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jberryhill

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36. It's illegal pretty much everywhere in the US

Mon Jan 9, 2012, 02:35 PM

Jan 2012

And there doesn't seem to be any groundswell of support for changing that any time soon.

So that one seems to be pretty much covered.

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Prostitution is Violence [View all] redqueen Jan 2012 OP

What is this vioence that you speak of? Pacafishmate Jan 2012 #1

You are unaware that prostitutes are beaten, redqueen Jan 2012 #3

You typed the title, only you know what I meant. Pacafishmate Jan 2012 #6

Drugs are not people. redqueen Jan 2012 #11

ONLY because it is Illegal FreakinDJ Jan 2012 #8

Untrue. redqueen Jan 2012 #9

Women in all professions are assaulted and murdered, how much more often TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #335

Prostitutes have a death rate 400% higher than women in any other profession. redqueen Jan 2012 #337

is having a man a biological necessity for a woman? i guess the same demand is there for male seabeyond Jan 2012 #13

Women have not been socialized to have this particular type of entitlement. redqueen Jan 2012 #19

the poster state having a body was a biological necessity. i am assuming he means both genders. seabeyond Jan 2012 #23

Oh ugh, I missed that edit. redqueen Jan 2012 #27

Sex is a biological necessity. If someone can't get it without buying Pacafishmate Jan 2012 #44

No, release is a need. Sex with another person is not. redqueen Jan 2012 #52

how is it a necessity? does one DIE without sex? Scout Jan 2012 #53

Technically speaking, even food, water, and shelter are not necessities. ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #440

then again i ask, what about all those women that dont have a man? where is the necessity for the seabeyond Jan 2012 #69

There is no such necessity. Almost no women ever buy male prostitutes. Zalatix Jan 2012 #104

so, it is not biological necessity for women, but is for man? it is not biological necessity for seabeyond Jan 2012 #109

Huh? Sex is not a biological necessity for either species. That said, Zalatix Jan 2012 #118

really? and you would know this why? cause you are a man? as a woman, i say you are wrong seabeyond Jan 2012 #121

Anecdotally speaking? I don't see too many celibate nuns getting pregnant, or molesting kids. Zalatix Jan 2012 #127

maybe women are raised in a manner we do not feel the same entitlement and make do with a seabeyond Jan 2012 #130

"for either species" Boojatta Jan 2012 #176

Yes, I booboo'd. I meant, either GENDER, not species! Zalatix Jan 2012 #187

It's not a necessity for either. dawg Jan 2012 #183

i agree. thanks. nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #194

The fact that I'm not dead is proof that I'm right. dawg Jan 2012 #199

me, too. me, too. but them days are long past seabeyond Jan 2012 #201

So the Dali Lama is a zombie? And all those nuns teaching in catholic schools? Matariki Jan 2012 #197

They will? What's wrong with Rosy Palm and her five daughters? n/t eridani Jan 2012 #246

Self service FrodosPet Feb 2012 #438

While not nearly as common, there are male prostitutes who MineralMan Jan 2012 #124

it is easy enough for me to agree with all you say. it is obvious seabeyond Jan 2012 #132

good luck with that nonsense iverglas Jan 2012 #64

"suggesting that men seek out prostitutes in order to propagate the species." Boojatta Jan 2012 #184

+10000000000000 Fawke Em Jan 2012 #2

Marriage ='s violence surfdog Jan 2012 #4

Nice straw man, but no. lapislzi Jan 2012 #45

Prostitution is customer service work. Lance_Boyle Jan 2012 #5

Increasing demand for taxi drivers, overnight workers, etc. is in no way like increasing demand for redqueen Jan 2012 #12

key word = 'underground' Lance_Boyle Jan 2012 #22

How does that undo anything? Where it is legal, demand goes up. redqueen Jan 2012 #31

Not necessarily lapislzi Jan 2012 #48

Does Nevada have a higher rate of victimized trafficked people than the other 49 states? Freddie Stubbs Jan 2012 #103

well, someone has written a book on that subject iverglas Jan 2012 #134

I'd like to know how many times Farley has to be discredited LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #255

Her work is controversial. redqueen Jan 2012 #288

Depends on how you view the term discredited LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #362

Thankfully there are thousands of human rights workers who agree with Dr. Farley. redqueen Jan 2012 #364

