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149. Chicken and egg
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:12 AM
Oct 2012

Like why would it matter if one pays attention to who is elected when the election would already be rigged for such election.

Not saying that is the case, it was just a cynical mathematical calculation that i was thinking out loud.

Sheesh! This should be national news. nt 2 Much Tribulation Oct 2012 #1
+1 hrmjustin Oct 2012 #77
Unbelievable that it's not. go west young man Oct 2012 #120
I don't think the owners of the media like to talk about such things. hrmjustin Oct 2012 #121
It should have been national news in 2004 too... joycejnr Oct 2012 #103
Republicans care about every conceivable security breech except for e-voting Tom Rinaldo Oct 2012 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2012 #3
Holder wouldn't give a crap unless the machines were caught smoking pot. FiveGoodMen Oct 2012 #27
Couldn't have... thc420 Oct 2012 #51
Holder is one of the BIGGEST disappointments of the Obama Administration. bvar22 Oct 2012 #147
He was "supposed to be" investigating election fraud in Florida, but citizens found it instead. robinlynne Oct 2012 #52
Isn't this a crime??? tblue Oct 2012 #139
yes it is. robinlynne Oct 2012 #140
When are going to just let sixth graders count the vote as a civic duty. hootinholler Oct 2012 #4
That sounds like a wonderful idea! BlueCaliDem Oct 2012 #55
Newt should agree SCVDem Oct 2012 #62
~lol CrispyQ Oct 2012 #81
With ONE difference . . . they're not working BlueCaliDem Oct 2012 #105
Plus it teaches them they can't really trust 'grown-ups' to always do the right thing. hootinholler Oct 2012 #90
This is important. Spread this around. 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #5
Video... YvonneCa Oct 2012 #17
I want to know the stats Liberal Gramma Oct 2012 #6
k&r. k&r. K&R! robinlynne Oct 2012 #7
This Too Scary!!! ChiciB1 Oct 2012 #8
I would send this to TRM show! n/t arthritisR_US Oct 2012 #9
That is not a software error. That's an intentional program! Baitball Blogger Oct 2012 #10
prefuckingcisely pnwest Oct 2012 #28
Absolutely! LiberalFighter Oct 2012 #47
Yes. Computers don't do anything they are not programmed to do. KeepItReal Oct 2012 #85
As an accomplished programmer (retired), I absolutely agree. TahitiNut Oct 2012 #91
Thank you. Scootaloo Oct 2012 #102
! Barack_America Oct 2012 #143
Thanks. I could write an essay on the idiocy of claiming such behavior is a "bug." TahitiNut Oct 2012 #151
Please do. You can start by disassembling the vendor "explanations" at this link Land Shark Oct 2012 #158
Not necessary: From the article:"In other words, it wasn't a bug, it was a feature." TahitiNut Oct 2012 #180
Thanks, tho you still deserve an OP treatment of your points here nt Land Shark Oct 2012 #188
I second the request to please explain this in an OP. Barack_America Oct 2012 #172
If it could happen once, and if it could happen here ... lpbk2713 Oct 2012 #11
How do you think Bush won in 2000??? dixiegrrrrl Oct 2012 #59
Once again, EVERY POS and ATM in the country produces a paper receipt... HopeHoops Oct 2012 #12
Amen! But who is listening? NoMoreWarNow Oct 2012 #33
Nobody. HopeHoops Oct 2012 #38
While a paper "receipt" is better, it's still not enough, IMHO. TahitiNut Oct 2012 #92
Well, if the voter receipt matches the rolling paper in the machine (through a window),... HopeHoops Oct 2012 #94
Paper ballots that can be hand counted. RC Oct 2012 #95
The sad thing is that they COULD be accurate AND trustworthy. They just aren't. HopeHoops Oct 2012 #137
Hand counted paper ballots, in and of themselves, ARE trustworthy, but more is... Land Shark Oct 2012 #138
That lack of evidence is by design. HopeHoops Oct 2012 #141
True (with regard to computerized vote counting, which is inherently secret vote counting) Land Shark Oct 2012 #142
That's something else I don't understand. RC Oct 2012 #168
we DO NOT need to know the winner by 10pm EST or so. That being said... Land Shark Oct 2012 #169
Well, I posted this elsewhere, but I'll post it again. I think we need at least a 2-week window. HopeHoops Oct 2012 #175
Then why laundry_queen Oct 2012 #181
DUers need to read this and get it up high on the greatest page. This is what will determine the re robinlynne Oct 2012 #13
K and R titaniumsalute Oct 2012 #21
this BS happened when bush won & the bastards still are going to do this again ! april Oct 2012 #14
And that's what happens when they get away with it! rock Oct 2012 #79
Every four years, this becomes an issue. dotymed Oct 2012 #131
Exactly. This is how Bush was crowned in 2000 and 2004. ywcachieve Oct 2012 #93
This concerns me greatly. Delphinus Oct 2012 #15
