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In the discussion thread: Rapist wants visitation rights; teen mom fighting back [View all]

Response to antigone382 (Reply #7)

Wed Sep 26, 2012, 04:20 PM

BlueCaliDem (5,256 posts)

16. Um, "she made a personal decision to keep the child" followed by "Who knows how much pressure

she was under"?

You're twisting yourself in pretzels trying to defend this. That's what's disgusting.

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181 replies	Author	Time	Post
Rapist wants visitation rights; teen mom fighting back [View all]	Liberal_in_LA	Sep 2012	OP
Well, it's clear she is anti-abortion and now she will pay the consequences	BlueCaliDem	Sep 2012	#1
That is an appalling attitude.	antigone382	Sep 2012	#7
Um, "she made a personal decision to keep the child" followed by "Who knows how much pressure	BlueCaliDem	Sep 2012	#16
I don't really care. She shouldn't be forced to co-parent with her rapist. Period.	Care Acutely	Sep 2012	#29
Sorry. But the law says differently.	BlueCaliDem	Sep 2012	#68
what gross thoughts you have	Whisp	Sep 2012	#107
Maybe,	BlueCaliDem	Sep 2012	#113
what bullshit.	Whisp	Sep 2012	#125
it's a mistake to play God	Zygoat	Sep 2012	#162
How many times in history have we had laws that were wrong?	LiberalFighter	Sep 2012	#167
That should be the law of the land. Rapists do not get custody to the product	stevenleser	Sep 2012	#135
Considering he raped her when she was underage, why is anyone allowing him near a child?	aquart	Sep 2012	#180
So you're in favor of "choice" only when you agree with the decision?	11 Bravo	Sep 2012	#44
I agree with you completely. nt	MADem	Sep 2012	#59
No. That's what you made of it.	BlueCaliDem	Sep 2012	#116
Rape is rape	bevb	Sep 2012	#124
A 14-year-old kid was raped by an ADULT man	obamanut2012	Sep 2012	#142
this -- and how much choice does a raped kid have	obamanut2012	Sep 2012	#141
Legally, it was her decision. No one could force her to keep or not keep the child.	antigone382	Sep 2012	#47
She made a choice and possibly was under pressure. How is that twisting or disgusting to acknowledge	uppityperson	Sep 2012	#104
This horrifying post is like a RW parody of liberal position	cthulu2016	Sep 2012	#11
No. Keeping the product of your rapist while justifying it as a "baby"	BlueCaliDem	Sep 2012	#18
WTF are you talking about? The "baby" doesn't need to be justified as anything.	cthulu2016	Sep 2012	#27
As a juror who voted to leave #18 alone, I completely agree with your criticism of it.	Jim Lane	Sep 2012	#35
Well, the TOS has this paragraph in it that might work in this instance.	MADem	Sep 2012	#60
Unless the baby appeared miraculously and fully developed	BlueCaliDem	Sep 2012	#71
Are you saying that this living breathing creature is not a baby?	NotThisTime	Sep 2012	#28
Ugh	BlueCaliDem	Sep 2012	#72
Hate Christians much?	TheMadMonk	Sep 2012	#170
How old was the fetus when she decided to not abort? Since you obviously know more than any of us.	uppityperson	Sep 2012	#172
So true n/t	ornotna	Sep 2012	#53
indeed n/t	fishwax	Sep 2012	#62
I was thinking the same. What a crude and heartless post.	Lilyeye	Sep 2012	#82
there is no dilema	dsc	Sep 2012	#13
Yeah, it's a dilemma and I know as much about this as you.	BlueCaliDem	Sep 2012	#24
You're pro-choice? I'm reading that you don't respect the choice of this young woman in your posts	MADem	Sep 2012	#31
Yeah. I'm pro-choice, not that it's any of your or anyone else's business.	BlueCaliDem	Sep 2012	#39
What does rapists having access to children have to do with responsibility?	antigone382	Sep 2012	#52