I generally do disagree with outright liars LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #367

I can differentiate between lies and facts, thank you. redqueen Jan 2012 #370

She has discredited herself. kiva Jan 2012 #374

And there are many other researchers who agree. redqueen Jan 2012 #376

But the researcher in question was Farley. kiva Jan 2012 #380

Try addressing post #155 LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #381

You're asserting that when people agree with you, they're citing facts, redqueen Jan 2012 #383

No, LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #393

You claim that she's making prostitutes a lesser. redqueen Jan 2012 #395

You are refusing to distinguish between consent and force. LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #413

You're twisting words, misrepresenting arguments, and ignoring my points redqueen Jan 2012 #424

Only one county in Nevada (which does not include Vegas) has legalized prostitution PVnRT Jan 2012 #275

It's actually only illegal in 5 counties LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #371

I don't think you read the post you're responsing to.... daleanime Jan 2012 #26

Sex buyers who refuse to use condoms, enjoy inflicting pain, or enjoy practices legal prostitutes redqueen Jan 2012 #33

Why not? daleanime Jan 2012 #41

Why can I not simply write them off as collateral damage? redqueen Jan 2012 #47

If I was a sex worker in a world where sex work was legal lapislzi Jan 2012 #57

Do you disagree with the widely-held opinion that most sex workers come from backgrounds of abuse? redqueen Jan 2012 #62

Haven't seen the stats, but it seems logical lapislzi Jan 2012 #71

what happens is the demand increases, not that many women willing to be prostitutes seabeyond Jan 2012 #83

Just like marijuana. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #377

Hah! YOU think you'd have some CHOICE in the matter? Remember Me Jan 2012 #256

Of course they prefer better working conditions PVnRT Jan 2012 #276

Taxi driving and prostitution FrodosPet Feb 2012 #439

I have yet to hear of a customer service worker who was beaten or killed for "poor performance". whathehell Jan 2012 #72

I'm sorry, but: sez you iverglas Jan 2012 #85

You seem to be under the impression that words can mean whatever you want them to mean. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #7

Prostitution in Mexico Zorra Jan 2012 #112

since you cite Melissa Farley ;) iverglas Jan 2012 #141

First, about Andrea --- FALSE! Remember Me Jan 2012 #260

Right. It was qualified as All Sex is Rape "under patriarchy", which, in Dworkin/Mackinnon-land, Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #264

yes warren, consistently your argument. attack a womans sexuality to shut her up. not tired of it seabeyond Jan 2012 #273

and where did I do that? Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #363

easy, anyway. lol. nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #366

No, you're quite wrong -- and clearly didn't read the Snopes article Remember Me Jan 2012 #434

Andrea Dworkin: "intercourse itself may be immune to reform" Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #435

Oh, I see. If YOU don't understand it, don't get it, she must be mentally ill. Remember Me Jan 2012 #436

Andrea Dworkin, "Intercourse" (1987) ISBN 0-684-83239-9 Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #437

Are you suggesting that any job subject to violence should be banned? brooklynite Jan 2012 #10

legally doing those jobs creates a demand of child bartender slaves? nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #15

So then, you want to ban all agricultural workers... brooklynite Jan 2012 #32

it would be companies, not workers and yes, that is doable to go after the companies. seabeyond Jan 2012 #87

If those jobs drove up demand for underground services redqueen Jan 2012 #16

Where is the evidence that legalization of prostitution increases the demand for underground EOTE Jan 2012 #65

All over the place. redqueen Jan 2012 #74

I was looking for evidence, not a claim. NT EOTE Jan 2012 #79

It has been widely accepted information for years. redqueen Jan 2012 #90

Widely accepted by whom? People who like to make claims with zero evidence to back them? EOTE Jan 2012 #92

The UN, the US State Department, etc. redqueen Jan 2012 #108

Ignore what? Claims made with zero evidence for them? EOTE Jan 2012 #113

You realize that is not evidence, right? joeglow3 Jan 2012 #81

See post 90. redqueen Jan 2012 #91

What studies? You haven't linked to any studies. Please provide them. NT EOTE Jan 2012 #94

This has been so widely accepted for so long that individual studies are not cited by the UN, the redqueen Jan 2012 #111

Ahhhh, so it's just common knowledge, right? EOTE Jan 2012 #116

Except you are analogous to the global warming deniers in this argument. redqueen Jan 2012 #123

