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Mon Oct 8, 2012, 05:10 PM

HopeHoops (47,675 posts)

35. Impossible. If Monsanto was involved, they wouldn't be able to reproduce so you'd have to buy more..

... each year. Not that we need more. They're EVERYWHERE! "BEWARE THE WERERABBIT!" (Wallace and Grommit reference).

Actually, the rabbits are much more of a hazard to the beans, peas, and beets. Despite popular belief, they leave the carrot tops alone. Curiously, they also rarely bother the lettuce. But the fuckers LOVE spinach (even though it's not good for them - too high in iron). They also like nibbling the tips off of the onions and shallots, but that doesn't seem to have an impact on the productivity of the beds.

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They are genetically engineering the American Chestnut... [View all]	AnotherDreamWeaver	Oct 2012	OP
Aren't all modern crops the result of Genetic engineering of one sort or another?	el_bryanto	Oct 2012	#1
cross breeding naturally is not the same as gene splicing/insertion nt	msongs	Oct 2012	#2
What about grafting?	el_bryanto	Oct 2012	#3
Grafting would effect no genetic change.	Brother Buzz	Oct 2012	#20
Grafting is done to select a tree for it's production, and put it on a sturdy rootstock	AnotherDreamWeaver	Oct 2012	#44
You're confounding a number of things, and using the naturalistic fallacy.	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#47
I was answering a question, what is "confounding" about that answer?	AnotherDreamWeaver	Oct 2012	#54
You weren't answering anything.	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#63
I have found you are the one on attack,	AnotherDreamWeaver	Oct 2012	#66
I have grafted many plants, but that has nothing to do with the discussion.	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#71
Maybe you ate GM material, and it explains your bizarre behavior?	AnotherDreamWeaver	Oct 2012	#78
I would be proud to have you put me on ignore.	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#82
maize, corn, has been subjected to thousands of years of forced breeding, cross-breeding, and more	ChairmanAgnostic	Oct 2012	#55
Animal breeding can be considered "forced" but more often is refered to as "selected"	AnotherDreamWeaver	Oct 2012	#61
It would be great if they are successful	cpwm17	Oct 2012	#4
Indeed. It would be awesome.	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#5
A much more lengthy article on this from Nature.	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#6
That is a better article than the one I posted, but	AnotherDreamWeaver	Oct 2012	#53
I understand your beliefs.	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#62
"Other researchers are trying to attack the blight with viruses" is the third approach. nt	bananas	Oct 2012	#94
OK, I had heard that there was some biological suppressor in Europe	AnotherDreamWeaver	Oct 2012	#95
That was VERY cool	DiverDave	Oct 2012	#77
That should be 'Selective Breeding', not Genetic Engineering.	formercia	Oct 2012	#7
One of the other ways	Confusious	Oct 2012	#86
Under a spreading chestnut tree, the village smithy stands.	MineralMan	Oct 2012	#8
Selective breeding are the ones being released at this time, not GM...	yawnmaster	Oct 2012	#9
You could never breed wheat, peppers or grapes with Chestnuts.	AnotherDreamWeaver	Oct 2012	#67
If it can bring back a tree that was virtually wiped out	rox63	Oct 2012	#10
Cross-breeding is an ancient practice. What worries me is laboratory GMOs.	HopeHoops	Oct 2012	#11
What does something being "an ancient practice" have to do with anything?	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#12
Cross-breeding is natural, and occurs naturally as well. Genetic modification is NOT natural.	HopeHoops	Oct 2012	#17
Your just expanding on the fallacy of the ancients by offering up the natural fallacy.	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#22
Evidence? Ever grow a sweet pepper near a habanero plant? And what fallacy?	HopeHoops	Oct 2012	#28
I told you what fallacy.	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#31
Wait a minute. Are you insinuating that lab-inserted genes are equivalent to cross-pollination?	HopeHoops	Oct 2012	#36
No.	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#40
Lateral gene transfer occurs in nature.	Odin2005	Oct 2012	#80
Indeed, but I don't think he/she cares.	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#85
Well, I'll admit there are pros and cons to both, but artificial is playing with fire.	HopeHoops	Oct 2012	#89
Hybrid plants do not destroy insects that are pollinators	AnotherDreamWeaver	Oct 2012	#18
So, you think debunked preliminary studies are extremely meaningful.	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#24
I've wondered if it has contributed to colony die offs. I think lawn poisons have.	HopeHoops	Oct 2012	#34
