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Mon Jan 9, 2012, 02:42 PM

loyalsister (6,934 posts)

75. This is the flip side argument I have used against parental notification laws

I think that it is her choice.

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184 replies	Author	Time	Post
Girl, 14, Sues Family to Stop Abortion [View all]	The Straight Story	Jan 2012	OP
That's a tough one	salvorhardin	Jan 2012	#1
I am not sure that a challenged 14 year old is a "woman" I am glad I am not the judge	Vincardog	Jan 2012	#2
Legally she is a minor and has limited rights.	MedicalAdmin	Jan 2012	#18
Let's hope it is not the grandfather to be	Vincardog	Jan 2012	#21
OR anyone over the age of 18 for that matter...	MedicalAdmin	Jan 2012	#56
She could run out the clock	itsrobert	Jan 2012	#107
That's what I thought too.	MedicalAdmin	Jan 2012	#158
Not an angle I would take	joeglow3	Jan 2012	#173
Exactly.	MedicalAdmin	Jan 2012	#178
Agreed.	joeglow3	Jan 2012	#179
Well she can get herself emancipated and go on her own...	snooper2	Jan 2012	#3
I have been told on other topics that a 14 year old cannot be held responsible for their actions.	Snake Alchemist	Jan 2012	#13
I would guess that the vast majority of people who say that...	LanternWaste	Jan 2012	#76
the fact is go to any of the threads about Lawrence King	dsc	Jan 2012	#113
Well, you see,	Charlemagne	Jan 2012	#87
I can see no happy outcome here	Warpy	Jan 2012	#19
That's the road my thoughts were going down	salvorhardin	Jan 2012	#34
I have a cousin who was shoved into a shotgun marriage at 15	Warpy	Jan 2012	#45
If it is "Crisis Pregnancy Centers" they will coddle her	MattBaggins	Jan 2012	#62
And after they traffic the baby	musette_sf	Jan 2012	#105
so do i.	barbtries	Jan 2012	#58
It is a cousin that claims she is mentally unstable. I don't see in the linked article that a	Arkansas Granny	Jan 2012	#112
Is it the same cousin that grabbed her neck, hit her face, threatened to beat her if she aborted?	uppityperson	Jan 2012	#142
I didn't see enough info in the article to know for sure if it was the same cousin or not.	Arkansas Granny	Jan 2012	#155
yup. Had a friend run across some of those foul people.	uppityperson	Jan 2012	#156
As long as her family can legally disown her and any financial obligation to her, let her choose.	Lance_Boyle	Jan 2012	#4
Would you say the same if this was a teen being forced to continue a pregnancy? n/t	FedUpWithIt All	Jan 2012	#14
The same would not apply, because the only burden imposed on the family on that case	Lance_Boyle	Jan 2012	#41
The burden will then likely go to the State. nt	Snake Alchemist	Jan 2012	#15
It ought to go to the 'choose life' group making her case	Lance_Boyle	Jan 2012	#42
This case is going to bring up a lot of issues.	Snake Alchemist	Jan 2012	#46
I think that the issue of custody of a child that is born would be another issue	ehrnst	Jan 2012	#39
Thankfully. our court sysem tells Pontius Pilates to piss off.	MattBaggins	Jan 2012	#63
a child is an "unwanted burden" wow, that's cold blooded	leftyohiolib	Jan 2012	#68
Oh? Says who?	lapislzi	Jan 2012	#82
Some child/women cannot take care of their children nor themselves. It's a tragedy for all.	kiranon	Jan 2012	#120
rationalize away if that makes you feel better but i stand by my statement	leftyohiolib	Jan 2012	#130
fine, take your warm heart and YOU raise all the unwanted children of other people	Scout	Jan 2012	#133
Odd things about unwanted burdens...	LanternWaste	Jan 2012	#77
And sometimes they become abused and neglected.	ehrnst	Jan 2012	#88
Sometimes A, sometimes B...	LanternWaste	Jan 2012	#93
I'm glad it worked out for you.	ehrnst	Jan 2012	#99