Wrong. The global warming deniers don't need any factual support of their argument, they say it's EOTE Jan 2012 #129

Right, the UN and US Dept of State (and many other orgs) always accept claims with no evidence. redqueen Jan 2012 #136

So surely you should be able to provide this evidence, right? EOTE Jan 2012 #155

As I keep telling you, these most progressive countries.... redqueen Jan 2012 #175

What you provided was a claim by a person. That's a joke. EOTE Jan 2012 #180

Give it up. You are pissing in the wind. joeglow3 Jan 2012 #203

I would have thought she'd be a bit less overt about it. EOTE Jan 2012 #209

ah, the ole 'emotion' ploy. Whisp Jan 2012 #400

What else would you call it when you're willing to allow women to be subjegated EOTE Jan 2012 #414

. Whisp Jan 2012 #423

Yes, I'd definitely agree with that. NT EOTE Jan 2012 #425

redqueen - Zorra Jan 2012 #14

first google i came across seabeyond Jan 2012 #17

There are tons of links here. redqueen Jan 2012 #18

Oh, that's much easier than I anticipated. Thanks sb and rq. Zorra Jan 2012 #20

Looks like your link doesn't support your conclusion joeglow3 Jan 2012 #25

The link from Wikipedia that is used to source that assertion does not say what is claimed. redqueen Jan 2012 #40

So, now you are picking and choosing what parts of YOUR citation are accurate. joeglow3 Jan 2012 #51

That wasn't my citation. redqueen Jan 2012 #54

Oh, so when someone asked for support, your response is "go find it yourself." joeglow3 Jan 2012 #66

That person found the information they wanted easily. redqueen Jan 2012 #80

Some people will twist themselves in knots to avoid saying "oops" DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #382

check out the Talk wiki page on that article ;) iverglas Jan 2012 #142

Interesting paper here zappaman Jan 2012 #21

The problem is the way men are socialized. To feel that they are entitled to sex. redqueen Jan 2012 #24

"The problem is the way men are socialized. To feel that they are entitled to sex." Occulus Jan 2012 #34

Many men feel that they are entitled to sex. redqueen Jan 2012 #42

Agreed. whathehell Jan 2012 #78

The problem is the way women are socialized, Lance_Boyle Jan 2012 #96

A fricking men! raccoon Jan 2012 #35

All prostitution underground vs some prostitution underground lapislzi Jan 2012 #59

No, you can't wave a wand redqueen Jan 2012 #169

It's a thorny problem lapislzi Jan 2012 #182

"women and their bodies are property, commodities to be bought, sold, and owned" redqueen Jan 2012 #192

While I agree with you in principle, prostitution has been around for millennia. lapislzi Jan 2012 #318

Patriarchy has been around for millennia. redqueen Jan 2012 #321

"To feel that they are entitled to sex." You win the thread. Odin2005 Jan 2012 #285

Ha, no, I'm just one of a small handful of anti-sex, pearl-clutching, hysterical prudes, redqueen Jan 2012 #289

The "anti-sex" crap is why I'm convinced that the "Sexual Revolution" was a failure. Odin2005 Jan 2012 #298

We went from "woman as virgin" to "woman as whore". seabeyond Jan 2012 #305

You know what's really telling... redqueen Jan 2012 #317

free love was never free for women. Whisp Jan 2012 #387

Exactly. Odin2005 Jan 2012 #402

I'm not too fond of the Bring home the bacon and fry it in the Pan idea too Whisp Jan 2012 #403

would that include each and every rape that the increased demand would cause sex slave and child sex seabeyond Jan 2012 #28

A few questions joeglow3 Jan 2012 #38

It isn't that it creates more pedophiles. redqueen Jan 2012 #49

So, if outlawing abortion led to a reduction in child rapes, you would support that as well? joeglow3 Jan 2012 #55

are there really men in the US who do not have access to prostitutes? iverglas Jan 2012 #56

Certainly I see your point in the case of unregulated street walkers JohnnyRingo Jan 2012 #29

Most actresses in porn also come from abusive backgrounds. redqueen Jan 2012 #67

Is that true? zappaman Jan 2012 #76

Point taken, but I still find the subject of regulation debatable JohnnyRingo Jan 2012 #77

why leave it for another thread? Same deal, you don't agree with the choices they make Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #267

