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HiPointDem

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99. You said, & I quote: Some of them that are taking some very specific and original ways of doing
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 08:50 PM
Sep 2012

things..."

to which i replied, there's *nothing* charters do that is very specific or original.

to which you said: "what about language immersions charters?"

upon which i pointed you to the history of language immersion programs in the public schools & an elementary program in a district very near me.

which you completely ignore while returning to your "some charters are nice, good, non-profit, why can't you understand"? spiel.

got another 'innovation'?

i understand very well that some charters are nice, good, & truly nonprofit, not wanting to destroy public ed just wanting their own little school.

to me that fact pales in the face of the bigger picture, which is that those 'nice' little charters were just the opening wedge in an all-out assault on public education.

and when it comes down to brass tacks, those 'nice' little independent charters & their supporters stand with the larger charter movement against public schools.

I repeat: Charter schools have no 'innovations'. They have a lot of money & a lot of windy talk.

deregulated schooling is a big fail but a great profit center on the government dime HiPointDem Sep 2012 #1
Where have they been deregulated? ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #8
they're being deregulated everywhere, as we speak. deregulation has never, anywhere, meant HiPointDem Sep 2012 #14
Yours is a unique usage of the term "deregulation" ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #26
And a unique usage of the term "neglige" nt wtmusic Sep 2012 #48
french transfer "negliger" to neglect via 19th-century novels. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #83
Ah, excuse my gaucherie. wtmusic Sep 2012 #86
i figured...:>) HiPointDem Sep 2012 #96
That's what charter schools are. proud2BlibKansan Sep 2012 #51
Depends what state you are in ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #87
deregulated schooling??? MAUREENH60 Sep 2012 #81
Not in Rhode Island hack89 Sep 2012 #2
they're still not on equal footing doomcupcake Sep 2012 #4
That issue is addressed in RI law hack89 Sep 2012 #6
We have the same regs in the state where I teach proud2BlibKansan Sep 2012 #52
We have stricter oversight in RI hack89 Sep 2012 #58
Democrats wrote the charter laws here proud2BlibKansan Sep 2012 #63
Since you are so familiar with RI law, perhaps you can point out specific weak areas? nt hack89 Sep 2012 #69
No more familiar than you are with MO politics. proud2BlibKansan Sep 2012 #101
But I have not commented on MO policies. nt hack89 Sep 2012 #103
But they can accept the best students in that district and not accept Auntie Bush Sep 2012 #64
Against the law in RI hack89 Sep 2012 #71
Some public schools have admissions processes and other hoops as well ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #10
People REALLY need to understand this!!!! lunasun Sep 2012 #12
HOW TRUE secondwind Sep 2012 #27
and now you have achievement first, and you'll pay for the school buildings that *they'll* own. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #9
They lease presently shuttered school buildings hack89 Sep 2012 #15
uh-huh. well, we'll see who winds up owning them. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #16
They were a liability to the taxpayers hack89 Sep 2012 #20
uh-huh. a terrible liability, i'm sure. the schools that are emptied to fill achievement first's HiPointDem Sep 2012 #21
Ok - we like charter schools. They work. nt hack89 Sep 2012 #32
They work...better. For now. wtmusic Sep 2012 #35
In RI at least, there is no relationship between spending and student achievement hack89 Sep 2012 #37
Improving public investment doesn't necessarily mean more money. wtmusic Sep 2012 #45
like i said, show me the data. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #56
Here are the RI school reports for every school and every district. hack89 Sep 2012 #59
i don't see any way to compare charters v. non-charters within districts or states, nor over time. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #66
When I Google "RI charter schools" this is what I got hack89 Sep 2012 #68
as you say RI charters are better than other RI schools & have improved outcomes for HiPointDem Sep 2012 #70
I think we have reached the point where the spoon feeding ends hack89 Sep 2012 #73
I'm seriously not trying to be difficult. But I would like to know what the official analysis says HiPointDem Sep 2012 #76
The system is broken b/c the powers that be intentionally starve the schools so they Dustlawyer Sep 2012 #36
