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el_bryanto

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3. What about grafting?
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 03:47 PM
Oct 2012

Again, not a botanist - but where they took branches from a producing tree and jam them onto a non-producing tree to get it to be more healthy and produce more fruit - is that acceptable?

Bryant

Aren't all modern crops the result of Genetic engineering of one sort or another? el_bryanto Oct 2012 #1
cross breeding naturally is not the same as gene splicing/insertion nt msongs Oct 2012 #2
What about grafting? el_bryanto Oct 2012 #3
Grafting would effect no genetic change. Brother Buzz Oct 2012 #20
Grafting is done to select a tree for it's production, and put it on a sturdy rootstock AnotherDreamWeaver Oct 2012 #44
You're confounding a number of things, and using the naturalistic fallacy. HuckleB Oct 2012 #47
I was answering a question, what is "confounding" about that answer? AnotherDreamWeaver Oct 2012 #54
You weren't answering anything. HuckleB Oct 2012 #63
I have found you are the one on attack, AnotherDreamWeaver Oct 2012 #66
I have grafted many plants, but that has nothing to do with the discussion. HuckleB Oct 2012 #71
Maybe you ate GM material, and it explains your bizarre behavior? AnotherDreamWeaver Oct 2012 #78
I would be proud to have you put me on ignore. HuckleB Oct 2012 #82
maize, corn, has been subjected to thousands of years of forced breeding, cross-breeding, and more ChairmanAgnostic Oct 2012 #55
Animal breeding can be considered "forced" but more often is refered to as "selected" AnotherDreamWeaver Oct 2012 #61
It would be great if they are successful cpwm17 Oct 2012 #4
Indeed. It would be awesome. HuckleB Oct 2012 #5
A much more lengthy article on this from Nature. HuckleB Oct 2012 #6
That is a better article than the one I posted, but AnotherDreamWeaver Oct 2012 #53
I understand your beliefs. HuckleB Oct 2012 #62
"Other researchers are trying to attack the blight with viruses" is the third approach. nt bananas Oct 2012 #94
OK, I had heard that there was some biological suppressor in Europe AnotherDreamWeaver Oct 2012 #95
That was VERY cool DiverDave Oct 2012 #77
That should be 'Selective Breeding', not Genetic Engineering. formercia Oct 2012 #7
One of the other ways Confusious Oct 2012 #86
Under a spreading chestnut tree, the village smithy stands. MineralMan Oct 2012 #8
Selective breeding are the ones being released at this time, not GM... yawnmaster Oct 2012 #9
You could never breed wheat, peppers or grapes with Chestnuts. AnotherDreamWeaver Oct 2012 #67
If it can bring back a tree that was virtually wiped out rox63 Oct 2012 #10
Cross-breeding is an ancient practice. What worries me is laboratory GMOs. HopeHoops Oct 2012 #11
What does something being "an ancient practice" have to do with anything? HuckleB Oct 2012 #12
Cross-breeding is natural, and occurs naturally as well. Genetic modification is NOT natural. HopeHoops Oct 2012 #17
Your just expanding on the fallacy of the ancients by offering up the natural fallacy. HuckleB Oct 2012 #22
Evidence? Ever grow a sweet pepper near a habanero plant? And what fallacy? HopeHoops Oct 2012 #28
I told you what fallacy. HuckleB Oct 2012 #31
Wait a minute. Are you insinuating that lab-inserted genes are equivalent to cross-pollination? HopeHoops Oct 2012 #36
No. HuckleB Oct 2012 #40
Lateral gene transfer occurs in nature. Odin2005 Oct 2012 #80
Indeed, but I don't think he/she cares. HuckleB Oct 2012 #85
Well, I'll admit there are pros and cons to both, but artificial is playing with fire. HopeHoops Oct 2012 #89
Hybrid plants do not destroy insects that are pollinators AnotherDreamWeaver Oct 2012 #18
So, you think debunked preliminary studies are extremely meaningful. HuckleB Oct 2012 #24
I've wondered if it has contributed to colony die offs. I think lawn poisons have. HopeHoops Oct 2012 #34
We've always had plenty of flowers and veggies, less grass every year, as have our neighbors. HuckleB Oct 2012 #37
Anecdotes, perhaps not, but when all of the birds and bees (no pun intended) are in YOUR yard... HopeHoops Oct 2012 #41
I'm confused. You agree, but then you don't. HuckleB Oct 2012 #43
I wasn't either when I was a kid. Nobody poisoned the lawns then. I like your environment. HopeHoops Oct 2012 #46
