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Big Blue Marble

(5,053 posts)
37. The denial here is disturbing.
Sat Oct 6, 2012, 03:16 PM
Oct 2012

If we are going to move ahead, the Obama Team has to regroup, and reboot.
IMO, the debate was a disaster, because it reset the tone of campaign in
the media. And that is what matters, the perception. We can argue
the reality until we are blue in the face. (forgive the pun), but it does
not shift the media perceptions out there.

It has been deemed a fail for Obama even more than a win for Romney. And it has breathed
new life into what was a very demoralized campaign which was losing support from its super backers.

And my even deeper concern is what it will do to the down-ticket races and
our chance to regain the house, which is critical for the success of an Obama
second term.

In order to regroup, we need to acknowledge that it was an epic fail on
his part. I have watched many, many presidential debates, actually since
they began, and this was the worst one I have ever seen. I cannot understand
why the President was not better prepared to put the final nail in the
Romney Campaign. Instead he gave them the opening they were wanting.
Very sad.

Amen ;-) Sekhmets Daughter Oct 2012 #1
kick piratefish08 Oct 2012 #2
Cali, CatWoman Oct 2012 #3
That's your opinion. Unfortunately, that's not the general takeaway. cali Oct 2012 #5
yes, it is my opinion CatWoman Oct 2012 #18
I think the "general takeaway" Jackpine Radical Oct 2012 #155
Group Think CthulhusEvilCousin Oct 2012 #31
I was driving in my car all alone listening on the radio -- group think played no part gateley Oct 2012 #49
I, too, watched it alone Glitterati Oct 2012 #92
Agree. I think we were just all stunned that Romney did a total 180 and it wasn't gateley Oct 2012 #101
Exactly Glitterati Oct 2012 #134
Also, chervilant Oct 2012 #154
Excellent point. chervilant Oct 2012 #143
Yeah, he could have been a tad more assertive, I think. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #119
My takeaway was that Romney seemed to be a tweaked out bully obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #96
I agree easttexaslefty Oct 2012 #144
That was my thought too. zeemike Oct 2012 #139
Me too landolfi Oct 2012 #159
I have your back librarylu Oct 2012 #177
And what you posted is YOUR opinion, cali. ywcachieve Oct 2012 #58
Thank you. This is such a stupid post. Solomon Oct 2012 #78
I agree with you Cali,; Couldn't watch MSNBC, and then today, an epiphany Astazia Oct 2012 #181
Review the closing arguments...it's obvious who prepared better. dkf Oct 2012 #9
One commentator said complacency is a classic error for an incumbent, and with gateley Oct 2012 #65
Apparently Romney pulled the same thing on Shannon O'Brien for the governorship. dkf Oct 2012 #82
Agree, and I'm sure they ALL learned from this blindsiding (if that's a word). gateley Oct 2012 #87
mine too... DonRedwood Oct 2012 #43
+1 Cali_Democrat Oct 2012 #56
+1 obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #94
Plus one here CatWoman chknltl Oct 2012 #148
Completely agree with you. My first impression was Obama did a good job and that hasn't Raine Oct 2012 #161
Maybe it was the altitude after all. dkf Oct 2012 #4
I agree....and even worse... vi5 Oct 2012 #6
You can't let it go, can you? MjolnirTime Oct 2012 #7
Depends on what you call spin.. Permanut Oct 2012 #8
This OP sure smells like some pretty fetid "spin" IMO. nt MADem Oct 2012 #53
I smell it too. Cobalt Violet Oct 2012 #111
You said the same thing about my posts... Vietnameravet Oct 2012 #122
Oh, you mean the "Mitt Won" and "What is wrong with Democrats" posts you slapped up? Yeah, I did. MADem Oct 2012 #173
As well as totally breaking the debate rules obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #98
Totally Agree... haikugal Oct 2012 #10
How is it possible for a guy who lies his ass off to be declared the winner of anything?.... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #11
I guess you never played poker. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #46
Why not? treestar Oct 2012 #12
Is it spin to say it was a good thing not to bring up the 47%? speedoo Oct 2012 #13
You mean it's not possible that other DU'ers MAY ACTUALLY DISAGREE WITH YOU? I think he did well. KittyWampus Oct 2012 #14
Not me. The bounce in the polls that Mitt is getting and virtually all the pundits from cali Oct 2012 #20
Which polls? LiberalAndProud Oct 2012 #129
What bounce? I saw Obama up one point BEFORE the jobs report came out. Duh? Yeah--DUH. nt MADem Oct 2012 #174
I'd say, personally, to learn from failure you have to look at it realistically bhikkhu Oct 2012 #15
where did you read that? woolldog Oct 2012 #130
From Politico: bhikkhu Oct 2012 #151
Thank you! woolldog Oct 2012 #164
I sincerely wish Glitterati Oct 2012 #136
I'm sorry you think unhinged lying is winning. savalez Oct 2012 #16