Kick! brindis_desala Oct 2012 #16
This is why exit polling is no longer used... Bandit Oct 2012 #18
Scary indeed! K&R classof56 Oct 2012 #19
Kick & recommended. William769 Oct 2012 #20
Democrats have probably been winning for YEARS. Matariki Oct 2012 #22
I suspect this greatly nt flamingdem Oct 2012 #44
The only Democrats who win now OnyxCollie Oct 2012 #88
DECADES! Ohio was solid BLUE before punch card voting made it too easy to fix elections Coyotl Oct 2012 #132
double K&R defacto7 Oct 2012 #23
It would be interesting to see all the states refusing the Fed test. FedUpWithIt All Oct 2012 #24
How is that even possible? LiberalLovinLug Oct 2012 #56
It was implemented as a "voluntary" program. FedUpWithIt All Oct 2012 #75
Because the Constitution says so in Article II jberryhill Oct 2012 #126
Actually, feds have de facto control of state elections because... Land Shark Oct 2012 #130
Yes, there is also the voting rights act jberryhill Oct 2012 #179
K & R AzDar Oct 2012 #25
And so it begins. lalalu Oct 2012 #26
I go to the Brad Blog LittleGirl Oct 2012 #29
Exactly right. Paper. Brad has fabulous election fraud info on his site. valerief Oct 2012 #43
Indeed he should be on the news every night LittleGirl Oct 2012 #69
Oops, maybe I was thinking of Current but it should have been RT. nt valerief Oct 2012 #74
paper is not enough. garybeck Oct 2012 #154
Audits must be ANNOUNCED b/c they're legal requirements, so fraudsters can always work around Land Shark Oct 2012 #157
what are your thoughts on this? garybeck Oct 2012 #161
I encourage you, YET no audit provides REASSURANCE of election accuracy Land Shark Oct 2012 #166
I agree, but... garybeck Oct 2012 #170
There are no "good" audits, but some are better than others Land Shark Oct 2012 #171
Paper, meaning JUST paper. No machines. nt valerief Oct 2012 #167
Brad Blog is an incredible resource marions ghost Oct 2012 #72
Kicking. Very important story that needs as much visability as possible. Whovian Oct 2012 #30
Kick! JimDandy Oct 2012 #31
This happens every voting season. Stevepol Oct 2012 #32
in theory, local election boards are responsible and should want to make sure they are counting the NoMoreWarNow Oct 2012 #36
this was only caught because there were paper ballots NoMoreWarNow Oct 2012 #34
I witnessed a DRE flipping votes in Florida in 2004... Sancho Oct 2012 #35
how can people not care? NoMoreWarNow Oct 2012 #39
Short of armed revolution? Doubt it. nt valerief Oct 2012 #42
We've complained, some have gone to court... Sancho Oct 2012 #127
The reality is that if we stop one form of election fraud, the GOP will always invent another one. factsarenotfair Oct 2012 #37
I'm sure he is not NoMoreWarNow Oct 2012 #40
Like we haven't known this since HAVA started!!!! nt valerief Oct 2012 #41
What if anything can we do? flamingdem Oct 2012 #46
Short of armed revolution, I don't know. nt valerief Oct 2012 #50
I have some gardening tools .. nt flamingdem Oct 2012 #54
Congress has plenty of hoes. valerief Oct 2012 #57
o m g flamingdem Oct 2012 #82
find your state's election integrity organization and get active. garybeck Oct 2012 #162
Most likely this is the tip of the iceberg--has happened unknown # of times! hue Oct 2012 #45
At some point the game will end. You can see it coming. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2012 #48
When I use Excel or a database LiberalFighter Oct 2012 #49
Likewise. It is really easy to self-check programming in Excel. Coyotl Oct 2012 #133
OK, preparing to move to Canada. elleng Oct 2012 #53
Voter suppression has begun up here too! MAD Dave Oct 2012 #116
Will keep my eyes on things up north, MAD, elleng Oct 2012 #118
VA uses these machines.....my ATM prints a picture of my check..... Gin Oct 2012 #58
Posted at FaceBook. elleng Oct 2012 #60
May I add that the federal program which oversees the federal cerification is staffed robinlynne Oct 2012 #61
Full support? SCVDem Oct 2012 #68
more support than I have ever seen for a US president since John Kennedy. How's that? robinlynne Oct 2012 #119
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Oct 2012 #63
I don't know... DirtyDawg Oct 2012 #64
K&R louslobbs Oct 2012 #65
"software error" Canuckistanian Oct 2012 #66
I'm sure it's really an "error" too. tarheelsunc Oct 2012 #67
The Solution To This Problem Is So Simple Z_California Oct 2012 #70
Of course this is only meaningful if you can see who you voted for. JackRiddler Oct 2012 #113
If I and I alone... Z_California Oct 2012 #150
Thousands, literally, see their vote flipped, but they seem reassured b/c thinking they "Caught it" Land Shark Oct 2012 #155
yikes MerryBlooms Oct 2012 #71