No - Providence has some of the highest per student spending in the state. hack89 Sep 2012 #38
uh, yes, so the PR says in every state in the union. but when you actually look into the numbers, HiPointDem Sep 2012 #43
If you say so. nt hack89 Sep 2012 #46
show me the data for RI. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #49
Sure hack89 Sep 2012 #53
So since i don't know much about RI, i'm comparing the one city/district i do know a bit about HiPointDem Sep 2012 #100
Yep. That's what they say about the schools where I teach also. proud2BlibKansan Sep 2012 #54
This message was self-deleted by its author hack89 Sep 2012 #55
Do the Charter schools take any child that show up at their doors? bluestate10 Sep 2012 #31
Pretty much. hack89 Sep 2012 #33
And how are the remaining 20% of students in the district served by this arrangement? nt wtmusic Sep 2012 #40
That number was just a hypothetical hack89 Sep 2012 #47
Many of them are the public school Phentex Sep 2012 #42
I'm kind of shocked to read that they do *worse* than traditional public schools. reformist2 Sep 2012 #3
some do far worse; some do far better zazen Sep 2012 #5
The Effect of Creaming oldsarge54 Sep 2012 #23
Not in every state hack89 Sep 2012 #7
i think you better do some reading. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #13
In RI the charter schools do as well as public schools. hack89 Sep 2012 #17
The results are dramatically mixed ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #11
there's not a goddamn thing any charter does that's "very specific" or "original". HiPointDem Sep 2012 #18
What about language immersion charters? ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #24
omg, language immersion! earth-shattering revolution! unprecedented! why didn't anyone HiPointDem Sep 2012 #41
You continue to ignore and denigrate the niche charter school ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #88
you said charters were doing all these innovative things. charters are a trojan horse *designed* HiPointDem Sep 2012 #95
I said niche charters were doing innovative things and addressing things the mainline schools cannot ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #98
You said, & I quote: Some of them that are taking some very specific and original ways of doing HiPointDem Sep 2012 #99
K & R! lonestarnot Sep 2012 #19
Vouchers are NOT charter schools. fasttense Sep 2012 #22
Are charters not turning our nation's wealth over to corporations as well? nt wtmusic Sep 2012 #34
Don't assess teachers after they're hired? wtmusic Sep 2012 #25
Comprehension. It matters. proud2BlibKansan Sep 2012 #57
Not nearly as much as comprehensibility. wtmusic Sep 2012 #61
Do you understand the difference between assess and evaluate? proud2BlibKansan Sep 2012 #62
Of course. And OP is not using it in the educational context. nt wtmusic Sep 2012 #65
The OP isn't addressing evaluation proud2BlibKansan Sep 2012 #72
OP is using "assessment" as a synonym for "evaluation" wtmusic Sep 2012 #75
No it's not. proud2BlibKansan Sep 2012 #102
"Assessment of Teachers? Before Hiring, Not After." wtmusic Sep 2012 #104
k&r Starry Messenger Sep 2012 #28
As long as public schools have to take any child that shows up at their doors, bluestate10 Sep 2012 #29
How much of the "tax avoided" is really just a timing item (i.e. bonus depreciation). joeglow3 Sep 2012 #30
re:Now We Know Our ABCs. And Charter Schools Get an F. allan01 Sep 2012 #39
In GA, I can't say all... Phentex Sep 2012 #44
Not all charter schools are a failure LynneSin Sep 2012 #50
Nationwide, 17% have been successful. proud2BlibKansan Sep 2012 #60
That high? LynneSin Sep 2012 #67
That's a national average proud2BlibKansan Sep 2012 #74
Two thirds of the charters schools in that study were the equal or better than public schools hack89 Sep 2012 #90
Do you have a reference on that? BlueStreak Sep 2012 #77
stanford credo study HiPointDem Sep 2012 #78
Here's a link BlueStreak Sep 2012 #79
You misread the report. It says 17% are superior to public schools hack89 Sep 2012 #89
I didn't misread anything proud2BlibKansan Sep 2012 #91
So public schools are not a good standard by which to judge a successful school? hack89 Sep 2012 #92
Spending more money to get the same result is a success to you? girl gone mad Sep 2012 #94
In RI they don't cost more hack89 Sep 2012 #97
Sure, they may admit students based on a lottery, but do they have to keep them? KSstellarcat Sep 2012 #80
charter schools MAUREENH60 Sep 2012 #82
Yet they are required by law to take these kids proud2BlibKansan Sep 2012 #84
Not when charters are legally considered considered public schools hack89 Sep 2012 #85
Sorry, but your post does not state the grounds on which a student can be removed from a charter. KSstellarcat Sep 2012 #93
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