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Mon Oct 8, 2012, 03:47 PM

3. What about grafting?

Again, not a botanist - but where they took branches from a producing tree and jam them onto a non-producing tree to get it to be more healthy and produce more fruit - is that acceptable?

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They are genetically engineering the American Chestnut... [View all]	AnotherDreamWeaver	Oct 2012	OP
Aren't all modern crops the result of Genetic engineering of one sort or another?	el_bryanto	Oct 2012	#1
cross breeding naturally is not the same as gene splicing/insertion nt	msongs	Oct 2012	#2
What about grafting?	el_bryanto	Oct 2012	#3
Grafting would effect no genetic change.	Brother Buzz	Oct 2012	#20
Grafting is done to select a tree for it's production, and put it on a sturdy rootstock	AnotherDreamWeaver	Oct 2012	#44
You're confounding a number of things, and using the naturalistic fallacy.	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#47
I was answering a question, what is "confounding" about that answer?	AnotherDreamWeaver	Oct 2012	#54
You weren't answering anything.	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#63
I have found you are the one on attack,	AnotherDreamWeaver	Oct 2012	#66
I have grafted many plants, but that has nothing to do with the discussion.	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#71
Maybe you ate GM material, and it explains your bizarre behavior?	AnotherDreamWeaver	Oct 2012	#78
I would be proud to have you put me on ignore.	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#82
maize, corn, has been subjected to thousands of years of forced breeding, cross-breeding, and more	ChairmanAgnostic	Oct 2012	#55
Animal breeding can be considered "forced" but more often is refered to as "selected"	AnotherDreamWeaver	Oct 2012	#61
It would be great if they are successful	cpwm17	Oct 2012	#4
Indeed. It would be awesome.	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#5
A much more lengthy article on this from Nature.	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#6
That is a better article than the one I posted, but	AnotherDreamWeaver	Oct 2012	#53
I understand your beliefs.	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#62
"Other researchers are trying to attack the blight with viruses" is the third approach. nt	bananas	Oct 2012	#94
OK, I had heard that there was some biological suppressor in Europe	AnotherDreamWeaver	Oct 2012	#95
That was VERY cool	DiverDave	Oct 2012	#77
That should be 'Selective Breeding', not Genetic Engineering.	formercia	Oct 2012	#7
One of the other ways	Confusious	Oct 2012	#86
Under a spreading chestnut tree, the village smithy stands.	MineralMan	Oct 2012	#8
Selective breeding are the ones being released at this time, not GM...	yawnmaster	Oct 2012	#9
You could never breed wheat, peppers or grapes with Chestnuts.	AnotherDreamWeaver	Oct 2012	#67
If it can bring back a tree that was virtually wiped out	rox63	Oct 2012	#10
Cross-breeding is an ancient practice. What worries me is laboratory GMOs.	HopeHoops	Oct 2012	#11
What does something being "an ancient practice" have to do with anything?	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#12
Cross-breeding is natural, and occurs naturally as well. Genetic modification is NOT natural.	HopeHoops	Oct 2012	#17
Your just expanding on the fallacy of the ancients by offering up the natural fallacy.	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#22
Evidence? Ever grow a sweet pepper near a habanero plant? And what fallacy?	HopeHoops	Oct 2012	#28
I told you what fallacy.	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#31
Wait a minute. Are you insinuating that lab-inserted genes are equivalent to cross-pollination?	HopeHoops	Oct 2012	#36
No.	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#40
Lateral gene transfer occurs in nature.	Odin2005	Oct 2012	#80
Indeed, but I don't think he/she cares.	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#85
Well, I'll admit there are pros and cons to both, but artificial is playing with fire.	HopeHoops	Oct 2012	#89
Hybrid plants do not destroy insects that are pollinators	AnotherDreamWeaver	Oct 2012	#18
So, you think debunked preliminary studies are extremely meaningful.	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#24
I've wondered if it has contributed to colony die offs. I think lawn poisons have.	HopeHoops	Oct 2012	#34
We've always had plenty of flowers and veggies, less grass every year, as have our neighbors.	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#37
Anecdotes, perhaps not, but when all of the birds and bees (no pun intended) are in YOUR yard...	HopeHoops	Oct 2012	#41