Those two sets of laws aren't related	treestar	Jan 2012	#106
"Mentally unstable"	no_hypocrisy	Jan 2012	#5
The issue will indeed come down to competency.	ehrnst	Jan 2012	#9
I'll be the judge here. It's her choice. Okthxbai!	Zalatix	Jan 2012	#11
I agree - and in reality, no one will give her an abortion	ehrnst	Jan 2012	#80
This is the flip side argument I have used against parental notification laws	loyalsister	Jan 2012	#75
And this Republican judge will have to use all the Pro-choice arguments	ehrnst	Jan 2012	#81
What I got from the linked article, it was a cousin who described her as mentally unstable.	Arkansas Granny	Jan 2012	#114
Do you think the lawyers representing her would represent a 14-year-old	joeybee12	Jan 2012	#6
Her lawyers are from a right-to-life group, so no, they would not represent her	Lance_Boyle	Jan 2012	#7
I should have added this...	joeybee12	Jan 2012	#8
It's ridiculous that anti-choicers are being picked to protect a girl's freedom of choice.	Zalatix	Jan 2012	#12
They are anti-choice lawyers with an agenda against abortion, not pro-'choice'	ehrnst	Jan 2012	#17
Well, what can you say? Where are the pro-choicers to have her back?	Zalatix	Jan 2012	#183
Well, and that's another sad part of this-	Raffi Ella	Jan 2012	#26
No, but maybe it would've been nice if the ACLU had gotten there first...	Hippo_Tron	Jan 2012	#168
I support her.	RandySF	Jan 2012	#10
I agree with your statement, but...	Wait Wut	Jan 2012	#22
If bodily harm was the issue, I would agree.	RandySF	Jan 2012	#30
Yeah, I'm just going to ignore the parent's idiotic claims.	Wait Wut	Jan 2012	#53
The judge has assigned an attorney to her	ehrnst	Jan 2012	#89
This message was self-deleted by its author	moriah	Jan 2012	#32
Yes.	Wait Wut	Jan 2012	#51
This message was self-deleted by its author	moriah	Jan 2012	#60
I agree with you on parental consent.	Wait Wut	Jan 2012	#65
Girls must prove competency to get an abortion against their parent's wishes in TX.	ehrnst	Jan 2012	#24
There is also her health to consider - by definition, it's a high risk pregnancy.	ehrnst	Jan 2012	#28
She's 14 and a minor	KansDem	Jan 2012	#31
No, she can't sign contracts, drive, drink, but....	Moonwalk	Jan 2012	#67
Fantastic post n/t	Tsiyu	Jan 2012	#180
Those have been established to be different from reproductive decisions	ehrnst	Jan 2012	#84
ehhh I dont know	Charlemagne	Jan 2012	#90
Supporting the individual's right to choose is not predicated on our own personal opinions...	LanternWaste	Jan 2012	#78
Too many variables to make a decision.	Wait Wut	Jan 2012	#16
Forced abortion is just as disgusting as forced pregnancy.	moriah	Jan 2012	#20
yes,	Raffi Ella	Jan 2012	#29
Agree completely. n/t	FedUpWithIt All	Jan 2012	#50
yes	Charlemagne	Jan 2012	#91
At 14, without family support - she won't be able to parent that baby.	ehrnst	Jan 2012	#159
A choice not to abort is not the same as a choice to parent. And there is the baby daddy.	moriah	Jan 2012	#162
That's how others here seem to be defining 'forced abortion.' Let me clarify:	ehrnst	Jan 2012	#169
And no one is taking the provider to court -- but the parents.	moriah	Jan 2012	#171
I think that we agree on most things - except what is being presented in this discussion.	ehrnst	Jan 2012	#172
my post was #20. ;) It'd been here awhile and you'd been pretty active on the thread after.	moriah	Jan 2012	#177
It's not a hard case at all-	Raffi Ella	Jan 2012	#23
It's interesting to have pro-life attorneys representing	MineralMan	Jan 2012	#27
Neither parent nor judge can force a clinic to perform an abortion on her - no clinic would do that.	ehrnst	Jan 2012	#175