True. But the state has ensured it isn't the end of this story.	BlueCaliDem	Sep 2012	#70
If it's not anyone's business, then stay out of threads that discuss the topic, and don't make	MADem	Sep 2012	#57
You said what I was gonna say!	Tsiyu	Sep 2012	#64
Right. And MA's posts are all pink elephants and lemonade.	BlueCaliDem	Sep 2012	#73
You are more than welcome.	MADem	Sep 2012	#99
Wow. What an inclusive DUer you are.	BlueCaliDem	Sep 2012	#69
I don't have a problem with reading comprehension. You do. One of two things is happening here.	MADem	Sep 2012	#95
Naw. I'm articulating myself just fine.	BlueCaliDem	Sep 2012	#106
You carp about getting personal, and then you assume I have a "red haze" because	MADem	Sep 2012	#117
You say you've a 20 yr old. When you were pg did you call her your "product of sex"?	uppityperson	Sep 2012	#101
Nope. As a Christian, married for 11 years, and nearly 30, I called her my baby.	BlueCaliDem	Sep 2012	#108
And are you now projecting those feelings, emotions, thoughts, on to this 14 yr old? I see that is a	uppityperson	Sep 2012	#109
Please	BlueCaliDem	Sep 2012	#112
Lol. Now you're channeling Akin.	B2G	Sep 2012	#122
Your derision of this person is about you. This bit from the article counters your "not truly" rape	uppityperson	Sep 2012	#140
I can't follow your logic.	noamnety	Sep 2012	#163
Yup. That is it in a nutshell. Thank you. nt	uppityperson	Sep 2012	#165
Only Christians can be "truly" raped; others are just irresponsible hussy-sluts, right?	REP	Sep 2012	#131
.....	obamanut2012	Sep 2012	#143
So, according to you, there is 'rape rape', and then there is 'rape-esque' or 'rapeish' ?	stevenleser	Sep 2012	#152
And, nonconsensual rape where the victim is threatened isn't really rape	obamanut2012	Sep 2012	#159
Yes, and if you will excuse me, I need to unknot my brain after trying to follow that person's logic	stevenleser	Sep 2012	#160
I know -- I need an Excedrin	obamanut2012	Sep 2012	#161
A 20 yr old threatened, had sex with a14 yr old who's still very depressed.This isn't "truly" rape?	uppityperson	Sep 2012	#166
you're a Christian?	Zygoat	Sep 2012	#168
Do you feel better now? eom	BlueCaliDem	Sep 2012	#75
Once again,	xmas74	Sep 2012	#93
Why thank you! nt	MADem	Sep 2012	#97
BCD, you've been here way longer than my newb ass	M_M	Sep 2012	#63
most people of "faith" are of the "cafeteria" sort, and you are not the boss of this kid!	bettyellen	Sep 2012	#148
"Free ride?"	surrealAmerican	Sep 2012	#40
Why do you expect a child to think like an adult?	DevonRex	Sep 2012	#132
Your post makes DU seriously suck.	Starry Messenger	Sep 2012	#14
I have one. 20. I don't speak for her. I speak for myself	BlueCaliDem	Sep 2012	#19
"Traces" ugh.	Starry Messenger	Sep 2012	#23
Your need to remove the choice for and judge others on that choice is appalling. nt.	NCTraveler	Sep 2012	#30
??? Whut? eom	BlueCaliDem	Sep 2012	#34
The poster is saying that you are in effect saying the choice to give birth	Tsiyu	Sep 2012	#65
Then the poster	BlueCaliDem	Sep 2012	#74
your very first statement	Tsiyu	Sep 2012	#90
That doesn't invalidate her choice, and I did NOT claim such a thing.	BlueCaliDem	Sep 2012	#110
This message was self-deleted by its author	uppityperson	Sep 2012	#111
Nothing was misread. Maybe it was poorly written.	NCTraveler	Sep 2012	#129
+1.	MADem	Sep 2012	#119
100% agree with this	obamanut2012	Sep 2012	#146
Yeah. That's why it's called "choice".	Zoeisright	Sep 2012	#61
Yeah, choice.	BlueCaliDem	Sep 2012	#77
Your empathy and compassion for fellow rape victims is mindblowing	obamanut2012	Sep 2012	#144