I'm confused. You agree, but then you don't.	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#43
I wasn't either when I was a kid. Nobody poisoned the lawns then. I like your environment.	HopeHoops	Oct 2012	#46
It is difficult in many parts of the country.	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#51
ROFLMAO! Yeah, I guess you could get sick of it that way. We rarely mow either.	HopeHoops	Oct 2012	#56
I have a 20-year-old push mower. It's a good work out, but...	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#64
Our 20+ year old push mower is only about 16" wide. It would take forever.	HopeHoops	Oct 2012	#88
Actually, they frequently do contribute to pollinator deaths	NickB79	Oct 2012	#91
Very little about agriculture is natural	4th law of robotics	Oct 2012	#23
I have enough trouble getting a row of spinach to grow without the rabbits mowing it down.	HopeHoops	Oct 2012	#29
Well those rabbits were modified by monsanto	4th law of robotics	Oct 2012	#33
Impossible. If Monsanto was involved, they wouldn't be able to reproduce so you'd have to buy more..	HopeHoops	Oct 2012	#35
I for one welcome our new American Chestnut overlords..	Fumesucker	Oct 2012	#13
The American Chestnut was the Redwood of the East Coast, in that it was the overstory tree.	AnotherDreamWeaver	Oct 2012	#19
That seems like a very extreme viewpoint.	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#38
Yeah! Look what happened when they tried that with apple trees!	Ikonoklast	Oct 2012	#42
Then you don't support their return.	NutmegYankee	Oct 2012	#49
I support the return, I have two orchards of American and Hybrid trees	AnotherDreamWeaver	Oct 2012	#57
In the grand scheme of things agriculture v no agriculture	4th law of robotics	Oct 2012	#58
+1	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#73
It's cross breeding, which occurs in nature and has been used by humanity for 1000's of years.	NutmegYankee	Oct 2012	#59
In post #6, HuckleB posts a link, a paragraph is posted in Message text:	AnotherDreamWeaver	Oct 2012	#68
I still fail to see the problem. nt	NutmegYankee	Oct 2012	#69
I don't think there is a problem.	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#72
the first link in a "Dangers of Genetically Modified Plants" search brought this:	AnotherDreamWeaver	Oct 2012	#75
Good grief.	NutmegYankee	Oct 2012	#76
I have no problem with cross-breeding plants and trees	AnotherDreamWeaver	Oct 2012	#79
How would it ruin it as a food source?	NutmegYankee	Oct 2012	#83
And yet you can't explain why you have a problem with other procedures.	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#84
Sorry to break it to you, but you've got some mixed life forms inside you	NickB79	Oct 2012	#92
X-D	Nine	Oct 2012	#30
this is called hybridizing ....	Botany	Oct 2012	#14
Nobody wants to eat 'heirloom corn'..	X_Digger	Oct 2012	#15
It's easy to create fear and confusion.	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#16
There are several posts about this trouble with Genetically Modified crops	AnotherDreamWeaver	Oct 2012	#21
I'm aware of those posts.	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#26
If you read the article it says these are hybrids	4th law of robotics	Oct 2012	#25
And what if the trees currently growing were GMO?	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#27
It wouldn't	4th law of robotics	Oct 2012	#32
Indeed.	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#39
That is a very poor article, but check the Nature article in post #6	AnotherDreamWeaver	Oct 2012	#60
Ah, but you didn't know that, until I posted an article with more than a couple paragraphs.	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#74
Rachel Carson’s dream of a science-based agriculture ...	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#45
There is no other option. The original tree is nearly exinct from the blight.	NutmegYankee	Oct 2012	#48
I've been following chestnut research for a decade or more	Nevernose	Oct 2012	#50
Crossbreeding is not the same as Genetic Engineering!	Lydia Leftcoast	Oct 2012	#52
Thank you,	AnotherDreamWeaver	Oct 2012	#70
Get SyFy on the phone! I give you Mega-Chestnut vs. Gatoriod!	FSogol	Oct 2012	#65
Weird that. Some are being grown up the street from me and it is massively low tech.	Warren Stupidity	Oct 2012	#81
Any news on the American elm?	mitchtv	Oct 2012	#87
On GMO's: http://gmoawareness.org/gmo-facts/	AnotherDreamWeaver	Oct 2012	#90
I'm always amazed by how few people know of lateral gene transfer	NickB79	Oct 2012	#93
Link to Institute for Responsible Technoloty	AnotherDreamWeaver	Oct 2012	#96

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