Would you say the same if she was e.g a 9-year-old refusing life-saving cancer surgery?	Donald Ian Rankin	Jan 2012	#122
ok, so...	Raffi Ella	Jan 2012	#136
"Think" as opposed to "am totally certain of".	Donald Ian Rankin	Jan 2012	#138
Frankly,	Raffi Ella	Jan 2012	#141
A 14 year old is not a woman.	Donald Ian Rankin	Jan 2012	#160
I'm not interested in this	Raffi Ella	Jan 2012	#161
Now there's a case that brings a lot of questions to the table.	MineralMan	Jan 2012	#25
I'm not sure that there would be an abortion provider anywhere	ehrnst	Jan 2012	#33
ah! Good point!	Raffi Ella	Jan 2012	#38
It may be all about the publicity - with no substance	ehrnst	Jan 2012	#48
Brilliant evaluation of the situation-	Raffi Ella	Jan 2012	#55
Or	loyalsister	Jan 2012	#79
Yes, apparently that's exactly what they're doing	ehrnst	Jan 2012	#131
I would hope that NO one who supported choice would ever force the decision, ANYWHERE.	moriah	Jan 2012	#52
The point is moot anyway	Charlemagne	Jan 2012	#92
I'm pro choice. Period.	Warren DeMontague	Jan 2012	#35
"Casey said the teen has the right to make the decision herself, no matter what her age." ...	meegbear	Jan 2012	#36
Can the parents force her to go through with this if there are no health issues for the mother?	krispos42	Jan 2012	#37
My little sister, who is mentally challenged, cannot be forced to have her tubes tied.	moriah	Jan 2012	#47
Any minor can have a childbirth procedure without parental consent.	ehrnst	Jan 2012	#49
My former sister-inlaw- 20 years younger is mentally ill	Marrah_G	Jan 2012	#57
Unlikely	fifthoffive	Jan 2012	#61
I would think not	treestar	Jan 2012	#104
It's her call. And btw.. who raped her? The cousin?	LeftinOH	Jan 2012	#40
Seriously. Those were my thoughts also. The cousin who assaulted her, or the one claiming mentally	uppityperson	Jan 2012	#144
My cousin had an abortion at 15 but it was her choice.	Jennicut	Jan 2012	#43
Logically choice has to work both ways	HockeyMom	Jan 2012	#44
I agree completely.	Kdillard	Jan 2012	#163
I respect her right to choose.	Nye Bevan	Jan 2012	#54
What if this were some other medical procedure?	fifthoffive	Jan 2012	#59
I think we worry too much about being ideologically pure	Charlemagne	Jan 2012	#94
Her body her choice. If, after serious counseling and discussion, she	ecstatic	Jan 2012	#64
Not to be contrary, but what if she wanted to smoke/drink?	The Straight Story	Jan 2012	#66
The psychological implications are different	ecstatic	Jan 2012	#70
well there are laws that say she cant smoke or drink, but none against having a baby	leftyohiolib	Jan 2012	#71
Some demarcations are drawn by nature	cthulu2016	Jan 2012	#72
Great answer nt	ecstatic	Jan 2012	#74
Exactly	Charlemagne	Jan 2012	#95
Yes, that's it	Yo_Mama	Jan 2012	#140
Choice is choice. It is not always pretty.	cthulu2016	Jan 2012	#69
Agreed.	moriah	Jan 2012	#73
The reality is that no abortion provider will give her one now.	ehrnst	Jan 2012	#83
Freedom of choice carries the risk of people sometimes making poor choices	slackmaster	Jan 2012	#85
You can't argue out of both sides of your mouth on this one...	ddeclue	Jan 2012	#86
thankyou.	leftyohiolib	Jan 2012	#98
I think it should be up to the parents	Mosby	Jan 2012	#96
When it comes to reproductive rights,	MineralMan	Jan 2012	#97
This message was self-deleted by its author	Mosby	Jan 2012	#100
No, I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that minors have the right to	MineralMan	Jan 2012	#101
I see the difference	Mosby	Jan 2012	#102
What if she wanted the abortion and parents didn't? What if they were willing to support her&baby	uppityperson	Jan 2012	#145