+1,000,000! nt	MADem	Sep 2012	#58
What?	lapislzi	Sep 2012	#15
I know as much about this person as you do. Keep that in mind, will ya?	BlueCaliDem	Sep 2012	#32
Yes. When you choose to rape someone, that has consequences too.	lapislzi	Sep 2012	#38
Agree completely. Thank you for not making it personal or about me.	BlueCaliDem	Sep 2012	#43
Gotcha, and you're right.	lapislzi	Sep 2012	#86
"I know she made a conscious choice to keep the product of her rape" is the problem here. Not that	uppityperson	Sep 2012	#96
I didn't think I'd read any other posts on DU this week that could top the ones excusing	Bad_Ronald	Sep 2012	#17
Oh. Ok. So people believing others should take personal responsibility for their CHOICES	BlueCaliDem	Sep 2012	#26
No, the presumptuous, disdainful & haughty attitude you've shown towards this juvenile rape victim	Bad_Ronald	Sep 2012	#33
Why do you have to make it a personal thing? Did I take your lunch money in Jr High or something?	BlueCaliDem	Sep 2012	#45
OK, how about this?	antigone382	Sep 2012	#55
You're far more diplomatic than me	Tsiyu	Sep 2012	#66
True.	BlueCaliDem	Sep 2012	#78
I agree.	BlueCaliDem	Sep 2012	#76
If you agree, why are you bringing up her attitude about abortion?	antigone382	Sep 2012	#84
By your logic, there are no bad laws in the US	obamanut2012	Sep 2012	#149
how is your judgment not personal?	Zygoat	Sep 2012	#169
You have a deranged thought process. n/t	vaberella	Sep 2012	#36
To say the least!	etherealtruth	Sep 2012	#50
More personal attacks. Wow.	BlueCaliDem	Sep 2012	#79
It has nothing to do with feeling better. It's an observation.	vaberella	Sep 2012	#105
Riiiight. Just an observation.	BlueCaliDem	Sep 2012	#115
Yeah, I think the MA judge is full of shit and this was a bad decision	obamanut2012	Sep 2012	#150
You don't understand what a personal attack is, either.	MADem	Sep 2012	#118
I think you are making an unfair assumption	Still Sensible	Sep 2012	#37
It's not an assumption. It's based on the girl's own words:	BlueCaliDem	Sep 2012	#46
OMG	GObamaGO	Sep 2012	#54
Uh . . .	BlueCaliDem	Sep 2012	#80
She also claimed "He threatened me. He told me that he could make my life upside down, and I wouldn	uppityperson	Sep 2012	#98
Pro-choice is pro-choice. If she chose not to terminate her pregnancy, then that was her choice,	Arkansas Granny	Sep 2012	#87
What a fucking DISGUSTING post!	Odin2005	Sep 2012	#89
What a DISGUSTING response to it!	BlueCaliDem	Sep 2012	#103
I think you need to learn what Pro-CHOICE means.	Odin2005	Sep 2012	#123
This has gotta be performance art, right? The "Liberal" Todd Akin sketch? nt	msanthrope	Sep 2012	#92
It's called CHOICE.	Lisa D	Sep 2012	#100
Because she chose to not have an abortion, this means she should suffer the consequences of having	uppityperson	Sep 2012	#102
A Christian is supposed to forgive.	Hatchling	Sep 2012	#121
Are you frickin kidding me?	forthemiddle	Sep 2012	#134
That poster is not at all "pro abortion"	obamanut2012	Sep 2012	#151
This is one of those "You really ought to think about that a bit" kind of posts	stevenleser	Sep 2012	#136
Very first response in the thread's attacking a rape victim. Classy. (nt)	Posteritatis	Sep 2012	#137
Perhaps the most remarkable thing about your post, apart from its reprehensibility, is the fact	Bad_Ronald	Sep 2012	#147
+1000	Starry Messenger	Sep 2012	#155
This message was self-deleted by its author	Union Scribe	Sep 2012	#171
Were you born this much of an asshole, or did you have to take classes? n/t	backscatter712	Sep 2012	#173
excellent question! (nt)	Tumbulu	Sep 2012	#176
My goodness your post is so outrageous	Tumbulu	Sep 2012	#179