I have a feeling that redqueen finds prostitution "icky" RevStPatrick Jan 2012 #30

so RedQueen is just uptight and hates sex? zazen Jan 2012 #50

so RevStPatrick supports exploiting women and rape? joeglow3 Jan 2012 #60

I don't entirely agree with the good reverend... JohnnyRingo Jan 2012 #88

no, on DU we are definitely NOT beyond that line of argument... Scout Jan 2012 #68

i have been told that so often and so many times.... hey, just last night. that is what 2nd wave seabeyond Jan 2012 #97

We're also not beyond the argument that all sex workers must be psychologically damaged..... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2012 #221

Who said "all"? redqueen Jan 2012 #222

Oh, so you admit there are at least some who willingly participate of their own free will? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2012 #224

All I'm saying is that our priority as a society, IMO, redqueen Jan 2012 #227

"oh, well" ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2012 #236

"And if that infringes on some people who want to sell their bodies or buy access to other people's Occulus Jan 2012 #240

Like I said, IMO our primary responsibility as a society is to protect those redqueen Jan 2012 #58

there are whole countries with this "attitude". those draconians countries like sweden, denmark. seabeyond Jan 2012 #93

It's illegal pretty much everywhere in the US jberryhill Jan 2012 #36

No, it isn't pretty much covered. We are not sufficiently focusing on demand. redqueen Jan 2012 #95

Sending people to jail over paying for or accepting money for sex is silly. phleshdef Jan 2012 #37

You are obviously unfamiliar with the Swedish method of dealing with prostitution. redqueen Jan 2012 #98

I really don't give a shit. You shouldn't go to jail for paying for sex either. phleshdef Jan 2012 #135

The many victims of human trafficking thank you for your concern, I'm sure. (nt) redqueen Jan 2012 #140

Wow, thats a whole field of strawmen right there. Human traffickers should rot in prison. phleshdef Jan 2012 #150

fact disagrees with you. hence the point of the OP. nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #151

It has nothing to do with facts. Its none of your god damn business what consenting adults do. phleshdef Jan 2012 #159

What bullshit? redqueen Jan 2012 #154

Correlation does not imply causation. phleshdef Jan 2012 #161

It's not "my" logic. redqueen Jan 2012 #163

And I'd tell them, straight to their faces, they have no business arresting and locking up people... phleshdef Jan 2012 #167

I'm sure that your personal opinions would carry more weight redqueen Jan 2012 #171

Yea, its SO god damn progressive to arrest people for not doing anything wrong. phleshdef Jan 2012 #177

After reading a lot of the trafficking numbers from different countries LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #385

That makes perfect sense. More focus on catching traffickers = more known traffickers. phleshdef Jan 2012 #397

And exactly what does human trafficking, as horrible as it is, have to do with Occulus Jan 2012 #241

Many of those prostitutes are trafficked. redqueen Jan 2012 #349

that is why you decriminalize being a prostitute and go after the buyer. as sweden has done and seabeyond Jan 2012 #100

Is there a study on violence and the bunny ranch? (nt) The Straight Story Jan 2012 #39

See my post #255 LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #262

I just have a couple of questions about this. Arkansas Granny Jan 2012 #43

See my response #70 below. closeupready Jan 2012 #73

1. That is a very good question. redqueen Jan 2012 #107

Having lived in Holland where prostitution is legal FlaGatorJD Jan 2012 #46

What is "illegal" as far as prostitution goes in Holland? whathehell Jan 2012 #84

Legal prostitutes are registered and located in known areas. FlaGatorJD Jan 2012 #287

Just curious: whathehell Jan 2012 #361

Holland may not be the best example. girl gone mad Jan 2012 #101

There is always problems with regulation FlaGatorJD Jan 2012 #292

so, you went from, everything is bless to there are problems". which is exactly the point seabeyond Jan 2012 #295

Not exactly, the OP title states prostitution is violence FlaGatorJD Jan 2012 #306

It's a metaphor. Jeez is it really so hard to get? redqueen Jan 2012 #311

ok. you cant get past the title. fuck the rest of what was said. holland has a seabeyond Jan 2012 #312

I don't see the need for anger or a crass response FlaGatorJD Jan 2012 #341

but you did not say that. did you. you go after the title and misrepresented what is happening seabeyond Jan 2012 #345

