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Zorra

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49. Julian Assange speaks much truth in that video. But then, again...
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 02:47 PM
Oct 2012

President Obama, despite his best intentions, can only operate within the political and economic boundaries set for him by the 1%. He can only do so much. And the fact is, he serves at the pleasure of the 1%, and only nominally at the pleasure of the People.

Julian Assange is actually campaigning against those who limit the ability of President Obama and others we elect to solve the problems created by the greed of the 1%, and not against the President, who he apparently considers personally irrelevant and powerless insofar as his subjection to the restrictions placed by the 1% on his ability to govern according to the Will of the People is concerned.

What I find immensely disappointing and disturbing in the video is Julian saying that the only vote that matters is a vote for Wikileaks. He is clearly ignoring the fact that President Obama, despite the limitations placed on him in the realms of economic and political policies, will still be a million times better than Romney, based solely on domestic social policy alone, and Julian is very, very wrong for not acknowledging this reality, and just shot himself in the foot by denying this difference between republicans and Democrats.

We, as American citizens, while still being subject to the economic and political dictates of the 1%, will benefit so much more in the area of domestic social issues under a President Obama than we would under Mitt Romney. This is our very basic reality in the US. If President Obama is not reelected, many American citizens will unnecessarily suffer grave injustices and deprivations for many years to come.

So. despite the fact that there is much truth in that video, I am forced to give Julian Assange a huge thumbs down, no, actually, a fuck off, for his failure to consider how many more people will suffer at the most basic levels under Romney than they would under an Obama presidency. It is what it is. We do the best we can with what we can, and there is certainly no reason to make it any worse without serious necessity to do so.

There is a clearly a huge difference between Democrats and republicans in the areas of social and environmental issues. On this basis alone, I would vote for Democrats. Republicans do nothing that is positive and good whatsoever, Democrats at least do some good. Julian Assange should retract this video, re-word it, and post it again, because it is a huge untruth to say that the only vote that matters is a vote for Wikileaks, and by saying this, he greatly detracts from the the truths expressed in the bulk of the video.

In fact, if this clear falsehood was not present in the video, I would actually have been really impressed, and would have sent Wikileaks a small donation immediately. But unless those untruths are edited out of the video, I will never donate to Wikileaks again.

There are many things that have disappointed many of us during the past four years, but most of us fully recognize the limitations in the system under which many elected officials are compelled to operate. To me, this is a core issue that Occupy is all about: Removing the 1% from power by actions taken from outside the political system, and subsequently removing the restraints placed on genuine democratic policies placed upon them by the 1%, so that We the People, the 99%, can better control our own destinies through genuine self-governance, rather than simply be pawns subjugated by a wealthy and powerful elite.

It should be apparent to any reasonable person that our elected officials are, to a large degree, held captive by wealthy and powerful private interests. If someone can't recognize this, then, in my estimation their opinions are not worth considering, because their perceptions, and/or powers of discernment, and/or ability to logically and objectively evaluate factually, would clearly be untrustworthy.

Obviously, many of us recognize this reality.


The global power of the financial centers is so great, that they can afford not to worry about the political tendency of those who hold power in a nation, if the economic program (in other words, the role that nation has in the global economic megaprogram) remains unaltered. The financial disciplines impose themselves upon the different colors of the world political spectrum in regards to the government of any nation. The great world power can tolerate a leftist government in any part of the world, as long as the government does not take measures that go against the needs of the world financial centers. But in no way will it tolerate that an alternative economic, political and social organization consolidate. For the megapolitics, the national politics are dwarfed and submit to the dict ates of the financial centers. It will be this way until the dwarf rebel.