The legislature ought to pass a law which denies parental rights to rapists	meow2u3	Sep 2012	#2
Child support is not "part of the punishment."	Jim Lane	Sep 2012	#42
This YOUNG teenager is not raising that baby	HockeyMom	Sep 2012	#3
I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one.	HopeHoops	Sep 2012	#4
This girl was in MIDDLE SCHOOL	HockeyMom	Sep 2012	#5
I'll pull the "womens' rights card" on this one. She suffered the rape and it's her child.	HopeHoops	Sep 2012	#6
Well, I agree with you there	HockeyMom	Sep 2012	#10
No clue. Not one bit of it makes sense.	HopeHoops	Sep 2012	#21
Wait... what???	opiate69	Sep 2012	#12
If she and her parents decide to keep the child and work out child care while she is in school...	antigone382	Sep 2012	#9
Fine for you.	lapislzi	Sep 2012	#20
That's what I was thinking. Adoption is a choice, too.	Iris	Sep 2012	#22
I agree with you completely.	progressivebydesign	Sep 2012	#25
Me, too.	lapislzi	Sep 2012	#41
This message was self-deleted by its author	Bad_Ronald	Sep 2012	#8
The young woman's attitude toward abortion is irrelevant. What's relevant is the attempt by the	Monk06	Sep 2012	#48
+1000	orpupilofnature57	Sep 2012	#83
oh hell NO!	robinlynne	Sep 2012	#49
+1000	Liberal_in_LA	Sep 2012	#51
The minute someone acknowledges a parent and asks for money/child support, it opens the door.	cr8tvlde	Sep 2012	#56
The law should deal more clearly with the issue of rape, then.	antigone382	Sep 2012	#85
I don't know about all state law, but I'm pretty sure that in Arkansas child support	Arkansas Granny	Sep 2012	#88
It is here, too	obamanut2012	Sep 2012	#153
Then our legislatures are protecting rapists	Tsiyu	Sep 2012	#91
rape... does not open the door for shit with rights. nt	seabeyond	Sep 2012	#94
Someone upthread said it..with financial responsibility come rights. Plain and simple. It's the law	cr8tvlde	Sep 2012	#127
i disagree. and all states should have laws, convicted of rape, pay financial restitution	seabeyond	Sep 2012	#130
It is not the law in every state	obamanut2012	Sep 2012	#154
If she was applying for any state aid, they had no choice.	knitter4democracy	Sep 2012	#174
Do all rapists have this right or is it specific to statutory rape?	dkf	Sep 2012	#67
The right to castration, and I'm a Liberal.	orpupilofnature57	Sep 2012	#81
This isn't going to be popular, but I disagree with the use of the term "rapist" for this guy.	Xithras	Sep 2012	#114
He threatened her	muriel_volestrangler	Sep 2012	#120
So this isn't 'legitmate' rape??	B2G	Sep 2012	#126
You blew it. The rapist had a consensual relationship with the victim's SISTER	CreekDog	Sep 2012	#128
It was -- and is -- rape	obamanut2012	Sep 2012	#156
This is one of the worst threads I've seen at DU	gollygee	Sep 2012	#133
Seriously. These threads usually draw out MRAs and victim blamers, but wow. (nt)	Posteritatis	Sep 2012	#138
Outrage and PC on DU does not substitute for common sense, legal realities,before or after the fact.	cr8tvlde	Sep 2012	#139
An adult man threatened a 14-year-old girl and raped her	obamanut2012	Sep 2012	#157
Read the article again.	knitter4democracy	Sep 2012	#175
Some of the posts in this thread make me wonder what site I'm on.	NYC Liberal	Sep 2012	#145
agreed!!!! nt	Tumbulu	Sep 2012	#181
This thread is just disgusting	obamanut2012	Sep 2012	#158
this thread disgusts	lost-in-nj	Sep 2012	#164
Is it in the child's best interest to establish a relationship with...	Deep13	Sep 2012	#177
This is something ALL states need to address	TexasBushwhacker	Sep 2012	#178

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