OK it's time to DO SOMETHING about electronic voting machines Blue Owl Oct 2012 #73
K & R nt Guy Whitey Corngood Oct 2012 #76
K&R idwiyo Oct 2012 #78
Dominion Voting Systems suffragette Oct 2012 #80
Dominion? flamingdem Oct 2012 #83
Way suffragette Oct 2012 #182
Is it a hint? flamingdem Oct 2012 #184
Dominion = Diebold + Sequoia? Mc Mike Oct 2012 #125
and don't forget, for a few months in there, Diebold/Premier was owned by ESS. garybeck Oct 2012 #164
Great points Gary suffragette Oct 2012 #183
You mean the Urosevich brothers are sharing info, or in-fighting? nt. Mc Mike Oct 2012 #186
This is why Florida should never be considered in Dem electoral projections. aquart Oct 2012 #84
A top computer guy who does stuff for the Defense Department said: DFW Oct 2012 #86
Very true quote! 2 Much Tribulation Oct 2012 #89
Are you saying that voting machines have a cellular radio in them? Flatulo Oct 2012 #107
I have no idea what the tech side is to that DFW Oct 2012 #109
Yes many of these computerized voting machines have wireless ports Land Shark Oct 2012 #110
I know how election fraud will finally be addressed and corrected... Kurovski Oct 2012 #112
k&r nt steve2470 Oct 2012 #87
I wondered how Reek Scott got elected- secondvariety Oct 2012 #96
Reek Scott!! Good one! Zalatix Oct 2012 #108
What foreigners will think of America... JackN415 Oct 2012 #97
That Americans invented voting machines to fix overseas elections, of course Coyotl Oct 2012 #134
Oh... theKed Oct 2012 #135
Flori-fuckin-duh Daniel537 Oct 2012 #98
Hindsight will show Jakes Progress Oct 2012 #99
This IS the ticking time bomb. Also 19 States now NOT doing EXIT POLLS??? WTF? 99th_Monkey Oct 2012 #100
Kicking, and encouraging dissemination EVERYWHERE! elleng Oct 2012 #101
K&R!!! KansDem Oct 2012 #104
There's also an absentee ballot fiasco in Palm Beach County. hay rick Oct 2012 #106
Those 60,000 votes from Palm Beach county FlaGranny Oct 2012 #129
Kick please glinda Oct 2012 #111
ok, here's your kick. ;) Land Shark Oct 2012 #114
... glinda Oct 2012 #123
These kind of reports make me sick to my stomach and causes sleep problems. Auntie Bush Oct 2012 #115
Is Obama behind the story? RobertEarl Oct 2012 #117
The courts need to step in and tell Florida to clean their mess up davidpdx Oct 2012 #122
These are nationwide RobertEarl Oct 2012 #124
Can anyone find a way Le Taz Hot Oct 2012 #128
K&R Jamastiene Oct 2012 #136
Way past time to make voting machines as secure as ATM's...it's a joke passing as democracy. nt mother earth Oct 2012 #144
ATMs produce cash that if you do NOT hand count it, you're a fool Land Shark Oct 2012 #146
There has to be an audit trail, but certainly the paper ballots are best, the polls are tools, mother earth Oct 2012 #178
if you want to change it, pay attention to your Secretary of State elections. NuttyFluffers Oct 2012 #145
Chicken and egg nolabels Oct 2012 #149
not really.... garybeck Oct 2012 #153
Sec of State Debra Bowen was key to getting CA back from play. NuttyFluffers Oct 2012 #187
yes I acknowledge Bowen for sure, but let me ask you.... garybeck Oct 2012 #190
Problem is, SOS Bowen exposed many (not all) problems, AND KEPT THE COMPUTERIZED SYSTEMS Land Shark Oct 2012 #193
We have paper ballots Le Taz Hot Oct 2012 #194
that's not enough. garybeck Oct 2012 #195
DREs are only for disabled voters who explicitly choose to vote that way NuttyFluffers Oct 2012 #197
what kind of machines are they using there? garybeck Oct 2012 #148
Sequoia (now Dominion) optical scan systems, 2% audits (officials sure all errors NOT caught) Land Shark Oct 2012 #152
thanks. so let me get this straight.... Diebold, ESS, Premier, Dominion..... all the same....? garybeck Oct 2012 #159
After a flurry of recent mergers/divestitures, Dominion dominates as follows Land Shark Oct 2012 #163
during the brief period that ESS owned Diebold/Permier, don't you think they would have garybeck Oct 2012 #196
This could so easily be solved, and the trust of the voters restored Not Me Oct 2012 #156
Except this suggestion wouldn't, in fact, work Land Shark Oct 2012 #160
K&R n/t myrna minx Oct 2012 #165
Thanks to all for keeping this thread kicked. nt Land Shark Oct 2012 #173
I could have detected this problem with statistics BEFORE the election was certified. fchoquette Oct 2012 #174
+1 for extra analysis Land Shark Oct 2012 #177
Software error my round butt. PDJane Oct 2012 #176
Bring cameras, cell phones tessar Oct 2012 #185
Interesting how a few states are trying to make polling places camera-free Land Shark Oct 2012 #189
Cameras and cell phones cant take a picture of the vote counting when it takes place garybeck Oct 2012 #191
+1 Land Shark Oct 2012 #192
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