Yes, in this case unhinged lying and a demeanor I found overbearing and smarmy won the day. cali Oct 2012 #21
see #48 savalez Oct 2012 #50
Pres. Obama won with facts. ywcachieve Oct 2012 #66
Please. H2O Man Oct 2012 #26
I meant to say savalez Oct 2012 #48
I suspect that H2O Man Oct 2012 #110
LOL! So, by your definition LuvLoogie Oct 2012 #100
Silly. H2O Man Oct 2012 #106
No! I'm right and you're wrong! LiberalAndProud Oct 2012 #17
at first I was upset that Stenchy was getting away with his little show.... BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2012 #41
Amen. Indpndnt Oct 2012 #132
It wasn't a trap or manipulation or 3-d chess on Obama's part. ananda Oct 2012 #19
Hear, hear! defacto7 Oct 2012 #124
There is no doubt Obama was not at his best, to say the least, Sugarcoated Oct 2012 #22
And seeing you post shit like this.. trumad Oct 2012 #23
Am I the only one who thinks THEY BOTH SUCKED?? K8-EEE Oct 2012 #24
LOL... you made me laugh..... your title caught me off guard. ywcachieve Oct 2012 #44
The hysterical "the election is over!" and similar chicken-little cries have been just as bad. NYC Liberal Oct 2012 #25
Exactly Fgiriun Oct 2012 #27
Time to move on. Jack Sprat Oct 2012 #28
I understand the kind of Chicken Little, anxiety tail-spin stuff... gulliver Oct 2012 #29
gulliver, great remarks. ywcachieve Oct 2012 #52
"Often you don't lose until you admit you lost... Chorophyll Oct 2012 #95
THIS times 1,000! nt. druidity33 Oct 2012 #104
You are exactly right brush Oct 2012 #149
+1! uponit7771 Oct 2012 #185
How many attack ads did Romney get out of this? Kalidurga Oct 2012 #30
btw, I counted twelve that the Obama campaign reeled off just YESTERDAY bigtree Oct 2012 #35
^^^This Reply Is Full Of WIN!^^^ Turborama Oct 2012 #169
I'll tell you what this reminds me of bigtree Oct 2012 #32
A) that's not true. I certainly have not posted a myriad of threads belittling DUers cali Oct 2012 #55
I'm sure you don't think you're belittling DUers on this bigtree Oct 2012 #186
Romney obviously won the style game by a substantial margin. However, tarheelsunc Oct 2012 #33
Because it wasn't the reality I experienced frazzled Oct 2012 #34
In our media-driven world, Big Blue Marble Oct 2012 #40
I don't think I was being biased by "my" candidate frazzled Oct 2012 #45
I absolutely agree with you. Big Blue Marble Oct 2012 #93
Completely agree. Denial doesn't help, that's why alsame Oct 2012 #36
That was a great reminder. Hyper_Eye Oct 2012 #125
The denial here is disturbing. Big Blue Marble Oct 2012 #37
You're just so wrong. MADem Oct 2012 #51
Well we had better do something different. Big Blue Marble Oct 2012 #61
No we do not need to do anything "different." Nothing needs to be "shifted back." MADem Oct 2012 #105
100% this obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #112
Big Bird won that debate. rMoney "won" a first impression that was not lasting, and that he will MADem Oct 2012 #175
I am glad you are not on the President's re-election team. Big Blue Marble Oct 2012 #162
I've done plenty to elect Dems to national office, and I'm glad you're not "advising" Obama. MADem Oct 2012 #172
It is becoming clear that you are someone who must have the last wordl Big Blue Marble Oct 2012 #180
It most certainly takes one to know one! MADem Oct 2012 #182
So denial means NOT agreeing with YOU? progressivebydesign Oct 2012 #59
Denial means avoiding stepping outside of your own limited perception Big Blue Marble Oct 2012 #64
Exactly obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #114
Seeing numerous posts accepting the spewed Romney debate lies HipChick Oct 2012 #38
something has been bothering me... Whisp Oct 2012 #39
Well said! Thanks! nt. OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #42
the disturbing message here is that Lies Work on democrats too. Whisp Oct 2012 #74
Thank You Thank You Thank You obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #115
whisp that has really been bothering me too brightertomorrow Oct 2012 #126
Big Bird Won--Jim Lehrer LOST. That's the bottom line. No spin. MADem Oct 2012 #47
+1M Indpndnt Oct 2012 #79
It's why those same idiot "talking heads" that claimed a rMoney win have spent the last three days MADem Oct 2012 #85
The Big Bird.Sesame Street thing is STILL all over twitter obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #116
All over Youtube, too, with little kids crying and begging Sesame Street be spared. Indpndnt Oct 2012 #121
People who don't use social media don't get its influence obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #123
True. At least the MSM is reporting on the Big Bird phenomena. Indpndnt Oct 2012 #127
yep. Blue_Roses Oct 2012 #183
YOUR opinion, and you're entitled to it. I frankly know from my friends that Romney came off cokedup progressivebydesign Oct 2012 #54
I feel the Obama campaign is dealing with the reality of it. blue neen Oct 2012 #57
that's good, you call people here freepers CreekDog Oct 2012 #60