Is this where you submit to some sort of brain wipe and have all the things they exposed erased? Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2012 #1
Wikileaks' "accomplishments" include scuttling the Copenhagen climate summit: struggle4progress Oct 2012 #4
Gee I thought it was right-wing and big business climate change deniers that scuttled the summit. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2012 #9
My link includes video in which Assange takes credit for the Climategate release struggle4progress Oct 2012 #21
No. This is where I introduce some more information MineralMan Oct 2012 #7
Hate the game, not the player Taverner Oct 2012 #2
In this case, the player is the game, MineralMan Oct 2012 #5
Me too, BUT I still have deep admiration Assange and Manning Taverner Oct 2012 #30
What happened brush Oct 2012 #34
Because he's an attention whore leftynyc Oct 2012 #37
I think he's mad at the entire US Government Taverner Oct 2012 #42
what exactly are they doing to 'catch' him?, mostly asking out of curiosity Bodhi BloodWave Oct 2012 #67
Problem is, we don't know much tama Oct 2012 #114
most investigations tho don't tend to be public, usually thats actually a rather bad idea nt Bodhi BloodWave Oct 2012 #123
No. You don't. randome Oct 2012 #69
Manning showed courage and bravery Taverner Oct 2012 #84
Wikileaks is cool (for the most part). So is whistleblowing. randome Oct 2012 #85
No, he didn't. Courage and bravery would have been him using the MWPA of 1988 and forcing msanthrope Oct 2012 #108
He's a libertarian ideologue, and the libertarian ideologues are anti-Obama: struggle4progress Oct 2012 #3
Thanks for the link. MineralMan Oct 2012 #6
Left libertarian tama Oct 2012 #10
ridiculous. Man, I'm tired of this same old lame rhetoric cali Oct 2012 #18
Some on DU thinks Obama is above criticism, as evidenced by some of these responses. Erose999 Oct 2012 #23
What criticism has been offered? randome Oct 2012 #25
What you said is beyond criticism. DevonRex Oct 2012 #135
I understand tama Oct 2012 #31
And what does Assange have to do with any of what you mentioned? randome Oct 2012 #35
BFD tama Oct 2012 #64
Simply responding to a current news item. randome Oct 2012 #71
You are wellcome tama Oct 2012 #77
She doesn't know. She's in Finland ferchrissake. Anti-authoritarians who follow global summits.... Tarheel_Dem Oct 2012 #99
Yes tama Oct 2012 #112
I care about Americans voting for our American president. Finland? I could give a shit. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2012 #117
boom! frylock Oct 2012 #61
you understand nothing. cali Oct 2012 #104
"Subjective" and "Objective" is Latin Grammar tama Oct 2012 #110
By supporting Obama without criticism, you are supporting NDAA and drones and Wall St cronies. Erose999 Oct 2012 #136
+1 Johonny Oct 2012 #40
yes, why measure yourself based on policy when you can just label yourself as liberal? frylock Oct 2012 #60
There's really no evidence that Assange has any coherent leftist views. Read his essays and you struggle4progress Oct 2012 #38
As Orwell said tama Oct 2012 #128
Orwell earned a reputation for honesty by not caving to the political pressure of his contempories struggle4progress Oct 2012 #131
If Glen Beck had been the one that had done or said half the things Assange has done or said Ikonoklast Oct 2012 #54
I don't believe in capital punishment tama Oct 2012 #59
and if bush or romney were drone bombing the shit out of the middle east.. frylock Oct 2012 #63
Excuse me. A lot of us are dead set against the drone wars. randome Oct 2012 #73
Actually, no. Drone bombing Tora Bora in November of 2001 by Bush would have saved us a shit-load msanthrope Oct 2012 #121
+1. Can't we just chip in & buy them all an island somewhere? How long b/4 they turn on each other? Tarheel_Dem Oct 2012 #98
If I were in Assange's position (or Manning's, god forbid) I'd be pretty pissed at Obama too. Erose999 Oct 2012 #8
So what. Seriously, just because he's mad at Obama doesn't cali Oct 2012 #12
Maybe he's just drunk-dialing from the consulate trying to stay relevant. AtomicKitten Oct 2012 #11
Well he can forget about a presidential pardon julian09 Oct 2012 #13
I doubt he'll ever be tried in a US court, anyway. MineralMan Oct 2012 #14
I think he was already aware of that nt newfie11 Oct 2012 #15
Perhaps Wikileaks would rather see a Republican in charge who would've rushed into BenzoDia Oct 2012 #16
Oh and Rmoney EC Oct 2012 #17
I watched the video and theres no mention of support for another candidate. It seems that they're Erose999 Oct 2012 #19
Your last statement in that post sucks! nt MineralMan Oct 2012 #24
I was under the impression that Obama bashing is an alerting offense. hrmjustin Oct 2012 #51
It is. If nobody has alerted, you can. MineralMan Oct 2012 #52
I prefer to let such diatribes stand. randome Oct 2012 #58
Yeah, I suppose. MineralMan Oct 2012 #83
and 2.5 hours later the post stands.. frylock Oct 2012 #65
So it does. I don't have any loyalty oaths. MineralMan Oct 2012 #79
And they're still at war and there are still drones killing innocent people, and military Erose999 Oct 2012 #102
President Obama is exponentially Better than Cha Oct 2012 #111
