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sabrina 1

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109. Maybe Dems should change their label to 'Independent' and run on the issues people
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 08:23 PM
Sep 2012

actually care about. To continue with this never-changing system of repeating over and over again what clearly has not worked for a majority of ordinary people, is ridiculous. Republicans have had no problem imposing their disastrous policies on this and on other countries.

Dems are too fearful, too timid, too afraid to challenge them and so we repeat the same dysfunctional cycle year after year, each year moving the country more to the right.

Has anyone even tried to come out swinging for the issues that people show, over and over again, in poll after poll, that they care about?

These arguments make no sense to me. Run on issues that people care about and you win.

I think this now growing so old 'pragmatism' argument is killing this country. It has turned Dems, although NOT Repubs, into a party that is always compromising, always moving a step further to the right just so 'we can all get along'.

I don't want to get along with Republicans. They have no good ideas and the American public agrees by a huge majority when they are asked about those ideas.

Yes no_hypocrisy Sep 2012 #1
Who cares? DURHAM D Sep 2012 #2
Exactly, let's win this election first. FSogol Sep 2012 #35
Well said. Xipe Totec Sep 2012 #102
Yes. liberalmuse Sep 2012 #3
I hope so. TheCowsCameHome Sep 2012 #4
Yes. and she would be a shoo-in if Obama wins and the economy makes a complete or almost complete still_one Sep 2012 #5
Just like Bill Clinton did and then Gore won? joeybee12 Sep 2012 #86
In that case, it depends on if the 2016 Republican candidate's brother is a state governor tarheelsunc Sep 2012 #93
Let's get through this election riverbendviewgal Sep 2012 #6
+1 Blue_Tires Sep 2012 #9
OMG sdfernando Sep 2012 #30
I'm sorry to hear this OhioChick Sep 2012 #48
Yes, and she will. She's taking the next four years to start her campaign n/t LovePeacock Sep 2012 #7
Unless the GOP re-brands itself between now and then.... WCGreen Sep 2012 #8
Guranteed they'll work with President Obama a little bit this next cycle. LovePeacock Sep 2012 #12
My immediate thought is "Gee, I hope not." Jackpine Radical Sep 2012 #10
Ain't gonna happen. The United States hates liberalism. LovePeacock Sep 2012 #13
Wrong, all polls taken on issues show that America IS Liberal. sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #62
On the issues, yes. But who the hell votes on the issues? Bucky Sep 2012 #100
Maybe Dems should change their label to 'Independent' and run on the issues people sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #109
America doesn't hate liberals. bluestate10 Sep 2012 #63
a real liberal will never make it. president obama has okieinpain Sep 2012 #49
I absolutely disagree. Jackpine Radical Sep 2012 #50
Yep get the red out Sep 2012 #11
Put it this way dipsydoodle Sep 2012 #14
FDR n/t LovePeacock Sep 2012 #16
Thanks dipsydoodle Sep 2012 #19
2016 is a million years away in political time Jersey Devil Sep 2012 #15
At this point who else do we have? LynneSin Sep 2012 #17
O'Malley probably Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2012 #60
O'Malley fell on his face at the DNC. bluestate10 Sep 2012 #67
early days Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2012 #68
O'Malley's speech was pretty bad tarheelsunc Sep 2012 #83
How about Sherrod Brown? Adenoid_Hynkel Sep 2012 #82
We should be so lucky. nt limpyhobbler Sep 2012 #98
No. peace13 Sep 2012 #18
Ah, 2016 is a while off, so most of us aren't really thinking about that MineralMan Sep 2012 #20
she would lose the Dem nomination in 2016 for the same reasons she lost in 2008. n/t antigop Sep 2012 #21
and two of the reasons were the constant cheerleading and sense of entitlement antigop Sep 2012 #22
This election, China is an issue. JDPriestly Sep 2012 #80
Yes, she could win the nomination and be a strong candidate in '16. HooptieWagon Sep 2012 #23
what also lost her the nomination were her anti-US worker comments on outsourcing. n/t antigop Sep 2012 #28
but what would you expect from the DLC, Third Way,......nt antigop Sep 2012 #38
I really can't believe this question keeps coming up. randome Sep 2012 #24
Yes, and big "YES" if Obama wins 2012. nt nanabugg Sep 2012 #25
No NV Whino Sep 2012 #26
I don't think you can say she doesn't want to muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #31
How much of a relationship do they really have? randome Sep 2012 #34