I agree. Not one of his high points. renie408 Oct 2012 #62
I'll be honest Chico Man Oct 2012 #63
I'd say the debate didn't hurt President Obama very much. backscatter712 Oct 2012 #67
I'd say he has lost electoral college votes and 3 pts of national support, so I would disagree. renie408 Oct 2012 #76
How long is that going to last? backscatter712 Oct 2012 #113
I really hope you are right. renie408 Oct 2012 #135
+1 gateley Oct 2012 #68
i don't see anyone saying what you are claiming, but it was smart of him not to bring up the 47 JI7 Oct 2012 #69
Despite whether Obama's showing was a tactical plan or a flop meadowlark5 Oct 2012 #70
Strange thing -- most people who didn't listen to any of the commentary thought Obama did fine. byronius Oct 2012 #71
This message was self-deleted by its author 7worldtrade Oct 2012 #72
The debate was hardly Obama's shining moment etherealtruth Oct 2012 #73
You're wrong. Politics means supporting your party on stuff like this debate. Do you think the repub craigmatic Oct 2012 #75
Reuters Ipsos poll holds steady - good news in poll out just now 7worldtrade Oct 2012 #77
Your opinion railsback Oct 2012 #80
Pres too busy for bs. Mitt busy planning lies, ways to cheat, per usual. Drugs came in handy too judesedit Oct 2012 #81
I don't think he did great, but the matter of who won is subjective Bjorn Against Oct 2012 #83
i understand that the president was lackluster barbtries Oct 2012 #84
Letting Mitt Be Mitt! SCVDem Oct 2012 #86
Looking forward to full tilt Biden PlanetBev Oct 2012 #91
Oh boy, so am I! Glitterati Oct 2012 #99
I would love for Biden to make a marathon message obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #118
One definate thing Obama needs to avoid the next debate PlanetBev Oct 2012 #88
More spin. Or is it only spin when someone else says it. Fact: there are a variety of patrice Oct 2012 #89
I usually do not agree with you on anything, but you are correct on this. The DU needs a reality.... Logical Oct 2012 #90
Oh please. You love to go negative. JNelson6563 Oct 2012 #97
Doesn't require much ProSense Oct 2012 #102
Didn't do well in the face of pathological LYING? I disagree. CakeGrrl Oct 2012 #103
we must be seeing different forums becaus I see critical threads grantcart Oct 2012 #107
Obama himself reviewed his performance and says he didn't realize at the time how badly he did. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2012 #108
I have no idea whether he was setting a trap or not, Blue_In_AK Oct 2012 #109
Obama could have done a little better, I think, but you can't deny one thing: AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #117
Just because you have an opinion of the debate, doesn't mean everyone who doesn't share it is wrong. -Steph- Oct 2012 #120
No need to rub it in. hauweg Oct 2012 #128
Totally agree. laundry_queen Oct 2012 #131
Everybody has one .... after some review and introspection your opinion is becoming MindMover Oct 2012 #133
Is this what they teach in high school debate classes these days? mechtech Oct 2012 #137
Pretty much all debates are won or lost in the post-debate spin Denzil_DC Oct 2012 #138
Your view is that you can distinguish "spin" from "reality" rock Oct 2012 #140
Drops in. Finger wags. Never returns. lunatica Oct 2012 #141
Now, now rock Oct 2012 #145
If you like having a new asshole drilled into you I would agree lunatica Oct 2012 #153
Speak for yourself. n/t mattclearing Oct 2012 #187
Romney was like a brat stealing fruit. sevenseas Oct 2012 #142
I definitely believe that President Obama's soft response was deliberate! hue Oct 2012 #146
He lost the debate but won the spin. justiceischeap Oct 2012 #147
I am among those who don't believe lying, with a frenzy is a debate win. mzmolly Oct 2012 #150
Its a win if you can get away with it,,and that night Romney did.. Vietnameravet Oct 2012 #158
Unfortunate statement regarding our media and their failure to mzmolly Oct 2012 #166
Disappointed in our side brush Oct 2012 #152
You must have been watching a different Tweety, Rachael and Big Ed.. Vietnameravet Oct 2012 #157
It's just theatre, PDJane Oct 2012 #156
How about this Vietnameravet Oct 2012 #160
well heaven05 Oct 2012 #163
People have different views DisabledAmerican Oct 2012 #165
Alert FAIL. L0oniX Oct 2012 #167
I LOVE the advice to take your pet for a walk Skittles Oct 2012 #184
agreed. and I'm more worried than you are. I dot know if he can get back up to a 10 point robinlynne Oct 2012 #168
I agree with everything you posted. Couldn't Even watch the news... Astazia Oct 2012 #170
"Shit Just Got Real." NYC_SKP Oct 2012 #171
I absolutely agree Skittles Oct 2012 #176
Sorry but ncav53 Oct 2012 #178
+1 doc03 Oct 2012 #179
The best thing Rmoney got from that debate "win" was talking heads proclaiming him the "winner" D23MIURG23 Oct 2012 #188
I don't view debates/campaigns dog_lovin_dem Oct 2012 #189
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