The Netherlands is listed by the UNODC as a top destination for victims of human trafficking seabeyond Jan 2012 #106

No response to this, of course. redqueen Jan 2012 #291

What kind of response did you want? LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #389

Yes, that developing country is totally analogous redqueen Jan 2012 #392

OK then LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #394

I don't believe that anyone should EVER be forced to particpate in ANYTHING they don't want to Douglas Carpenter Jan 2012 #61

So let me get this straight: Eliminator Jan 2012 #63

This weekend, I re-watched the documentary on Aileen Wuornos, closeupready Jan 2012 #70

Yes....Her background, starting when she was abandoned by her parents at 13 yrs old, was atrocious. whathehell Jan 2012 #86

Yes, watching her story from 20+ years on, it seemed really clear to me. closeupready Jan 2012 #105

Exactly. n/t whathehell Jan 2012 #110

Masturbation should be good enough VWolf Jan 2012 #75

How Do You Get Any Work Done? DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2012 #173

I've got two hands. N/t VWolf Jan 2012 #277

For resisting Prostitution Ring: "Man kidnaps woman, forces her to watch teen's torture slay" whathehell Jan 2012 #82

SO much for allowing someone to sell themselves if they want Froward69 Jan 2012 #89

Your body, your choice only applies to one thing (nt) The Straight Story Jan 2012 #114

I don't engage in discussions with anyone who compares dating with prostitution. redqueen Jan 2012 #117

Prostitution is irrelevant to the issue of men abusing women. phleshdef Jan 2012 #152

I share the opinion held by the most progressive countries on the planet, redqueen Jan 2012 #178

You hold the view of people that believe its ok to tell you what you can and can't do with your body phleshdef Jan 2012 #181

I'm not here to "win" an argument. redqueen Jan 2012 #188

"I don't need lists of numbers and statistics" EOTE Jan 2012 #190

Since you're now just outright calling me a liar and claiming I don't know what I'm talking about, redqueen Jan 2012 #193

You've done a plenty good job yourself at that. EOTE Jan 2012 #195

i never start with eote and if i do, seabeyond Jan 2012 #196

Theres no study that can tell me that people deserve to be arrested solely for exchanging $$$ & sex. phleshdef Jan 2012 #191

"Consensus of experts". Is that like "common wisdom"? aquart Jan 2012 #214

"ALL sex has a cost... Dinner, Movies or other date activities." ALL women prostitute seabeyond Jan 2012 #119

why is this not a surprise? DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #379

lol, why is that not so surprising? nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #384

Right. That's what I am asking of you. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #386

why would i call out a poster that implies all women are prostitutes one way or another? now, why seabeyond Jan 2012 #416

"for the most part" iverglas Jan 2012 #157

It sounds like a workable solution to the problem where the women Cleita Jan 2012 #99

Unfortunately there has been many studies over the years and this is what we know: Harmony Blue Jan 2012 #102

knowledgeable progressive voices agree iverglas Jan 2012 #115

Thank you very, very much for your posts on this issue. redqueen Jan 2012 #120

iverglas and redqueen ChazII Jan 2012 #170

It is my pleasure to do so. And I'm so very sorry for your neighbor's daughter... redqueen Jan 2012 #172

thank you, too iverglas Jan 2012 #174

Honest question pipoman Jan 2012 #244

The daughter was kidnapped in retaliation to ChazII Jan 2012 #263

+ one zillion musette_sf Jan 2012 #202

Politically incorrect response, I'll probably be hung for this... Zalatix Jan 2012 #122

and this is true also, and should be a part of the equation. seabeyond Jan 2012 #128

I'm at a loss as to how to make prostitution go away. I'd like to see it go away. Zalatix Jan 2012 #131

agreed. sweden has hit on something that is helping. it certainly is not eliminating it seabeyond Jan 2012 #133

well, we can put an end to "gold digging" by rich old farts hanging on to their money... Scout Jan 2012 #153

As long as value is assigned to the sex act as a commodity lapislzi Jan 2012 #185

i had no problem escaping the economics of it seabeyond Jan 2012 #198

They can all move to the shengen special economic zone and work for Foxconn. Warren Stupidity Jan 2012 #257