That's how little you know about the Clintons. Beacool Sep 2012 #53
Oh. please, I'm sure they talk lunamagica Sep 2012 #112
She has said on the past that she wasn't interested NV Whino Sep 2012 #75
Yes Laurajr Sep 2012 #27
Possible but 2016 is a LONG! ways off gopiscrap Sep 2012 #29
I really doubt that she's going to take on running for POTUS at age 68. mnhtnbb Sep 2012 #32
Stench is 65, 68 for a woman is younger than 65 for a man tarheelsunc Sep 2012 #84
I think Michelle could beat her in the primaries. Pyrzqxgl Sep 2012 #33
Michelle will not be running in 2016. Beacool Sep 2012 #55
And have Michelle Obama as her VP Bandit Sep 2012 #36
That would be an amazing ticket apples and oranges Sep 2012 #73
Post removed Post removed Sep 2012 #37
Of course... Jeff In Milwaukee Sep 2012 #41
??? But your head isn't anywhere near me! spirit-soul Sep 2012 #43
Give it a minute Jeff In Milwaukee Sep 2012 #46
Yes M_M Sep 2012 #39
Why not? Jeff In Milwaukee Sep 2012 #40
She is a war hawk. Remember her vote on the IWR and support the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2012 #42
Her IWR vote definitely mars her otherwise good record. closeupready Sep 2012 #47
No. I really hope she doesn't run. Arugula Latte Sep 2012 #44
Not falling for this again, as with Gore. She said she's not running. closeupready Sep 2012 #45
Her hubby says he "doesn't know" if she's running or not. Bucky Sep 2012 #96
By then, we may be deeply into bloody wars with Syria and Iran, and Hillary won't be much more leveymg Sep 2012 #51
I don't see the USA in bloody wars after we leave Afghanistan. bluestate10 Sep 2012 #69
You shouldn't overlook how we have escalated our role in Syria, including coordination of foreign leveymg Sep 2012 #87
What was the littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #52
no Whisp Sep 2012 #54
She was born in 1947. She will be 69 in 2016. JDPriestly Sep 2012 #79
She didn't mind that prospect in 2008. tarheelsunc Sep 2012 #85
It's the eight year timeframe you want to think about. How old will she be eight years from 2016? JDPriestly Sep 2012 #88
That may be true, but I think she is one of the exceptions tarheelsunc Sep 2012 #91
Of course I think that she could win in 2016. Beacool Sep 2012 #56
"F*ck off, ***hole" (no, not you) Proud Public Servant Sep 2012 #57
Hastings deserved Reines' response. Beacool Sep 2012 #74
Yes, but the job of a spokesman Proud Public Servant Sep 2012 #114
I plan to contribute to her campaign and vote for Clinton. bluestate10 Sep 2012 #58
YES sammytko Sep 2012 #59
Yes Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2012 #61
This message was self-deleted by its author quinnox Sep 2012 #64
too old, and she had a shot already quinnox Sep 2012 #65
I think her experience in foreign issues will be valuable Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2012 #70
Biden is serving as VP right now and he's older apples and oranges Sep 2012 #72
Yes..she is stronger and more beloved than ever. tokenlib Sep 2012 #66
Yep rock Sep 2012 #71
She'd be damn near unstoppable Adenoid_Hynkel Sep 2012 #76
Unstoppable...HA! Like she was in 2008???? Too funny. n/t antigop Sep 2012 #105
hopefully dem primary voters will be done with centrists Enrique Sep 2012 #77
yes samsingh Sep 2012 #78
Elizabeth Warren is a better bet in my opinion. JDPriestly Sep 2012 #81
That would be good. nt limpyhobbler Sep 2012 #101
But then I checked her age, and she is about the same age as Hillary. JDPriestly Sep 2012 #113
I hope not bigwillq Sep 2012 #89
God I hope not, MadHound Sep 2012 #90
I don't think this question can be answered objectively without first considering the next four yrs. cherokeeprogressive Sep 2012 #92
no, she's not a "shoe-in" if she runs. Good grief! n/t antigop Sep 2012 #106
I think so if she learned the lesson from 2008 quaker bill Sep 2012 #94
Historically, Democrats do better when we put up a fresh face Bucky Sep 2012 #95
Yes but lets win this one first madokie Sep 2012 #97
"Most of us automatically assume she's a shoo-in" ? Really? Nobody assumes that. limpyhobbler Sep 2012 #99
the onlt reason she lost 2016 DonCoquixote Sep 2012 #103
too late...she can't take back her words or her vote(s) n/t antigop Sep 2012 #107
I think you mean 2008. Beacool Sep 2012 #117
jeb bush will be elected president in 2016.. frylock Sep 2012 #104
Could win? Yes. Arctic Dave Sep 2012 #108
I hope like hell she does not seek the nomination and if she does I hope like hell she craps out TheKentuckian Sep 2012 #110
I can see your point DonCoquixote Sep 2012 #115
Piece of shit centrist?????????? Beacool Sep 2012 #116
Oh yes!!! lunamagica Sep 2012 #111
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