It is difficult in many parts of the country. HuckleB Oct 2012 #51
ROFLMAO! Yeah, I guess you could get sick of it that way. We rarely mow either. HopeHoops Oct 2012 #56
I have a 20-year-old push mower. It's a good work out, but... HuckleB Oct 2012 #64
Our 20+ year old push mower is only about 16" wide. It would take forever. HopeHoops Oct 2012 #88
Actually, they frequently do contribute to pollinator deaths NickB79 Oct 2012 #91
Very little about agriculture is natural 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #23
I have enough trouble getting a row of spinach to grow without the rabbits mowing it down. HopeHoops Oct 2012 #29
Well those rabbits were modified by monsanto 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #33
Impossible. If Monsanto was involved, they wouldn't be able to reproduce so you'd have to buy more.. HopeHoops Oct 2012 #35
I for one welcome our new American Chestnut overlords.. Fumesucker Oct 2012 #13
The American Chestnut was the Redwood of the East Coast, in that it was the overstory tree. AnotherDreamWeaver Oct 2012 #19
That seems like a very extreme viewpoint. HuckleB Oct 2012 #38
Yeah! Look what happened when they tried that with apple trees! Ikonoklast Oct 2012 #42
Then you don't support their return. NutmegYankee Oct 2012 #49
I support the return, I have two orchards of American and Hybrid trees AnotherDreamWeaver Oct 2012 #57
In the grand scheme of things agriculture v no agriculture 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #58
+1 HuckleB Oct 2012 #73
It's cross breeding, which occurs in nature and has been used by humanity for 1000's of years. NutmegYankee Oct 2012 #59
In post #6, HuckleB posts a link, a paragraph is posted in Message text: AnotherDreamWeaver Oct 2012 #68
I still fail to see the problem. nt NutmegYankee Oct 2012 #69
I don't think there is a problem. HuckleB Oct 2012 #72
the first link in a "Dangers of Genetically Modified Plants" search brought this: AnotherDreamWeaver Oct 2012 #75
Good grief. NutmegYankee Oct 2012 #76
I have no problem with cross-breeding plants and trees AnotherDreamWeaver Oct 2012 #79
How would it ruin it as a food source? NutmegYankee Oct 2012 #83
And yet you can't explain why you have a problem with other procedures. HuckleB Oct 2012 #84
Sorry to break it to you, but you've got some mixed life forms inside you NickB79 Oct 2012 #92
X-D Nine Oct 2012 #30
this is called hybridizing .... Botany Oct 2012 #14
Nobody wants to eat 'heirloom corn'.. X_Digger Oct 2012 #15
It's easy to create fear and confusion. HuckleB Oct 2012 #16
There are several posts about this trouble with Genetically Modified crops AnotherDreamWeaver Oct 2012 #21
I'm aware of those posts. HuckleB Oct 2012 #26
If you read the article it says these are hybrids 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #25
And what if the trees currently growing were GMO? HuckleB Oct 2012 #27
It wouldn't 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #32
Indeed. HuckleB Oct 2012 #39
That is a very poor article, but check the Nature article in post #6 AnotherDreamWeaver Oct 2012 #60
Ah, but you didn't know that, until I posted an article with more than a couple paragraphs. HuckleB Oct 2012 #74
Rachel Carson’s dream of a science-based agriculture ... HuckleB Oct 2012 #45
There is no other option. The original tree is nearly exinct from the blight. NutmegYankee Oct 2012 #48
I've been following chestnut research for a decade or more Nevernose Oct 2012 #50
Crossbreeding is not the same as Genetic Engineering! Lydia Leftcoast Oct 2012 #52
Thank you, AnotherDreamWeaver Oct 2012 #70
Get SyFy on the phone! I give you Mega-Chestnut vs. Gatoriod! FSogol Oct 2012 #65
Weird that. Some are being grown up the street from me and it is massively low tech. Warren Stupidity Oct 2012 #81
Any news on the American elm? mitchtv Oct 2012 #87
On GMO's: http://gmoawareness.org/gmo-facts/ AnotherDreamWeaver Oct 2012 #90
I'm always amazed by how few people know of lateral gene transfer NickB79 Oct 2012 #93
Link to Institute for Responsible Technoloty AnotherDreamWeaver Oct 2012 #96
Thought I would add a link about toxic GMO crops for all those enablers who posted here AnotherDreamWeaver Jun 2013 #97
Russia Warns Global War over "Bee Apocalypse" AnotherDreamWeaver Jun 2013 #98
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