The problem is that prohibiting or legalizing prostitution doesn't address the problem Zalatix Jan 2012 #419

saltpeter Warren Stupidity Jan 2012 #420

Prostitution is a contractual relationship. Profit may be theft, but it isn't necessarily assault. leveymg Jan 2012 #125

You provide no actual data to back up your claims. originalpckelly Jan 2012 #126

There is so much data on this that it is now common knowledge for such disreputable organizations redqueen Jan 2012 #138

Prostitution is inextricably associated with violence. MineralMan Jan 2012 #137

Yes, it is a metaphor. A common one used by those who are activists in this area. redqueen Jan 2012 #139

Sex and black markets are both inextricably associated with violence. phleshdef Jan 2012 #156

Prostitution is part of the black market in the US. MineralMan Jan 2012 #160

People are subject to danger and exploitation of violence just by walking down the street... phleshdef Jan 2012 #165

Indirectly people are yes, not directly Rex Jan 2012 #411

Prostitution involving consenting adults does not need to be illegal in order to protect children phleshdef Jan 2012 #421

"I have no doubt that most experience violence at some point" Boojatta Jan 2012 #212

But, you see, I'm not talking about police officers. The topic in this thread MineralMan Jan 2012 #249

The vast majority of prostitution pipoman Jan 2012 #259

"Human rights expert says supporting prostitution is violence against women" redqueen Jan 2012 #143

Prostitution should be legal. bowens43 Jan 2012 #144

Did you read anything about the topic? redqueen Jan 2012 #145

Your mind is clearly made up on the subject. EOTE Jan 2012 #158

Yes, those stupid Scandinavian countries, redqueen Jan 2012 #164

Making up what, exactly? You've still yet to provide a single scientific study on the matter. EOTE Jan 2012 #168

Who needs any study? Its a question of personal liberty. phleshdef Jan 2012 #186

I would certainly agree with this. EOTE Jan 2012 #189

Something left out of the discussion so far. RC Jan 2012 #146

A hug from a family member or friend fulfills the need for touch. redqueen Jan 2012 #147

It's pretty clear to me you have no concept of what a sex therapist.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2012 #223

Sex is not a need. redqueen Jan 2012 #229

Do you believe that sex enriches one's life and is part of a complete human experience? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2012 #234

Yes, so does art. And music. And games. redqueen Jan 2012 #235

Have you given up sex, to show it's not a need? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2012 #238

No, but I have given it up for years redqueen Jan 2012 #239

You're the one who compared sex to music and art ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2012 #243

Of course not. It is the sale of access to the person's body that commodifies them. redqueen Jan 2012 #293

The sex is part of the touch. RC Jan 2012 #258

Sex is way more than just touch. redqueen Jan 2012 #304

You can say this comfortably because you've had sex ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2012 #396

and the reason women are not buying men at the same rate? they are all that, too. nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #149

Biologically, women have more at stake (pregnancy), so they are more choosey. RC Jan 2012 #162

well... seabeyond Jan 2012 #166

I think your view is a little too stark but I get the point ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2012 #232

Prostitution should be legalized.. Upton Jan 2012 #148

No it isn't! DeathToTheOil Jan 2012 #179

"entitlement" is thinking that it's your job to tell consenting adults what sorts of Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #200

is there the remotest chance ... iverglas Jan 2012 #211

Stop pretending Eliminator Jan 2012 #215

it's the number two cheerleader iverglas Jan 2012 #216

I'll take "Zen Telegrams" for 400, Alex! Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #219

Square Boobs! Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #218

"Anything remotely sexual involving a woman is sexist" redqueen Jan 2012 #225

No. But anything involving a man being sexually attracted to a woman, particularly on the basis of Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #268

Wrong again. redqueen Jan 2012 #278

I'm trying to imagine a thread where men expressing admiration for a sexy, scantily clad female Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #365

On a forum or in a place that was intended for people to objectify women. redqueen Jan 2012 #368

You've decided that it's your job to enter that "safe space" to helpfully tell men Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #372

You are so sure you know what other people are thinking... redqueen Jan 2012 #373

what makes you so sure the men in the men's group aren't capable of opening our own Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #375

I didn't say ANYTHING about what *I* think. redqueen Jan 2012 #378

and there are plenty of *gasp* women and feminists who identify as sex positive Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #404

In fact, part of the reason for the third wave was a rejection of attitudes such as the OPs stevenleser Jan 2012 #408