I wonder how much influence is being put on her	hamsterjill	Jan 2012	#103
No enough information yet	obamanut2012	Jan 2012	#108
I'd like to know about he cousin who assaulted her, cousin who claimed mentally unstable	uppityperson	Jan 2012	#146
Marking this for follow up....	my2sense	Jan 2012	#109
This is a tough one.	Texasgal	Jan 2012	#110
Not seeing whom she got pregnant by	The Straight Story	Jan 2012	#111
If the male was 14, did he break the law, too?	moriah	Jan 2012	#115
I think it is still a legal issue.	Texasgal	Jan 2012	#116
Kinda farked if it's that way.	moriah	Jan 2012	#117
No, it wasn't illegal	Nevernose	Jan 2012	#119
What if it were reversed, she wanted abortion, parents said no? Would you agree they need to make	uppityperson	Jan 2012	#147
What if her parents are alternative medicine nutjobs	Hippo_Tron	Jan 2012	#167
The girl should be able to have choice but then if the parents	marlakay	Jan 2012	#118
It would be an abdication of responsibility to put their daughter in foster care. It would	Liquorice	Jan 2012	#124
Im friends with this gal	Charlemagne	Jan 2012	#125
Wow.	ehrnst	Jan 2012	#127
I will tell you what kind of parent	marlakay	Jan 2012	#137
Foster care is tough to find for teens - let alone a pregnant teen. (nt)	ehrnst	Jan 2012	#129
This 2012. There should be no such thing as a 'forced abortion' n/t	Tx4obama	Jan 2012	#121
There isn't. Coerced, perhaps - but no one will strap you to a table	ehrnst	Jan 2012	#126
And you're playing word games.	moriah	Jan 2012	#164
The ANTI's are the ones playing the word games here - I'm just stating the absurdity of logic.	ehrnst	Jan 2012	#170
Nobody should be forced to get an abortion. I wonder who the	Liquorice	Jan 2012	#123
Statutory rape is seldom prosecuted if the two are of similar age.	ehrnst	Jan 2012	#128
Forcing her to get an abortion would just drive her further into the hands of the anti-choicers.	Odin2005	Jan 2012	#132
They can't force her to have an abortion - no one will perform one	ehrnst	Jan 2012	#134
More information here:	ehrnst	Jan 2012	#135
If you support the right of a 14 year-old to choose an abortion	Yo_Mama	Jan 2012	#139
This seems cut and dry. Unless she is petitioning for emancipation, the family can control their	Suji to Seoul	Jan 2012	#143
reverse the situation. What if she wanted an abortion, parent said no. Is that ok with you, "family	uppityperson	Jan 2012	#149
reverse the situation: Yes, I would say the same thing!	Suji to Seoul	Jan 2012	#150
To clarify, parents should be able to make pregnant minor have the child, deny an abortion.	uppityperson	Jan 2012	#151
If the parents were parents at all, the kid would not be doing it.	Suji to Seoul	Jan 2012	#152
You did read that the cousins grabbed her by her throat, struck and threatened to beat her more...	uppityperson	Jan 2012	#153
Having the sex talk with your kids and making birth control accessible to them does not	Arkansas Granny	Jan 2012	#157
Exactly! She's 14. The family can control her and don't need her permission.	hughee99	Jan 2012	#154
What if the family are a bunch of crazy alternative medicine nutjobs	Hippo_Tron	Jan 2012	#166
Depends on the state	Sgent	Jan 2012	#184
When I was training as an EMT	mrs_p	Jan 2012	#148
We're all about pro-choice, right?	Canuckistanian	Jan 2012	#165
And it will be. The Anti lawyers state that her family can "force her to have an abortion"	ehrnst	Jan 2012	#174
Very informative, thanks	Canuckistanian	Jan 2012	#181
The original story in the newspaper pulls mostly from the "pro-life" lawyer's news release	ehrnst	Jan 2012	#176
The case has been "resolved"	ehrnst	Jan 2012	#182

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