012	#66
He lost by any objective standard IMHO	quinnox	Oct 2012	#67
You, my dear quinnox, are not Belieber.	Bucky	Oct 2012	#104
They got the effect they wanted and	ProSense	Oct 2012	#68
ABSOLUTELY correct, he didn't lose. nt	Raine	Oct 2012	#69
To 500,000,000th vanity thread on this same subject	Doctor_J	Oct 2012	#70
I agree. The LIAR lost!	SalviaBlue	Oct 2012	#72
it's the deniers keeping it alive...	lame54	Oct 2012	#73
Once upon a time we had a media that would have ripped a liar like Romney to shreds....	OldDem2012	Oct 2012	#74
Post of the day. The media really dropped the ball.	Zalatix	Oct 2012	#76
when no one in the media defended Dan Rather, it was the end.	graham4anything	Oct 2012	#80
And Obama had never seen television before?	cthulu2016	Oct 2012	#81
Do you not understand what's happening to the media?....	OldDem2012	Oct 2012	#99
So your suggestion is that we just don't win any elections	cthulu2016	Oct 2012	#100
R#40 & K for, thanx!1 nt/	UTUSN	Oct 2012	#77
Agree, and pisses me off to keep hearing the 'meme' even from our friends.	elleng	Oct 2012	#79
If you ace the SAT, but are caught with a cheat sheet containing all the answers,	Nye Bevan	Oct 2012	#82
Is this sub-debate really still going on?	Vietnameravet	Oct 2012	#83
Obama didn't DEBATE. He just made statements.	budkin	Oct 2012	#85
Obama didn't lose the debate...	meaculpa2011	Oct 2012	#90
You may be right! He let Romney	B Calm	Oct 2012	#91
Because it was NOT a "debate".	bvar22	Oct 2012	#96
Rec # 50..	Permanut	Oct 2012	#101
I agree with you!	sweetladybug	Oct 2012	#102
You sound like those Republican senators saying "It's not about sex"	Bucky	Oct 2012	#103
Dr. Dean said Obama didn't lose the debate.	grasswire	Oct 2012	#106
rMoney "won" that debate like Lance Armstrong "won" the Tour de France	backscatter712	Oct 2012	#107

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