All you seem to do, these days, is accuse people of lying about you or other people Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #217

odd - and there you go again iverglas Jan 2012 #220

I don't think they're intending to lie or misrepresent arguments. redqueen Jan 2012 #226

oh, I'm not talking about that iverglas Jan 2012 #231

Ah yes, you're right. redqueen Jan 2012 #233

I have to begone iverglas Jan 2012 #242

LOL! redqueen Jan 2012 #294

I have a question. Boojatta Jan 2012 #248

simple answer iverglas Jan 2012 #251

Well, I don't know that I qualify for non-random status myself. Boojatta Jan 2012 #254

You also thought the 'random person' was misrepresenting your objection to a thread Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #266

"your face goes here" Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #269

Since slavery and prostitution go hand and hand Rex Jan 2012 #204

Slavery and labor often go hand in hand too. I guess we should arrest people for working. phleshdef Jan 2012 #228

Not really what you said is silly. Rex Jan 2012 #410

Um no, what you're saying is based on puritanical bullshit that seeks to control people's bodies. phleshdef Jan 2012 #422

Quite the diatribe there.. pipoman Jan 2012 #205

What's the point in linking to advocacy groups? redqueen Jan 2012 #206

Countries with legalized prostitution have 257% less violence due to the sex-trade. EOTE Jan 2012 #207

this is no diferrent than the drug war - prohibition leads to black markets leads to arely staircase Jan 2012 #208

I disagree. See posts 182 and 192. redqueen Jan 2012 #210

that is a good argument for better regulation, but not for going back to an arely staircase Jan 2012 #213

Demand also goes up in countries where they allow people to have sex at all. phleshdef Jan 2012 #230

Germany is one of the few countries that has solid data on the subject before and after legalization EOTE Jan 2012 #282

Are the Germans doing something different or is it just an anomaly? TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #329

I would suspect it has something to do with reporting issues. redqueen Jan 2012 #330

70% Rise in German Sex Trafficking Due to Legal Prostitution? seabeyond Jan 2012 #334

This is why I didn't do the link thing in the OP. redqueen Jan 2012 #338

i get that. certainly. i am not gonna concede all is bless in germany. nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #346

This is the link that the article drew from LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #391

. seabeyond Jan 2012 #418

This got posted upthread LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #430

Is this your monthly or semi-annual anti-prostitution thread? RetroLounge Jan 2012 #237

Aw, your obsession with me is cute. redqueen Jan 2012 #296

it is the fact that you dared to speak out in ONE op that has some rattled. nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #297

So a reply to you is now an obsession? RetroLounge Jan 2012 #405

No, you imagining scenarios where I'm posting monthly or semi-annually redqueen Jan 2012 #426

Once again, all you say is something is evidence RetroLounge Jan 2012 #431

Yep, exactly. Your'e just talking nonsense. redqueen Jan 2012 #432

Obsess much? RetroLounge Jan 2012 #433

One new thought and a summary of what I read maggiesfarmer Jan 2012 #245

i supported legalization until i didnt. seabeyond Jan 2012 #247

Great post LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #261

thanks for continuing the discussion in a rational manner, very helpful sources... maggiesfarmer Jan 2012 #272

I haven't seen anything, anywhere suggesting LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #406

the photo IS touching, but I can't help but wonder about her posing for a photograph maggiesfarmer Jan 2012 #415

There comes a point of frustration where you just don't care anymore. LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #427

ok, I finally got around to digging through your sources maggiesfarmer Jan 2012 #417

I'd like to see that study done too LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #428

I call BS on the OP; greiner3 Jan 2012 #250

Having read a fair amount of research done kiva Jan 2012 #252

I have no opinion on this that I want to share on DU but... justiceischeap Jan 2012 #283

I think if there were problems they would eventually kiva Jan 2012 #315

I knew this thread would be gold. flvegan Jan 2012 #253

Always. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #265

so is football lovemydog Jan 2012 #270

Simply because a profession has some risk of violence, redqueen Jan 2012 #299

I saw a special about a year ago ohheckyeah Jan 2012 #271

Where did I say "eliminate prostitution"? The Swedish method of reducing violence against women redqueen Jan 2012 #300