We've always had plenty of flowers and veggies, less grass every year, as have our neighbors.	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#37
Anecdotes, perhaps not, but when all of the birds and bees (no pun intended) are in YOUR yard...	HopeHoops	Oct 2012	#41
I'm confused. You agree, but then you don't.	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#43
I wasn't either when I was a kid. Nobody poisoned the lawns then. I like your environment.	HopeHoops	Oct 2012	#46
It is difficult in many parts of the country.	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#51
ROFLMAO! Yeah, I guess you could get sick of it that way. We rarely mow either.	HopeHoops	Oct 2012	#56
I have a 20-year-old push mower. It's a good work out, but...	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#64
Our 20+ year old push mower is only about 16" wide. It would take forever.	HopeHoops	Oct 2012	#88
Actually, they frequently do contribute to pollinator deaths	NickB79	Oct 2012	#91
Very little about agriculture is natural	4th law of robotics	Oct 2012	#23
I have enough trouble getting a row of spinach to grow without the rabbits mowing it down.	HopeHoops	Oct 2012	#29
Well those rabbits were modified by monsanto	4th law of robotics	Oct 2012	#33
Impossible. If Monsanto was involved, they wouldn't be able to reproduce so you'd have to buy more..	HopeHoops	Oct 2012	#35
I for one welcome our new American Chestnut overlords..	Fumesucker	Oct 2012	#13
The American Chestnut was the Redwood of the East Coast, in that it was the overstory tree.	AnotherDreamWeaver	Oct 2012	#19
That seems like a very extreme viewpoint.	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#38
Yeah! Look what happened when they tried that with apple trees!	Ikonoklast	Oct 2012	#42
Then you don't support their return.	NutmegYankee	Oct 2012	#49
I support the return, I have two orchards of American and Hybrid trees	AnotherDreamWeaver	Oct 2012	#57
In the grand scheme of things agriculture v no agriculture	4th law of robotics	Oct 2012	#58
+1	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#73
It's cross breeding, which occurs in nature and has been used by humanity for 1000's of years.	NutmegYankee	Oct 2012	#59
In post #6, HuckleB posts a link, a paragraph is posted in Message text:	AnotherDreamWeaver	Oct 2012	#68
I still fail to see the problem. nt	NutmegYankee	Oct 2012	#69
I don't think there is a problem.	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#72
the first link in a "Dangers of Genetically Modified Plants" search brought this:	AnotherDreamWeaver	Oct 2012	#75
Good grief.	NutmegYankee	Oct 2012	#76
I have no problem with cross-breeding plants and trees	AnotherDreamWeaver	Oct 2012	#79
How would it ruin it as a food source?	NutmegYankee	Oct 2012	#83
And yet you can't explain why you have a problem with other procedures.	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#84
Sorry to break it to you, but you've got some mixed life forms inside you	NickB79	Oct 2012	#92
X-D	Nine	Oct 2012	#30
this is called hybridizing ....	Botany	Oct 2012	#14
Nobody wants to eat 'heirloom corn'..	X_Digger	Oct 2012	#15
It's easy to create fear and confusion.	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#16
There are several posts about this trouble with Genetically Modified crops	AnotherDreamWeaver	Oct 2012	#21
I'm aware of those posts.	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#26
If you read the article it says these are hybrids	4th law of robotics	Oct 2012	#25
And what if the trees currently growing were GMO?	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#27
It wouldn't	4th law of robotics	Oct 2012	#32
Indeed.	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#39
That is a very poor article, but check the Nature article in post #6	AnotherDreamWeaver	Oct 2012	#60
Ah, but you didn't know that, until I posted an article with more than a couple paragraphs.	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#74
Rachel Carson’s dream of a science-based agriculture ...	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#45
There is no other option. The original tree is nearly exinct from the blight.	NutmegYankee	Oct 2012	#48
I've been following chestnut research for a decade or more	Nevernose	Oct 2012	#50
Crossbreeding is not the same as Genetic Engineering!	Lydia Leftcoast	Oct 2012	#52
Thank you,	AnotherDreamWeaver	Oct 2012	#70
Get SyFy on the phone! I give you Mega-Chestnut vs. Gatoriod!	FSogol	Oct 2012	#65
Weird that. Some are being grown up the street from me and it is massively low tech.	Warren Stupidity	Oct 2012	#81
Any news on the American elm?	mitchtv	Oct 2012	#87
On GMO's: http://gmoawareness.org/gmo-facts/	AnotherDreamWeaver	Oct 2012	#90
I'm always amazed by how few people know of lateral gene transfer	NickB79	Oct 2012	#93
Link to Institute for Responsible Technoloty	AnotherDreamWeaver	Oct 2012	#96

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