And who are you voting for? nt msanthrope Oct 2012 #122
I was under the impression that Obama bashing in that fashion was a banning offense rl6214 Oct 2012 #138
"Fuck Obama" during elections season at DU... SidDithers Oct 2012 #28
Thank goodness for transparency in edits. MineralMan Oct 2012 #33
FUCK ASSANGE, erose. Cha Oct 2012 #97
So who're you voting for? Not Obama after saying fuck him. DevonRex Oct 2012 #132
Show us Romney's tax returns Assange liberal_at_heart Oct 2012 #20
Now THAT would set the world free, indeed. A real world example of where the money went. freshwest Oct 2012 #129
Fuck Assange. NCTraveler Oct 2012 #22
It's almost impossible to separate Wikileaks from Assange. MineralMan Oct 2012 #27
I agree with what you say. NCTraveler Oct 2012 #43
Wikileaks is as damaged as he is--read this expose from Al-Jazeera-- msanthrope Oct 2012 #29
Intervene in the 2012 presidential election? msanthrope Oct 2012 #26
bush did it = bad, obama does it = good. ok nt msongs Oct 2012 #32
shhh! We're not allowed to criticize Obama on this site liberal_at_heart Oct 2012 #36
Not only are you allowed to criticize him.... NCTraveler Oct 2012 #47
so you agree that bush drones = bad, obama drones = good frylock Oct 2012 #68
No clue what you are talking about.nt. NCTraveler Oct 2012 #80
of course you don't.. frylock Oct 2012 #100
What am I denying? NCTraveler Oct 2012 #134
Bush and Obama did what? Explain, please. randome Oct 2012 #39
IOKIODI? Noooo, not really. tblue Oct 2012 #45
Post removed Post removed Oct 2012 #55
You do know that you can leave at anytime, right? nt MrScorpio Oct 2012 #62
love it or leave it frylock Oct 2012 #70
And yet you continue to post here... SidDithers Oct 2012 #72
'Cuz there's not a lot of activity over where the nuts used to fill the trees. Smashed acorns.... Tarheel_Dem Oct 2012 #105
Wikileaks will be crushed when they hear Union Scribe Oct 2012 #41
No doubt. I am definitely someone to worry about MineralMan Oct 2012 #44
Thanks for the link. I donated $15 for transparency in government. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #46
Tired of holding back on this. Fuck that attention whoring, rapist piece of trash. phleshdef Oct 2012 #48
Julian Assange speaks much truth in that video. But then, again... Zorra Oct 2012 #49
He did not tell anyone not to vote tama Oct 2012 #74
Oh, shush! Assange is an enemy of the state and very naughty..at least he is here. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #86
I've long been a staunch and consistent Assange/Wikileaks supporter, and feel that they do important Zorra Oct 2012 #90
He's attacking the corrupt establishment. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #115
OK, good point. But actually, he did say "Cast the only vote that Zorra Oct 2012 #88
I'm also a realist tama Oct 2012 #92
Yes, another good point, I totally get that. But Julian really needs to understand OUR perspective, Zorra Oct 2012 #101
Talk to Julian tama Oct 2012 #116
Yeh, well, he's kind of hard to get ahold of these days. Zorra Oct 2012 #119
He characterizes his plea for money as 'intervening' in our election. randome Oct 2012 #126
While he has done some good marlakay Oct 2012 #50
And you were so very close to completely embracing Assange before now. He'll miss you. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2012 #53
No, I wasn't, as of course you know. MineralMan Oct 2012 #57
Julian Assange Launches Vote WikiLeaks Funding Campaign while Supporters Face £140,000 Bail Loss struggle4progress Oct 2012 #56
Well of course treestar Oct 2012 #66
I'm pretty Obama designated Assange as a potential drone assassination target nichomachus Oct 2012 #76
Obama has not done that treestar Oct 2012 #78
OMG! Tarheel_Dem Oct 2012 #106
I doubt very much that President Obama has given MineralMan Oct 2012 #81
the only reason he/the obama administation even mentions him these days it seems Bodhi BloodWave Oct 2012 #89
Well, it sure does seem like that, doesn't it? MineralMan Oct 2012 #93
I support wikileaks 1000 percent quinnox Oct 2012 #75
OK. Thanks for letting me know. MineralMan Oct 2012 #82
LAUNCH THE DRONES! MadHound Oct 2012 #87
I doubt that there is much concern about MineralMan Oct 2012 #91
Classical rhetorical tactic tama Oct 2012 #94
Threads go where they will. MineralMan Oct 2012 #95
My memory is so bad tama Oct 2012 #109
God, I wish this asshole would get lost in the jungles of Ecuador already. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2012 #96
People are fighting tooth and nail for the right to vote this year, Chorophyll Oct 2012 #103
^^^^^^This^^^^^^ one_voice Oct 2012 #107
Very well stated! Tarheel_Dem Oct 2012 #113
Yes. Anyone that rapes a sleeping woman is a fucking savage. bluestate10 Oct 2012 #118
You are right. MineralMan Oct 2012 #120
Thank you, Chorophyll! Assange is Cha Oct 2012 #124
Thanks Cha and everyone else who replied. Chorophyll Oct 2012 #130
Well said...nt SidDithers Oct 2012 #137
I am not surprised. It has been evident for a long time that Assange is for one thing: himself. Honeycombe8 Oct 2012 #125
Thanks for your comment. MineralMan Oct 2012 #127
dweeb. nt seabeyond Oct 2012 #133
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