I didn't say you did. ohheckyeah Jan 2012 #353

SMH Mr Dixon Jan 2012 #274

It's not my plan. It's working in Sweden. redqueen Jan 2012 #301

Amazing how few can discuss this rationally without resorting to ad hominems and strawmen PVnRT Jan 2012 #279

I wish it was amazing. It is, instead, sadly typical. redqueen Jan 2012 #302

What kind of feminism Upton Jan 2012 #280

It seems that most people are not familiar with the Swedish redqueen Jan 2012 #281

I haven't kept up with this thread. randome Jan 2012 #284

No, not in relation to sex. redqueen Jan 2012 #303

Here. randome Jan 2012 #339

So you think the idea that some men absolutely must use another person's body redqueen Jan 2012 #340

Everyone is different. randome Jan 2012 #343

The terms are used in the context of describing a very specific idea. redqueen Jan 2012 #348

Why Would Demand Go Up When It's Legal? Yavin4 Jan 2012 #286

sweden not only arrests and fines, but puts picture of jon in paper. demand goes down. there are seabeyond Jan 2012 #290

"...social pressure off, demand goes up" That's The Exact Same Argument Against Allowing Gays... Yavin4 Jan 2012 #307

absurd assumption with no factual evidence to support it. seabeyond Jan 2012 #313

Your Argument Is Very Similar To the Pope's Argument Yavin4 Jan 2012 #323

In This Crapo Economy DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2012 #308

And that's probably a wonderful thing, to some people. redqueen Jan 2012 #309

Hating on the Job Creators vminfla Jan 2012 #310

yes, and you can be the first new prostitute, sucking off stangers for your lunch money, yay! n/t Scout Jan 2012 #316

sorry, I make more money than 93.6% of Americans vminfla Jan 2012 #333

i don't think you'll need one, have at it n/t Scout Jan 2012 #409

I have lived in countries where prostitution is legal (South Korea being one of them) Suji to Seoul Jan 2012 #314

That's simply untrue. redqueen Jan 2012 #319

Do a little living in other countries as I have for the past six years, you will learn alot too Suji to Seoul Jan 2012 #324

LOL...classic... I prove you wrong, I get ignored. redqueen Jan 2012 #331

lol. . .no, again. . .live in other countries and get off your high horse Suji to Seoul Jan 2012 #407

No prostitution is prostition. Violence is violence. ddeclue Jan 2012 #320

It's a metaphor. See post 143. (nt) redqueen Jan 2012 #322

an inaccurate one. ddeclue Jan 2012 #326

Did you read the post about the human rights expert? redqueen Jan 2012 #327

I just did. Facts are facts. The two words mean different things. ddeclue Jan 2012 #328

Constant male bashing? redqueen Jan 2012 #332

Prostitution is illegal about everywhere in the country, it doesn't seem to be working at all. TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #325

In Sweden only buying sex is criminalized. redqueen Jan 2012 #336

You Keep Citing Sweden, But Offer No Hard Evidence That It's Working Yavin4 Jan 2012 #342

Like I keep saying, link battles are IMO not productive. redqueen Jan 2012 #344

Link battles aren't productive IYO, because no objective data illustrates your point. EOTE Jan 2012 #352

Not just police entrapment, but entrapment in general. EOTE Jan 2012 #351

What about the men who are raped of their money? Burgman Jan 2012 #347

"What about the men who are raped of their money? " redqueen Jan 2012 #350

Now calling me out as a racist? Burgman Jan 2012 #355

No, I didn't call you out as a racist. GMAFB. redqueen Jan 2012 #357

Tell me. what is "GMAFB?" Burgman Jan 2012 #359

It means redqueen Jan 2012 #360

I have known some lovely "prostitutes" in my life. Burgman Jan 2012 #354

Ay Caramba Dude... LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #412

Culture of violence against men Charlemagne Jan 2012 #356

This is a topic for another thread, though. redqueen Jan 2012 #358

Ignorance is Strength! tabasco Jan 2012 #369

Can you provide some harder data on these questions? JackRiddler Jan 2012 #388

There are many studies. redqueen Jan 2012 #390

so is it a wash, then? tnvoter Jan 2012 #399

occupational hazards abound tnvoter Jan 2012 #398

Prostitution has moved to the internet anyway ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2012 #401

What people enjoy is what they enjoy and as long as it's consensual and involves adults, whatever. arely staircase Jan 2012 #429